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Postby Potted Plants United » Sun Aug 25, 2013 3:59 pm

A large potted plant in a big plantpot with wheels suddenly comes to life, revealing a large leaf curled up to form a cone, from which a somewhat hissing voice can be heard:

"We have given this repeal some serious thought and have found it lacking, as pointed out below."

Saveyou Island wrote:NOTING that nations may have a large quantity of dialects.

REALIZING such nations would be unable to record all languages.

"As others have already mentioned, a dialect is not a language. Some dialects may be difficult to understand, but if they are different enough, wouldn't they already have official language status in the nation in question?"

NOTING that nations may have cultural boundaries preventing languages to be recorded

"We do not quite understand how a cultural boundary would prevent language recording. We can understand how a physical boundary might prevent that, as we ourselves do not as such have a language with which to communicate. We do not need it. What one knows, all know. That, however, is not a cultural boundary. Perhaps the author can be a bit more specific as to what they mean here?"

SADDENED that nations may have to interfere with a local dialect to create a written language.

"Again, a dialect is not a language. Also, how would creating a written language interfere with a local dialect?"

ACKNOWLEDGING that some languages have an overwhelming amount of notable works of literature which have yet to be recorded, and recording these works is a task which may take many years of research.

FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGING that the term "notable works" used in the resolution is a vague term, as the resolution does not clearly state what makes a work of literature "notable".

"The very definition of literature means it's written down. We think you mean oral tradition instead, but then that wouldn't count as literature."

REALIZING that there are billions of languages used throughout all nations, and recording data for each one would be far too time-consuming and overwhelming for nations.

"Oddly enough the WA resolutions somehow end up in an understandable form for all the WA nations already."
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Postby Saveyou Island » Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:02 pm

Revised, please check out the current revision of the repeal.
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Postby The Last Homely House » Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:32 pm

Description: WA General Assembly resolution #243: "Language Preservation" shall be struck out and rendered null and void

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The World Assembly,

UNDERSTANDING the goal of resolution #243, which is to preserve languages,

NOTING that nations may have a large quantity of languages,

REALIZING such nations may be unable to record all languages,

SADDENED nations are required to interfere with languages lacking an alphabet, which may alter the language,

ACKNOWLEDGING that some languages have an overwhelming amount of notable works of literature which have yet to be recorded, and recording these works is a task which may take many years of research,

FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGING that the term "notable works" used in the resolution is a vague term, as the resolution does not clearly state what makes a work of literature "notable",

REALIZING that there are billions of languages used throughout all nations, and recording data for each one would be far too time-consuming and overwhelming for nations and the International Language Research Center,

BELIEVING the International Language Research Center is not needed to record the billions of languages,

HEREBY repeals GA #243

Co-Authored by The Last Homely House


This is a great thing and I am so glad this could go the distance.

I still think we should include some or all of the following things in red.
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Postby Saveyou Island » Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:49 pm

The Last Homely House wrote:
Description: WA General Assembly resolution #243: "Language Preservation" shall be struck out and rendered null and void

Argument
The World Assembly,

UNDERSTANDING the goal of resolution #243, which is to preserve languages,

NOTING that nations may have a large quantity of languages,

REALIZING such nations may be unable to record all languages,

SADDENED nations are required to interfere with languages lacking an alphabet, which may alter the language,

ACKNOWLEDGING that some languages have an overwhelming amount of notable works of literature which have yet to be recorded, and recording these works is a task which may take many years of research,

FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGING that the term "notable works" used in the resolution is a vague term, as the resolution does not clearly state what makes a work of literature "notable",

REALIZING that there are billions of languages used throughout all nations, and recording data for each one would be far too time-consuming and overwhelming for nations and the International Language Research Center,

BELIEVING the International Language Research Center is not needed to record the billions of languages,

HEREBY repeals GA #243

Co-Authored by The Last Homely House


This is a great thing and I am so glad this could go the distance.

I still think we should include some or all of the following things in red.


