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Postby Valendia » Sun Aug 25, 2013 10:42 pm

The Valendian delegate idly rests his left temple against his thumb, right hand stirring his martini with the toothpicked olive as he reads yet another of this recent fad of parenthood related proposals.

"A query for the honorable delegate from Three Weasels; what exactly is the point of this proposal? Based on the preamble the problem this seeks to address is an apparently 'inflated' rate of abortion. Ignoring, of course, how subjective "inflated" is in this context given that the number of abortions hinges on far more factors than the availability of alternative methods to abortion.

Furthermore, issue is taken with the title of this piece. It is called the "Responsible Parenthood Act"; yet its primary goal being the reduction of abortion would by implication brand those that choose abortion as their means of family planning as irresponsible, no?

We daresay on average that the nations in which abortion is legally permissible tend to already promote alternative means of family planning; the problem, as Valendia views it, is those nations in which neither is present; if this were an act simply to try and promote a more diverse array of family planning techniques throughout the esteemed nations of the World Assembly, that is all well and good - but as it stands this act is laden with the cultural baggage of its proponents, namely that of abortion being a negative to be curtailed.

Given the present wording of the act and the implications, we are leaning towards voting in the negative for this proposal unless convinced otherwise. "
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Postby Corenea » Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:07 am

Didn't we just cover this proposal a few days ago?
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Postby Abacathea » Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:38 am

Corenea wrote:Didn't we just cover this proposal a few days ago?


No, and sadly I believe this is an issue we'll face quite a bit over the next few days. We covered a proposal over the last few days with serious religious undertones that said "marriage is the answer". This act seeks to ensure that all services required during pregnancy are available as needed, while putting in place systems to hopefully raise sexual awareness in the first instance.
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Postby Kamershia » Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:42 am

I sincerely hope this will get shot down.
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Postby Abacathea » Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:45 am

Kamershia wrote:I sincerely hope this will get shot down.


Can you provide a reason for this statement?
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Postby Kamershia » Mon Aug 26, 2013 12:46 am

Abacathea wrote:
Kamershia wrote:I sincerely hope this will get shot down.


Can you provide a reason for this statement?

Did a page earlier, or so.

Lemme find it.

EDIT1:
Firmly against.

A nation's government should educate it's people regarding parenthood as it sees fit, or not educating them at all.
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Postby Abacathea » Mon Aug 26, 2013 2:10 am

Kamershia wrote:
Abacathea wrote:
Can you provide a reason for this statement?

Did a page earlier, or so.

Lemme find it.

EDIT1:
Firmly against.

A nation's government should educate it's people regarding parenthood as it sees fit, or not educating them at all.


So you take issue with the acts educational stance but not the neeical proviso it makes. And yet you hope it gets "shot down". Odd.
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G.A #257; Reducing Automobile Emissions (Repealed).
G.A #263; Uranium Mining Standards Act
G.A #279; Right of Emigration
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G.A #363; Preservation of Artefacts (repealed)
S.C #118; Commend SkyDip
S.C #120; Commend Mousebumples
S.C #122; Condemn Gest
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S.C #125; Commend The Bruce
S.C #126; Commend Sanctaria
S.C #131: Commend NewTexas
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Postby Discoveria » Mon Aug 26, 2013 4:29 am

"Since our concerns have been ignored, probably unintentionally, I am now inclined to vote against this proposal on the basis that the word "introduce" allows nations to start providing sex education etc. and then immediately stop providing it."
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Postby Retired WerePenguins » Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:50 am

I will await the collective decision of my region before giving a Yea or Nay vote on this resolution. However, I must point out that the resolution is misnamed. There is nothing "responsible" about this act.

The Motivation is all well and good, but the motivation has nothing to do with the title. One can be "responsible" with an unplanned pregnancy and not responsible with a planned one.

The options are not related to the motivation, especially that of option b; last time I checked adoption occurs long after the pregnancy has begun (around nine months, more or less).

And I won't comment on the giving of contraceptives to minors without the parents approval or knowledge. (I can just imagine the reaction of a scared parent to hear that their child has been hospitalized and in critical condition because of a latex allergy. Next thing you know you will be feeding kids peanut butter without the parent's knowledge ... disgusting.)
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Postby Republic of Greater America » Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:51 am

No, as why should I have to pay for all this? Instead, what would be easier is to just simply ban teen pregnancy, and if a child is born to teen parents, take it away. Finally, why not just teach kids that sex is bad, and make up some reasons, and tell them to control their urges? That way, there's no more sex, and people can only reproduce through IVF, which is better anyways, because you can pick out your kid's genetics.

