[DEFEATED] Repeal SC#17 Condemn Omigodtheykilledkenny

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Secondly, the author has no relationship to me whatsoever and I've had no communication with him beyond public posts in this forum and the campaign telegram he sent to Delegates. He may be the puppet of an Osiran or former Osiran, or he may have moved to Osiris because I've been personally supporting this proposal since it was a draft. For the record, yes, I am supporting this proposal because Douria is being harbored by Antarctic Oasis, because of Kenny's and Antarctic Oasis' actions during the coup, and because of the involvement in the coup by others from Antarctic Oasis. No, I'm not at all apologetic for supporting this for that reason. No, that does not mean I had anything to do with its authorship. If I had wanted to author this repeal, I would gladly have submitted it myself as I'm not a particularly shy person, and in fact I was considering submitting a repeal but Terravoss beat me to the punch -- so I decided to support this one instead.

That said, feel free to continue with your conspiracy theories because that was the best laugh I've had all day.

Talk about conspiracy theories.

People, this has nothing to do with Osiris. Could we cease trying to make it such?

[DWAsnia]

Secondly, the author has no relationship to me whatsoever and I've had no communication with him beyond public posts in this forum and the campaign telegram he sent to Delegates. He may be the puppet of an Osiran or former Osiran, or he may have moved to Osiris because I've been personally supporting this proposal since it was a draft. For the record, yes, I am supporting this proposal because Douria is being harbored by Antarctic Oasis, because of Kenny's and Antarctic Oasis' actions during the coup, and because of the involvement in the coup by others from Antarctic Oasis. No, I'm not at all apologetic for supporting this for that reason. No, that does not mean I had anything to do with its authorship. If I had wanted to author this repeal, I would gladly have submitted it myself as I'm not a particularly shy person, and in fact I was considering submitting a repeal but Terravoss beat me to the punch -- so I decided to support this one instead.

That said, feel free to continue with your conspiracy theories because that was the best laugh I've had all day.

Talk about conspiracy theories.

People, this has nothing to do with Osiris. Could we cease trying to make it such?

I think it's just Cormac preaching on his soapbox.

That being said, I am vehemently against this resolution. As has been previously pointed out in this thread, the resolution is poorly written and relies too heavily on easily changed game mechanics. However, I am in agreement with Kenny that if a well written, clever, and humorous proposal to repeal this condemnation, I'd be for it.

[Ponderosa]

Talk about conspiracy theories.

People, this has nothing to do with Osiris. Could we cease trying to make it such?

I think it's just Cormac preaching on his soapbox.

That being said, I am vehemently against this resolution. As has been previously pointed out in this thread, the resolution is poorly written and relies too heavily on easily changed game mechanics. However, I am in agreement with Kenny that if a well written, clever, and humorous proposal to repeal this condemnation, I'd be for it.

Convince Kaputer to vote the same, then.

[DWAsnia]

I think it's just Cormac preaching on his soapbox.

That being said, I am vehemently against this resolution. As has been previously pointed out in this thread, the resolution is poorly written and relies too heavily on easily changed game mechanics. However, I am in agreement with Kenny that if a well written, clever, and humorous proposal to repeal this condemnation, I'd be for it.

Convince Kaputer to vote the same, then.

That's what I've been trying to do, but it doesn't seem like it's working I've gotten a bit of support, but not much. Hrmm . . . I wonder if you can repeal a repeal

[Ponderosa]

Convince Kaputer to vote the same, then.

That's what I've been trying to do, but it doesn't seem like it's working I've gotten a bit of support, but not much. Hrmm . . . I wonder if you can repeal a repeal

No, you have to write a whole new condemnation.

[Blackgrass]

Recognizing that The Dolphin-Killing WA Member of Omigodtheykilledkenny is not a World Assembly member, nor has it been for quite a while,

The nation of Omigodtheykilledkenny is in fact a WA Member, as indicated by the WA Member badge on their nation's page. Against.

An excelently written repeal, and I would gladly support it if it was in fact correct.

[Iron Confederation]

Switching vote as per Omigodtheykilledkenny's logic.

Thanks for the telegram.

[Nexum]

Absent any ambassador, President Robotus Paul returns to the podium once again,

"AGAINST!" *slams fast!* "AGAINST! AGAINST! AGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAINST!"

[WallaWakkaWalla]

If the Repeal actually ADDRESSED the original reasons why OMGTKK was Condemned in the first place, then it would be due serious consideration. However, as it does not, we will vote AGAINST the repeal.

[Crissia]

Reading through the topic I have concluded that both sides of this argument seem lacking, and a bit fishy. I've changed my vote a couple of times already...

However, seeing a nation try so hard to block a repeal of their own condemnation and then sending out a mass message about it might be the tipping point. I just don't get it. Maybe it's because I've not been a member of this community for 10yrs; I don't know how things work around here and I don't have any type of relationship with any of you... it could turn out that I feel completely different about this topic in a few weeks/months. If so, oops.. sorry. But on the surface, I do not think it should be the responsibility the WA/SC to 'humor' any individual. What the condemned nation finds funny or witty is completely irrelevant and somewhat aggravating to me.