Revised.
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Postby The Akashic Records » Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:15 pm

Coleman sighed, took out his pen, and scribbled on the draft before returning it to the author. Browsing through the debate transcripts, he wondered if the authoring delegates had a problem with reading comprehension, as they have been repeatedly told the same thing multiple times.
Saveyou Island wrote:
UNDERSTANDING the goal of resolution #243, which is to preserve languages,
No, you don't. If you did, you wouldn't try to repeal it.

NOTING that nations may have a large quantity of languages,

REALIZING such nations may be unable to record all languages,
This is sort of why we have the International Language Research Centre. Their job is to record these languages, over the years. The nerve some legislators have.

SADDENED nations are required to interfere with languages lacking an alphabet, which may alter the language
How does one interfere when working with natives to make sense of something?

ACKNOWLEDGING that some languages have an overwhelming amount of notable works of literature which have yet to be recorded, and recording these works is a task which may take many years of research,
See above.

FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGING that the term "notable works" used in the resolution is a vague term, as the resolution does not clearly state what makes a work of literature "notable",
Now you're just being nitpicky. The word notable itself is sufficient. Whatever is worthy of notice, or at the very least, prevalent, is notable. Or does the good ambassadors think that a nation or the people speaking those languages are incapable of distinguishing what works of literature matter enough so as to warrant attention?[/i]

REALIZING that there are billions of languages used throughout all nations, and recording data for each one would be far too time-consuming and overwhelming for nations, and the International Language Research Center,
See above point about research. On another note, should we abandon something worthwhile such as preserving culture, simply because it takes too much time?

BELIEVING the International Language Research Center is not needed to record the billions of languages,
No, it's the Universal Library Coalition that does that. Read. The. Resolution. Please.
"We would suggest that the ambassadors find better arguments, or maybe kill it with fire, as Miss Leveret oft quipped. Contrary to popular belief, other languages matter too, even if one does not care for their culture, or wish to understand them, because there are those that do."
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Postby Saveyou Island » Tue Aug 27, 2013 1:21 pm

UNDERSTANDING the goal of resolution #243, which is to preserve languages,
No, you don't. If you did, you wouldn't try to repeal it.

What I'm trying to say here is that this repeal understands that GA243 is an attempt to preserve languages.

REALIZING such nations may be unable to record all languages,
This is sort of why we have the International Language Research Centre. Their job is to record these languages, over the years. The nerve some legislators have.

Even with the ILRC this still could be an overwhelming task.

SADDENED nations are required to interfere with languages lacking an alphabet, which may alter the language
How does one interfere when working with natives to make sense of something?

Easy. They change the language, even if natives would not like to do so.

FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGING that the term "notable works" used in the resolution is a vague term, as the resolution does not clearly state what makes a work of literature "notable",
Now you're just being nitpicky. The word notable itself is sufficient. Whatever is worthy of notice, or at the very least, prevalent, is notable. Or does the good ambassadors think that a nation or the people speaking those languages are incapable of distinguishing what works of literature matter enough so as to warrant attention?

Notable isn't sufficient. Award winning? Religious? By authors who have won awards? The resolution doesn't say what must be recorded.

REALIZING that there are billions of languages used throughout all nations, and recording data for each one would be far too time-consuming and overwhelming for nations, and the International Language Research Center,
See above point about research. On another note, should we abandon something worthwhile such as preserving culture, simply because it takes too much time?

There are other ways of preserving languages. But this isn't it.
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Postby The Akashic Records » Tue Aug 27, 2013 4:21 pm

Saveyou Island wrote:Even with the ILRC this still could be an overwhelming task.
I'm not sure if your reading comprehension skills are sufficient, but I'll entertain you nonetheless. Nations, conduct surveys. Nations, store those information in the Universal Library Coalition, where not only the ILRC will be able to see and research it, but every other member nations, as well as some non-members who joined the ULC. Now, tell me ambassador, with that many cooperation, is it still impossible for the research to be carried out?

