[DEFEATED] Repeal: Condemn The Black Riders #SC91

[Sedgistan]

Edit:

As this goes live while I'm asleep (it's 4am here) it makes sense to answer a few of the objections that most likely will come up;

1; is the replace process still going ahead now that Cormac is on sabbatical?
A; yes, I've been approached by a few nations who are desirous to do it.

2; so shouldnt we wait until there's a draft ready?
A; no, I'm sure the riders can live without their badge a while.

3; but don't you think...
A; no, never.

4; but but but....
A; do it for Frodo. He would have wanted it this way.

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As usual all feedback appreciated;

Repeal "Condemn The Black Riders"

A resolution to repeal a previously passed resolution

Category: Repeal | Resolution: SC#91 | Proposed by: Abacathea

The Security Council

Recognizing The Security Council as The World Assembly's voice of respect and outrage within the international community;

Believing that the work of The Security Council is a tireless pursuit of naming and shaming nations and regions alike for their misdeeds and likewise applauding those who benefit and better the world in which they reside.

Dismayed however with the failings of SC#91 "Condemn The Black Riders" which falls short of what should be expected of a condemnation of a region like "The Black Riders".

Lamenting the poor draftsmanship of the act, and it's obvious attempts through choice of language to paint The Black Riders as the grotesque monsters that hide in the closets of small children in order to garner support;

Furthermore aware that this condemnation has done little to starve The Black Riders of their desire to continue to be a destructive force within the known world;

Concerned that to a region such as this, this serves little more than an encouragement to continue these actions and as a badge and banner under which they march to further their ends.

Convinced that the antics of The Black Riders at this point have made them neither threatening nor worthy of this condemnation but more of an annoyance the world has learned to tolerate;

Hereby;
Repeals SC#91 "Condemn The Black Riders"

Repeal "Condemn The Black Riders"

A resolution to repeal a previously passed resolution

Category: Repeal | Resolution: SC#91 | Proposed by: Abacathea

The Security Council;

Frustrated with the failings of SC#91 which falls short of what should be expected of a condemnation of a region like The Black Riders including references to "cultural genocide";

Recognizing the intent, but poor draftsmanship of SC#91, and it's obvious attempts through choice of language to portray The Black Riders as grotesque monsters by exaggerating their presence within targeted regions as "oppressive and horrific";

Observing that this condemnation has done little to starve The Black Riders of their desire to continue to be a destructive force within the known world;

Determined not to further a region to which the current condemnation serves little more than a furtherment to continue these actions and as a badge and banner under which they march to their ends, despite the previous resolutions fear that The Black Riders would serve an "encouragement of other allied raiders, raider regions, anti-WA establishments and attitudes" if they were not condemned;

Observing that the antics of The Black Riders at this point, while still negative and hurting to those regions they sack with reckless abandon, carry little weight in any other form in the international community and thus are not deserving of a condemnation;

Hereby;
Repeals SC#91 "Condemn The Black Riders"

The act itself can be found here

[Ramaeus]

Are you trying to do what AMOM did with condemn & repeal condemn (SC council resolution 37, 38) Nazi Europe?

[Abacathea]

Are you trying to do what AMOM did with condemn & repeal condemn (SC council resolution 37, 38) Nazi Europe?

I'm not familiar with what AMOM did, what I'm intending to do is repeal legislation that is entirely ineffective.

Edit: No, I didn't author SC#91

[Sanarova]

I am a NOOB but it seems like a good proposal to me. Some regions like Black Riders probably would sport a badge of condemnation.

[Slafstopia]

Refers to the Security Council. I believe that's metagaming. Or is that only for the GA?

[Abacathea]

Refers to the Security Council. I believe that's metagaming. Or is that only for the GA?

Neither. Both can refer to the body thats proposing them.

[Slafstopia]

Refers to the Security Council. I believe that's metagaming. Or is that only for the GA?

Neither. Both can refer to the body thats proposing them.

viewtopic.php?p=15976697#p15976697

Maybe not the SC, but definitely the GA, because that proposal got removed.

[Abacathea]

Neither. Both can refer to the body thats proposing them.

viewtopic.php?p=15976697#p15976697

Maybe not the SC, but definitely the GA, because that proposal got removed.

Ceni's appraisal of that in my opinion was incorrect, to cite an example you can view my authorship in my sig, Resolution #257, furthermore, SC#118, either should suffice

[Slafstopia]

viewtopic.php?p=15976697#p15976697

Maybe not the SC, but definitely the GA, because that proposal got removed.

Ceni's appraisal of that in my opinion was incorrect, to cite an example you can view my authorship in my sig, Resolution #257, furthermore, SC#118, either should suffice

Hmm, alright.

In light of this, I approve of this. It's like sending a kid who breaks furniture to sit on the naughty stool.

[Artic Korea]

Reference the terrible quality of the original resolution, such as the insane genocide comment.

[Burnning Almire]

It has my support

[Abacathea]

Little tweaks made, refers to the poor draftsmanship of the original act, and some grammatical tidying up done as well.

[Frattastan II]

For!

[Lingang]

I can understand this repeal. For.

[Terravoss]

Let's make this happen, and keep it off the books once and for all.

[Tim-Opolis]

Absolute support.

[Feux]

This does look pretty solid. I will vote in favor.

[Abacathea]

If there are no further comments will move to submit tomorrow evening.