The original condemnation seems completely pointless and (again, maybe it's because I've been away so long) I don't understand the reasoning behind it or the fight to keep it standing. As it stands now, I'm fine with slight inaccuracies that can be changed on a whim (WA membership) to sway those who will vote on aesthetics alone.

As a result, Crissia is FOR

[Crazy girl]

Anyone else get a telegram from Kenny? I wonder if this is the first time someone conducted a telegram campaign for a resolution about themselves.

[Topid]

Anyone else get a telegram from Kenny? I wonder if this is the first time someone conducted a telegram campaign for a resolution about themselves.

I think some other condemnation targets tried to avoid one. I don't know of anyone scrambling to protect their badge like this. It shows how effective stamps will be at swaying the vote how quickly he's pulling ahead. The 'pay to win' version of keeping his badge almost made me want to buy the stamps to push this thing through.

I suppose I can just settle for enjoying the irony of AO and Kenny working so hard and spending RW money so save one of these badges they ridicule as meaningless all of the time.

[Communist Eraser]

Did Kenny actually pay though? Paid TGs have identifiers for the category e.g tag:delegates or tag:wa

My TG from Kenny was sent to me with none of those.

I do believe in against btw, if Kenny wants to be immortalised as the sneaky loophole abusing mastermind, (and he plays his character well) rather than the great WA author/influencer he is, then why not? He's both these things.

And not to mention this is a pretty bad repeal that doesn't really directly counter the statements in the condemn, as Kenny and others pointed out.

[Terravoss]

Really Kenny a Telegram campaign now?

I particually loved this part:

Its arguments are weak and unconvincing (even the mods said as much when they responded to a legality check)

Seems funny since both Crazy, AND Sedge voted FOR it.

And now for all those who did not get the TG I present to you:

Apologies for the mass-mailing. I just wanted to drop you a quick line about the resolution currently at vote, Repeal "Condemn Omigodtheykilledkenny". It is my strong hope that you will vote AGAINST it.

Why would a nation be against the repeal of its own condemnation, you ask? Well, it's quite simple. It's just not good enough. Its arguments are weak and unconvincing (even the mods said as much when they responded to a legality check), its composition leaves much to be desired, and it demonstrates a distinct lack of understanding, both of the target nation (i.e., me) and the accusations lodged against it. SC mods warn members not to submit repeals that do not directly address the arguments in the resolution, and this repeal doesn't even come close to doing that. Instead, it just rattles off a list of good things my nation has supposedly done (while relying on easily changeable game mechanics like whether my nation is in the WA or not), and then shruggingly asserts that the accusations made in the actual condemnation mean nothing.

It is my considered belief that the very first condemnation of a nation to be passed by the WA -- and the admittedly brilliant prose of its author -- deserve a far better response than this. This sort of "commendation-as-repeal" argument only promotes lazy proposal-writing, and does the Security Council a profound disservice. I can be persuaded to support a repeal that actually does seek to address and disprove (rather than avoid) the charges against my nation, but this falls significantly short of the mark. I am voting against, and I pray that you'll join me.

But if you're already against this, you dislike me, you think I do deserve the scorn of the WA, or you just like the glimmer of the badge on my nation, more power to you, I guess. Vote early and often.

Thanks for hearing me out!
Kenny"

So lets run this down?

1. You join the WA
2. You change your pre title to try and discredit the repeal
3. You alter AO's WFE
4. You suppress the forum posts on AO's forum that I linked to, showing your plans to try and defeat this
5. You accuse me of making this personal
6. You get your cronies to try and either derail the thread, or turn this into me
7. A TG campaign with stamps.

Did I miss anything?

All of this just proves more and more, that you know the original condemnation was weak, and this has a reasonably good chance of passing. Bravo Sir. As I have said before "I bow before your superior intellect". KHANNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Waromia]

This proposal is horrible, he didn't do anything wrong !

[Sedgistan]

For the records, the mods' response to the legality check cited in that telegram was:

"It's been looked at - while the arguments may not be the most convincing, the first few clauses definitely address the contents of the resolution it's seeking to appeal."

[Christom]

All this is, is another example of AO trying their damnedest to preserve the integrity of the WA. This repeal is bullroar, and because of that, we oppose it. If someone wants to come up with a good repeal, we'll support it.

[The Akashic Records]

I have admitted my real motives. This is for the betterment of the Security Council. Nothing more, nothing less.

OOC: Following your note in your sig, this is part is OOC. Not exactly sure if a repeal that relies on easily changeable game mechanics is, better, for the SC. In my completely unimportant opinion, it's setting more bad examples for future authors to follow, and that goes completely against your goal of bettering the SC. Kenny said it many times already, but it didn't seem like you were willing to listen to his points *shrugs*

IC: Coleman returned, only to find this nonsense still going on. "I'm not sure if the delegation of Terravoss even read their own proposal, but something with so many inaccuracies doesn't even deserve to be considered. It was correct at the time of submission does not justify the inaccuracies within this proposal, should the authoring delegation be honest in their attempt at bettering the Security Council. We leave this in the hands of the more intelligent voters to consider before voting." Coleman exited, and went to the Strangers' Bar to snip some papers, his new favourite pastime.