Saveyou Island wrote:Easy. They change the language, even if natives would not like to do so.
To an extent, they do some changes to make it more intelligible, but for the most part, if the natives don't agree, they are to return to the drawing board, and work together with the natives to come to an agreement on what level of change is acceptable. In case the ambassador have been living in a cave for the past few years, here's something to think about. We're sorry we couldn't find better resources, we're a little pressed for time at the moment, and this should suffice for the current argument. Long story short, languages change as it is used. We're not sure if the acceleration can't be offset by the preservation effort.

Saveyou Island wrote:Notable isn't sufficient. Award winning? Religious? By authors who have won awards? The resolution doesn't say what must be recorded.
And rightly so, ambassador. They are letting the natives and nations decide what they consider as notable works, because, who better to know what's notable and what's not, other than themselves? As a side note, you've mentioned everything that is included in the notable works category, which is to be included in the research data and archived information.

Saveyou Island wrote:There are other ways of preserving languages. But this isn't it.
Mind sharing those methods, or are those hot air?
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Postby The Last Homely House » Tue Aug 27, 2013 5:50 pm

I'm not sure if your reading comprehension skills are sufficient, but I'll entertain you nonetheless. Nations, conduct surveys. Nations, store those information in the Universal Library Coalition, where not only the ILRC will be able to see and research it, but every other member nations, as well as some non-members who joined the ULC. Now, tell me ambassador, with that many cooperation, is it still impossible for the research to be carried out?

Actually, yes it still is practically impossible to carry out some of this research. Even if every single member nation was responsible for the polling in their own nation and even had help from the ILRC, that still may not be enough to do some of this stuff. Let me give you an example. Lets just say that there was a nation with a population divided into hundreds of small tribes through out the nation. There will be small regions that contain maybe 10 tribes in which all the tribes speak similar languages, but there could still be a hundred languages easily in this one nation. Do you think that this said nation and the ILRC can get every single language recorded (probably a lot of them won't have alphabets, so there is even more time) and all the works of each tribe written down? NO! Anyone in their sane mind would figure out that it is not possible.

To an extent, they do some changes to make it more intelligible, but for the most part, if the natives don't agree, they are to return to the drawing board, and work together with the natives to come to an agreement on what level of change is acceptable. In case the ambassador have been living in a cave for the past few years, here's something to think about. We're sorry we couldn't find better resources, we're a little pressed for time at the moment, and this should suffice for the current argument. Long story short, languages change as it is used. We're not sure if the acceleration can't be offset by the preservation effort.

Do you think natives are ever going to agree to you jumping in and changing their language with a snap of the fingers. I highly doubt they will let you touch their language. I doubt that they would ever find an acceptable alphabet. Even if they allow you to put in an alphabet, do you think all the natives will sit down and learn it? You would be lucky if one person bothered to learn it. Even if you force a language upon them, they probably won't actually adopt it, so have fun trying to write down all their works! You can try to make it more intelligible, but lets just say this: You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink (that expression goes something like that, right? I'm blanking at the moment).

Further more, you say the language changes as it is used. The natives, who are the ones who actually speak it, don't use it that way. They use it for oral communications. They have no need nor want for a written language. Yes, language will change as it is used. But you can't force that change.

And rightly so, ambassador. They are letting the natives and nations decide what they consider as notable works, because, who better to know what's notable and what's not, other than themselves? As a side note, you've mentioned everything that is included in the notable works category, which is to be included in the research data and archived information.

Who do you ask what works are noteworthy? Ask a huge romanticist and they can give you a list of works. Ask a sci-phi geek and they will give you a list of works. Ask an author and they will give you a list of works (with their works on it). None of these lists will be the same! Why? Because noteworthy is different to everyone. It is extremely vague, as this example shows. You can ask the people and they could probably list every work that has been written. Why? Because different things are noteworthy to different people. I would say a book like Jennifer Government is noteworthy. Try asking a romanticist. They will be saying "What book? Thats not noteworthy!"

Mind sharing those methods, or are those hot air?