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Postby Linux and the X » Mon Aug 26, 2013 5:56 am

Republic of Greater America wrote:No, as why should I have to pay for all this? Instead, what would be easier is to just simply ban teen pregnancy, and if a child is born to teen parents, take it away. Finally, why not just teach kids that sex is bad, and make up some reasons, and tell them to control their urges? That way, there's no more sex, and people can only reproduce through IVF, which is better anyways, because you can pick out your kid's genetics.

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Postby Fotar » Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:30 am

The foxes of Fotar are very strongly against this terrible proposal. Opening up access to contraceptives, without parental consent, to any age is a blatant and aggressive infringement on the sovereignty of the most basic unit of society and authority: that of a parent over their children. Parents should be able to set their own rules for their children and have the right to reasonable authority over them without the government interfering.
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Postby Linux and the X » Mon Aug 26, 2013 6:39 am

Fotar wrote:Parents should be able to set their own rules for their children and have the right to reasonable authority over them without the government interfering.

Bullshit.
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Postby Ikania » Mon Aug 26, 2013 7:42 am

Against. Not only does it have no purpose at all, but in the resolution it defines Comprehensive Sexual Education with Emphasis on Birth Control. That could potentially violate the sovereignty of nations and how their education works.
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Postby Friday Freshman » Mon Aug 26, 2013 8:10 am

This is a simple rip off of my Family Planning Act. I vote against this because of its true purpose.
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Postby Equalda » Mon Aug 26, 2013 8:56 am

We will vote against this act, as we feel it is poorly written.

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Postby Dellin » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:14 am

Friday Freshman wrote:This is a simple rip off of my Family Planning Act. I vote against this because of its true purpose.


It's not really a ripoff. I have noticed that, when one, more seasoned player, creates a proposal for a topic, a bunch of other proposals also start circulating on the same topic. In this case, what happened is different. Some more seasoned players took up your idea and improved it. You should actually be happy that you sparked inspiration for a better resolution that achieves your goals, rather than being bitter about not getting the glory.

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The Motivation is all well and good, but the motivation has nothing to do with the title. One can be "responsible" with an unplanned pregnancy and not responsible with a planned one.


And?

The options are not related to the motivation, especially that of option b; last time I checked adoption occurs long after the pregnancy has begun (around nine months, more or less).


I'm not sure why this would be a problem either way, but you obviously haven't checked in a while. Adoptions can happen immediately after the time of birth; sometimes the child will already have been chosen for adoption before birth.

And I won't comment on the giving of contraceptives to minors without the parents approval or knowledge. (I can just imagine the reaction of a scared parent to hear that their child has been hospitalized and in critical condition because of a latex allergy. Next thing you know you will be feeding kids peanut butter without the parent's knowledge ... disgusting.)


I'm assuming this part is completely satiric, or something (who knows at this point), but: Better a scared parent for a rare allergy than a scared parent for a common pregnancy.
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Postby Abacathea » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:17 am

Friday Freshman wrote:This is a simple rip off of my Family Planning Act. I vote against this because of its true purpose.


1: Your family planning act was getting crushed on the WA drafting stages by most if not all of us who had viewed it.
1(a): Neither I, or the weasels I'm sure would feel your work up to a level we would need to "borrow" from.
2: I'm 99% sure you already "approved" this act previously so do tell what is its tue purpose? Unlike Christian Democrats there is no religious undertone here so please do tell.
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Postby Republic of Greater America » Mon Aug 26, 2013 9:53 am

Linux and the X wrote:
Republic of Greater America wrote:No, as why should I have to pay for all this? Instead, what would be easier is to just simply ban teen pregnancy, and if a child is born to teen parents, take it away. Finally, why not just teach kids that sex is bad, and make up some reasons, and tell them to control their urges? That way, there's no more sex, and people can only reproduce through IVF, which is better anyways, because you can pick out your kid's genetics.

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Postby Star F1eet » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:00 am

:clap: We the administration of Star F1eet fully support this resolution as it supports values our proud nation is already employs and introduces further improvements :clap:
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Postby Altius » Mon Aug 26, 2013 10:01 am

AGAINST because I really don't like idea of allowing minors access to contraceptives without parents' knowledge or permission.
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Postby Dai Coon Ree » Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:12 am

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Postby Kryosnarkia » Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:25 am

Dai Coon Ree wrote:*Ambassador to the WA Glin' Eben sits yawning at his desk as another of these "Parenthood" Acts is placed on debatte. With a slight shakeing of his head he reads it and stiffles a laugh. Not only its poorly written, interferes with the education policy of the Star Empire, its simply ... useless...Via Computer he presses: AGAINST. Then he resumes to enjoy some delicious specialities shipped from the homeworld...*

You know what else interferes with the education policy of your nation? Resolution #80: Promotion of Basic Education.

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Postby Corenea » Mon Aug 26, 2013 11:50 am

AGAINST Does not teach responsibility and people need responsiblity. And welfare is frowned upon here so it won't work for us.
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