[SFBA wabbitslayah]

Secondly, the author has no relationship to me whatsoever and I've had no communication with him beyond public posts in this forum and the campaign telegram he sent to Delegates. He may be the puppet of an Osiran or former Osiran, or he may have moved to Osiris because I've been personally supporting this proposal since it was a draft. For the record, yes, I am supporting this proposal because Douria is being harbored by Antarctic Oasis, because of Kenny's and Antarctic Oasis' actions during the coup, and because of the involvement in the coup by others from Antarctic Oasis. No, I'm not at all apologetic for supporting this for that reason. No, that does not mean I had anything to do with its authorship. If I had wanted to author this repeal, I would gladly have submitted it myself as I'm not a particularly shy person, and in fact I was considering submitting a repeal but Terravoss beat me to the punch -- so I decided to support this one instead.

That said, feel free to continue with your conspiracy theories because that was the best laugh I've had all day.

Talk about conspiracy theories.

People, this has nothing to do with Osiris. Could we cease trying to make it such?

Come on it's Cormac. Everything has to do with Osiris.

[Ponderosa]

I think some other condemnation targets tried to avoid one. I don't know of anyone scrambling to protect their badge like this. It shows how effective stamps will be at swaying the vote how quickly he's pulling ahead. The 'pay to win' version of keeping his badge almost made me want to buy the stamps to push this thing through.

I suppose I can just settle for enjoying the irony of AO and Kenny working so hard and spending RW money so save one of these badges they ridicule as meaningless all of the time.

A TG campaign with stamps.[/list]

Did I miss anything?

You missed the fact that this campaign was done without stamps (no tags). You missed the fact that it was marked as a campaign telegram. You can easily block this. Quit complaining, and maybe start your own campaign.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Reading through the topic I have concluded that both sides of this argument seem lacking, and a bit fishy. I've changed my vote a couple of times already...

However, seeing a nation try so hard to block a repeal of their own condemnation and then sending out a mass message about it might be the tipping point. I just don't get it. Maybe it's because I've not been a member of this community for 10yrs; I don't know how things work around here and I don't have any type of relationship with any of you... it could turn out that I feel completely different about this topic in a few weeks/months. If so, oops.. sorry. But on the surface, I do not think it should be the responsibility the WA/SC to 'humor' any individual. What the condemned nation finds funny or witty is completely irrelevant and somewhat aggravating to me.

The original condemnation seems completely pointless and (again, maybe it's because I've been away so long) I don't understand the reasoning behind it or the fight to keep it standing. As it stands now, I'm fine with slight inaccuracies that can be changed on a whim (WA membership) to sway those who will vote on aesthetics alone.

As a result, Crissia is FOR

Well, thanks for at least being man (woman) enough to admit you don't know what you're talking about. You are leaps and bounds ahead of the author in that regard. *salutes*

[The Bruce]

I'm shocked and appalled at this flagrant disregard for the welfare of innocent dolphins! According to all the pop culture references I could find, they are gentle, benign creatures that save children, stop for photos with your friends, and love to perform tricks just for our amusement. There was the one marine biologist who said that it was all propaganda and that dolphins are right bastards, but what do they know. I mean, marine biologists stick dolphins with needles and staple radio tags to them, so we know what side they're on.

Who among us wants to live in a notional world, where our notional children witness the wanton murder of notional dolphins? Who would want you to live in that dystopia? The author of this resolution that's who. That and everyone who votes for this resolution.

So if you want to murder a dolphin, vote yes for this resolution. But on the off chance that you aren't some dolphin hating monster, bathing in the blood of innocence, then vote no.

This announcement endorsed by the People of Ocean Protection (POOP)

[Feux]

Lol. Kenny that telegram you sent our turned the vote around. Nice.

[Szeron]

If this fails, I wonder if Kenny would work with me on writing up a repeal he'd find acceptable? I -am- a fiction writer, and I -can- read legalese...

I understand the raison d'etre of the original condemnation, but at this stage it feels almost MORE important to say "THIS IS HOW YOU DO IT, FFS." Especially since I gather this is not the first time people have tried pulling some nonsense out of their hat to make everyone groan and shake their heads and glare at each other in exasperation. I wouldn't mind making my first actual publicly-being-watched action be showing folks how you write things that others will want to read.

Also: blame Kenny for my first post being here. Damned telegrams giving me cancer of the MIND grrgrrrhhgrrghrhgfffrf

[Bodoboli Anovan Mission]

I voted FOR this at first, but then I took a look at the posts on this thread, and reevaluated the resolution. I am now AGAINST it, due to the poor writing of it, along with the fact that Kenny basically just made half of it false by joining the WA (and yes, I know accuracy isn't a requirement).