Here is a thought: (although I am not sure what Saveyou Island was thinking about when he said it, it could be very different from me and a lot better, this is just off the top of my head) You deliver a recording device to selected people in each culture and a pad of paper if they have an alphabet. They record them saying the alphabet and saying stuff. A week later, a representative sweeps around to everywhere they dropped off recorders and picked them up. Two weeks, tops. A nation is done.

Again, this is just how I interpreted things. Saveyou Island might have some better ideas than I do.
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Postby The Akashic Records » Tue Aug 27, 2013 7:35 pm

The Last Homely House wrote:Actually, yes it still is practically impossible to carry out some of this research. Even if every single member nation was responsible for the polling in their own nation and even had help from the ILRC, that still may not be enough to do some of this stuff. Let me give you an example. Lets just say that there was a nation with a population divided into hundreds of small tribes through out the nation. There will be small regions that contain maybe 10 tribes in which all the tribes speak similar languages, but there could still be a hundred languages easily in this one nation. Do you think that this said nation and the ILRC can get every single language recorded (probably a lot of them won't have alphabets, so there is even more time) and all the works of each tribe written down? NO! Anyone in their sane mind would figure out that it is not possible.
Now I'm convinced that the authoring delegates have been living under a rock for the past few decades. Here is another good example of this effort, in that game Real LifeTM. One man. One man, using the collaborative power of the internet, have done this much. Again, I ask you, how impossible is this task? I also have a character in that game who lives in a country called Malaysia, where they speak 137 living languages, and my character is proficient in around 4 languages. Tell me the impossibility of your laziness again.

The Last Homely House wrote:Do you think natives are ever going to agree to you jumping in and changing their language with a snap of the fingers. I highly doubt they will let you touch their language. I doubt that they would ever find an acceptable alphabet. Even if they allow you to put in an alphabet, do you think all the natives will sit down and learn it? You would be lucky if one person bothered to learn it. Even if you force a language upon them, they probably won't actually adopt it, so have fun trying to write down all their works! You can try to make it more intelligible, but lets just say this: You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink (that expression goes something like that, right? I'm blanking at the moment).

Further more, you say the language changes as it is used. The natives, who are the ones who actually speak it, don't use it that way. They use it for oral communications. They have no need nor want for a written language. Yes, language will change as it is used. But you can't force that change.
Ahahahahahahahaha...ha...ha...ha. *Ahem*. Again, in Malaysia, my character speaks the Iban language, and they have actually invented their own alphabets. The inventor of said alphabet never went to school, yet he had managed to engineer his own mini-dam to simplify his work, but that's going off tangent. The Iban language currently have 16 consonants, and 43 vocal clusters, and here's where you can read more, though, you might have to use a translator for that.

The Last Homely House wrote:Who do you ask what works are noteworthy? Ask a huge romanticist and they can give you a list of works. Ask a sci-phi geek and they will give you a list of works. Ask an author and they will give you a list of works (with their works on it). None of these lists will be the same! Why? Because noteworthy is different to everyone. It is extremely vague, as this example shows. You can ask the people and they could probably list every work that has been written. Why? Because different things are noteworthy to different people. I would say a book like Jennifer Government is noteworthy. Try asking a romanticist. They will be saying "What book? Thats not noteworthy!"
And what does that have anything to do with notable works from different languages? It is the literature in that particular language that matters, not translated works. Does the WA have to tell you every single fu-- I mean thing your nations must do? Also, sci-fi, as in, science fiction.

The Last Homely House wrote:Here is a thought: (although I am not sure what Saveyou Island was thinking about when he said it, it could be very different from me and a lot better, this is just off the top of my head) You deliver a recording device to selected people in each culture and a pad of paper if they have an alphabet. They record them saying the alphabet and saying stuff. A week later, a representative sweeps around to everywhere they dropped off recorders and picked them up. Two weeks, tops. A nation is done.

Again, this is just how I interpreted things. Saveyou Island might have some better ideas than I do.
The methodology you're talking about is actually just part of what GAR #243 does. Go educate yourself on how research is conducted.