[Eist]

"Recognizing The Security Council as The World Assembly's voice of respect and outrage within the international community;"

Pointless and pretty stupid. It doesn't even make sense. I would remove it.


"Believing that the work of The Security Council is a tireless pursuit of naming and shaming nations and regions alike for their misdeeds and likewise applauding those who benefit and better the world in which they reside."

Ditto.

"Dismayed however with the failings of SC#91 "Condemn The Black Riders" which falls short of what should be expected of a condemnation of a region like "The Black Riders". "

A lot of words to say nothing really. One would suspect that you are trying to repeal the resolution because it's not up to scratch.

"Lamenting the poor draftsmanship of the act, and it's obvious attempts through choice of language to paint The Black Riders as the grotesque monsters that hide in the closets of small children in order to garner support;"

Examples would help, or it's not particularly useful. If you had linked to the proposal you are trying to repeal, I would have provided a stylistic example of what I mean.

"Convinced that the antics of The Black Riders at this point have made them neither threatening nor worthy of this condemnation but more of an annoyance the world has learned to tolerate;"

I think the GP and NS world at large might not consider them antics or non-threatening, so this is probably overreaching.

The other lines seem reasonable. This needs a lot of work before I (and I would guess most others, given the subject matter) would accept it. Please note that there is *no* minimum word limit: cut the crap.

[Abacathea]

"Recognizing The Security Council as The World Assembly's voice of respect and outrage within the international community;"

Pointless and pretty stupid. It doesn't even make sense. I would remove it.

I always open with a preamble, although I'll reword it so it makes at least a tad more sense.

"Dismayed however with the failings of SC#91 "Condemn The Black Riders" which falls short of what should be expected of a condemnation of a region like "The Black Riders". "

A lot of words to say nothing really. One would suspect that you are trying to repeal the resolution because it's not up to scratch.

Pretty much, i'll see what I can do to reword it and strengthen it.

"Lamenting the poor draftsmanship of the act, and it's obvious attempts through choice of language to paint The Black Riders as the grotesque monsters that hide in the closets of small children in order to garner support;"

Examples would help, or it's not particularly useful. If you had linked to the proposal you are trying to repeal, I would have provided a stylistic example of what I mean.

Will add both tomorrow so.

"Convinced that the antics of The Black Riders at this point have made them neither threatening nor worthy of this condemnation but more of an annoyance the world has learned to tolerate;"

I think the GP and NS world at large might not consider them antics or non-threatening, so this is probably overreaching.

I was trying to make a stretch towards the fact that they are no more dangerous than any other raiding region, if anything this commendation is probably what gives them that "edge" over other equally destructive forces.

The other lines seem reasonable. This needs a lot of work before I (and I would guess most others, given the subject matter) would accept it. Please note that there is *no* minimum word limit: cut the crap.

Roger that, will tidy it up some tomorrow, thank you for the feedback.

Edit- Had some time, version two up now.

[Eist]

"I always open with a preamble, although I'll reword it so it makes at least a tad more sense. "

A preamble is not necessary; it's fine if you want to, but I would certainly argue that it's not good to lead by stating what the SC is for: the proposal should all be about the resolution. Looking over your revision, it's much better, but perhaps it could start by acknowledging that TBR are a pain in the ass *to defenders*; and that, however, the condemnation resolution is in itself awful *and* TBR [edit; whoops!], while annoying defenders, have had no real lasting impact on the game at all in this time (unlike Unknown, ANTIFA, LWU, dear I say TBH).

You should also tighten your language (particularly considering this is a point of contention in your repeal effort). Example:

"Lamenting the poor draftsmanship of the act, and it's obvious attempts through choice of language to paint The Black Riders as the grotesque monsters that hide in the closets of small children in order to garner support such as exaggerating "The Black Riders complete defacement of regions when forcibly assuming the role of regional delegate" for effect."

DISMAYED that the resolution portrays The Black Riders as grotesque monsters by exaggerating their presence within targeted regions as "oppressive and horrific".

That said, I don't think that it's deniable that TBRs occupations, no matter how fleeting, oppress natives--regardless of how irrelevant to the wider NS world. I think that it would be better for you to acknowledge that TBR do indeed attack many pointlessly tiny regions, suppressing their sovereignty, but that this is not really relevant at all beyond the R/D game; and that therefore TBR do not deserve their condemnation badge.

You really want three parts to your repeal proposal: 1) The resolution is grammatically and stylistically poor; 2) TBR are not affected negatively by the condemnation badge; and 3) TBR are not really deserving of the condemnation badge. You should present these parts in this logical order. You could feasibly switch 2 and 3 if you wish.

It's late, I'm tired, and I'm not really invested in proofing this much, but I hope this helps!

[Abacathea]

Further tweaks made, some significant tidying up, nonsensical preamble removed. And a little dash of humor added too.

[Helltank]

I would support this. I was pretty annoyed at the poor writing and rhetorical skills of whoever wrote SC91(rabble-rousing sort of rhetoric, not really intellectual and high-brow debate style) as well.

I will leave a message on the RMB to get my regional delegate to approve.

[Ponderosa]

Support.

[Terravoss]

Hmmm, I find it both pitiful and laughable that people bother writing these things about us.

I guess any attention, is good attention right? Too bad about that badge though. Try harder next time.