Yes. I actually live in Malaysia. Yes, I actually am proficient in 4 languages; Malay (two dialects), Iban (two dialects), English, Bidayuh, and am currently learning Japanese. Yes, I know there are people proficient in around 20+ languages, but if a single person can analyse that many languages,what makes you think the experts in this game, who are hyper-competent, can't? At least make it more interesting, rather than being lazy by saying "it's impossible IRL, so it's impossible here."
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Postby Valendia » Tue Aug 27, 2013 9:18 pm

Saveyou Island wrote:What I'm trying to say here is that this repeal understands that GA243 is an attempt to preserve languages.

Even with the ILRC this still could be an overwhelming task.

Easy. They change the language, even if natives would not like to do so.

Notable isn't sufficient. Award winning? Religious? By authors who have won awards? The resolution doesn't say what must be recorded.

There are other ways of preserving languages. But this isn't it.


The Valendian delegate rolls his eyes as he listens to the onslaught of misinformed statements.

"The honorable delegate of Saveyou Island has quite noticeably ignored several rather pertinent points that were brought up by myself and other delegates; namely this persistence over the debate of recording "notable" works of literature as being an impossibility despite the fact that if it is a work of literature then it is already recorded by definition.

Secondly, this business of "changing the language" is also fallacious since it is entirely possible to devise a script for a language without altering the language in that state. (OOC: Examples of this include the creation of the Cyrillic script for the Slavic languages by Saints Cyril and Methodius, as well as the creation of the Cherokee Syllabary by Sequoyah.) While historically there might be mistakes in translation this is more a question of linguistic competence and not something endemic to the field.

And again, would the right honorable delegate care to elaborate on other ways of preserving languages since a script is by far the most efficient and lasting mode?"
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Postby The Akashic Records » Tue Aug 27, 2013 11:02 pm

Coleman looked at the ambassador of Valendia, and said "We think what the authoring delegates meant by recorded is the act of admitting those works of literature into the ULC, which, is by no means difficult, since it is already in a recorded form. They are referring to how difficult it is to pick which ones to be considered for submission, which, again, is by no means a difficult feat. Hopefully, this draft can be killed with incendiaries."
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"The Queendom requests a source for the claim that there are billions of languages spoken natively in the 17,000 member states", demanded Lord Raekevik. "We seriously doubt that. One billion languages would mean that an average of around 58,800 languages would be spoken in a single member state. While there are some incredibly vast and populous member states that may include astronomical numbers of languages, we would assert that the vast majority of member states have much fewer languages spoken natively."

(OOC: If we estimate that there are about 6,000 languages spoken in the around 200 nations on Earth, that's an average of 30 languages per nation. For 17,000 nations, that would be a total of 510,000 languages. Since NS isn't RL, the 17,000 member states could have people native in a lot more languages, but going from half a million to billions looks like a gross exaggeration.)
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Postby Saveyou Island » Wed Aug 28, 2013 3:55 pm

Added 2 new clauses:
"CONVINCED that some cultures would not like their languages to be recorded, for it is sacred to them and any interference made by the government would cause them to believe that their holy God to set a large parade of fireballs down on their tribe,"

"FURTHER CONVINCED that nations with no ability to speak any language whatsoever would be unable to meet the requirements of this resolution"
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Postby Valendia » Wed Aug 28, 2013 4:59 pm

Saveyou Island wrote:Added 2 new clauses:
"CONVINCED that some cultures would not like their languages to be recorded, for it is sacred to them and any interference made by the government would cause them to believe that their holy God to set a large parade of fireballs down on their tribe,"

"FURTHER CONVINCED that nations with no ability to speak any language whatsoever would be unable to meet the requirements of this resolution"


The Valendian delegate pinches the bridge of his nose, gesturing to one of his aides for another glass of scotch.

"I am beginning to think the delegate from Saveyou Island no longer takes this proposal particularly seriously."
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Postby Saveyou Island » Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:08 pm

Valendia wrote:
Saveyou Island wrote:Added 2 new clauses:
"CONVINCED that some cultures would not like their languages to be recorded, for it is sacred to them and any interference made by the government would cause them to believe that their holy God to set a large parade of fireballs down on their tribe,"

"FURTHER CONVINCED that nations with no ability to speak any language whatsoever would be unable to meet the requirements of this resolution"


The Valendian delegate pinches the bridge of his nose, gesturing to one of his aides for another glass of scotch.

"I am beginning to think the delegate from Saveyou Island no longer takes this proposal particularly seriously."

I do take this proposal seriously. My point is that members of a particular culutre may not want their language to be interfered of by the government.
And that certain nations may be entirely made up of members who can't speak.
I have now edited the "god fire parade ball" part.
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Postby Valendia » Wed Aug 28, 2013 5:29 pm

Saveyou Island wrote:I do take this proposal seriously. My point is that members of a particular culutre may not want their language to be interfered of by the government.
And that certain nations may be entirely made up of members who can't speak.
I have now edited the "god fire parade ball" part.


"And the contrary point is that what 'a particular culture' may want is irrelevant since as members of the society they are in the vast majority of cases required to obey the laws of that society, including submitting their language for preservation under the auspices of the act. Furthermore, said nations that 'cannot speak' constitute such an extreme, infinitesimal minority that they are scarcely worth mentioning. And again; please do iterate the 'alternative' solutions to recording in writing.

The repeal of a resolution should only be done, ideally, if it can be demonstrated that the repeal causes detriment disproportionate to the benefit it provides. Given that GA#243 by and large accomplishes to a good degree what it sets out to do, the preservation of endangered languages, and that you have failed to provide any concrete reasoning as to why the resolution would detrimental out of less than a percent of cases, Valendia will continue to regard this repeal as unnecessary."
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Postby The Akashic Records » Wed Aug 28, 2013 10:43 pm

Coleman noticed that the draft had gotten more nonsensical than the last, and even after Lord Raekevik and the Valendian delegate had provided their valuable input, the draft held nothing of the sort of improvement that he had expected to see, not that he expected much. Scribbling on the draft.
Saveyou Island wrote:NOTING that nations may have a large quantity of languages,

REALIZING such nations may be unable to record all languages,
How daft can you be? Did Lord Raekevik not help you see how false these statements are?

SADDENED nations are required to interfere with languages lacking an alphabet, which may alter the language
Read the Valendian delegate's point on creating alphabets.

CONVINCED that some cultures would not like their languages to be recorded, for it is sacred to them and any interference made by the government would go against their beliefs,
What is this, I don't even...

FURTHER CONVINCED that nations with no ability to speak whatsoever would be unable to meet the requirements of this resolution, for valid reasons,
Now, now, if they can't speak, there wouldn't be much of a language to preserve, now is there? Body language can be documented by pictures, mind you.

ACKNOWLEDGING that some languages have an overwhelming amount of notable works of literature which have yet to be recorded, and recording these works is a task which may take many years of research,
See the PPU and Valendian delegate's point.

FURTHER ACKNOWLEDGING that the term "notable works" used in the resolution is a vague term, as the resolution does not clearly state what makes a work of literature "notable",
Then use it in the general sense of the word. Do we have to define every single word in a resolution?

REALIZING that there are billions of languages used throughout all nations, and recording data for each one would be far too time-consuming and overwhelming for nations, and the International Language Research Center,
See Lord Raekevik's point.

BELIEVING the International Language Research Center is not needed to record the billions of languages,
No, they're not the ones recording the languages, they're the ones researching it. The ULC does the recording of the data.
Coleman returned to snipping papers for fun.
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Postby The Last Homely House » Thu Aug 29, 2013 12:22 pm

I see all the negative feedback from everyone and that has gotten me wondering, why do we have all this pointless legislation?

We have so many bills that have mild effect and do very little, but focus on one tiny little pixel on a screen. Look at the big picture. Some of this specific, tiny legislation doesn't do us any good. That is why we need to start looking at it as a whole and realize that we cannot go on as making tiny proposals. If we are to make the world perfect by passing all of this legislation, we need to look at the big picture and take out some of this stuff. Its just fluff. We are not going to get anywhere if we keep the fluff. We need to strip done to the bones and get dirty! If you keep focusing on this stuff, you can't focus on the greater things. The things that have a significant impact and will truly give the NS world something new!

I think this is the best way to express the ideas that we in Mordor have talked about for a little bit. We want to be the people who make NS a good place, just like all of you. This is how we think it should be. I know many of you don't agree, but just think about it for a minute. We have 149 current pieces of legislation that actually do something. How many of those address something really important in the world, like third world nations. Getting people food. Giving people lives. Maybe 75 of them. The rest probably address obscure topics, like oil trucks or a news reporter or writing down a language. These things don't matter near as much as some of this other stuff. Unless we can first perfect the big things, we can't keep the pieces of fluff. They don't belong right now. They belong when we have fit the pieces of the big picture together. Then we can go back in and fill the cracks.
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Postby The Akashic Records » Thu Aug 29, 2013 3:25 pm

Ambassador, if you actually do have all these supposed solutions that you are talking about, then bring them here for scrutiny. I'm not saying that you should bring all 149 of them, I'm saying, let's see what it is that is supposedly better than what the current legislations have. There is a lot of good done by all this fluff that you are talking about, barring a few, and you want to strip them down because they aren't doing enough? Show us what is doing enough, and we'll tell you how much more focused you need to be in order for legislations to be effective.

EDIT: A good pixel density makes for a better picture.
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Postby The Great Leap Forward » Fri Aug 30, 2013 1:41 am

Comrades!

The preservation of archaic dialects harms communication between the masses and supports the feudal order of oppression. The People's Tongue promotes the mass line and the raising of class consciousness, therefore, the preservation of unnecessary dialects is the preservation of the imperialist bourgeoisie.

All cadres must support efforts to break down the so-called "Language Preservation" laws of the imperialist World Assembly, and so eradicate the incorrect use of dialect and Old Thought. Strive diligently to promote the People's Tongue and endeavor passionately to promote the mobilization of the masses!

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Postby Bears Armed » Fri Aug 30, 2013 10:15 am

The Great Leap Forward wrote:Comrades!

The preservation of archaic dialects harms communication between the masses and supports the feudal order of oppression. The People's Tongue promotes the mass line and the raising of class consciousness, therefore, the preservation of unnecessary dialects is the preservation of the imperialist bourgeoisie.

All cadres must support efforts to break down the so-called "Language Preservation" laws of the imperialist World Assembly, and so eradicate the incorrect use of dialect and Old Thought. Strive diligently to promote the People's Tongue and endeavor passionately to promote the mobilization of the masses!

Let's start by not preserving that form of language. :p
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Postby The Great Leap Forward » Fri Aug 30, 2013 4:21 pm

Capitalist-roader! Report directly for reform through labor!

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Postby The Remean Lordship » Fri Aug 30, 2013 5:57 pm

Language is one of the most pivotal parts of culture. Allowing nations to strip people of their language is an act of forced assimilation. I'm sorry, but I don't like fascists. Votes No.
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Postby Norway and Iceland » Fri Aug 30, 2013 7:57 pm

I am afraid we thus cannot lend our support to this proposal. We are not convinced by the arguments put forth.
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Postby The Great Leap Forward » Fri Aug 30, 2013 8:46 pm

The Remean Lordship wrote:Language is one of the most pivotal parts of culture. Allowing nations to strip people of their language is an act of forced assimilation. I'm sorry, but I don't like fascists. Votes No.


Comrades! Confusing right with wrong, the forces of global capitalism confuse the masses with archaic dialects and the language of the bourgeoisie. Tearing down the walls that separate the working peoples, destroying feudal tendencies liberates the people and opens the lines of communication.

Tearing down the Four Olds is tearing down the oppression of the bourgeoisie. Promoting the People's Tongue is promoting the Revolution!

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