DEFEATED: Condemn Gatesville

[Ardchoille]

SECURITY COUNCIL

Condemn gatesville

A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Category: Condemnation
Nominee: gatesville
Proposed by: Omigodtheykilledkenny

Description:

ADMITTING that the WA really does want to control every nation,

ASSERTING that resolutions are the only way we can force our will on the entire international community,

INSISTING that the WA really does know best,

EXPRESSING concern for those nations and regions, particularly gatesville, but many others also, that push this strange and foreign concept of "national sovereignty," and oppose resolutions for that reason,

BELIEVING such nations and regions are DANGEROUS and must be exposed as the traitors and interlopers that they are,

the World Assembly hereby CONDEMNS the pretended "region" of gatesville, and all who follow her misguided and contrary aims.

Approvals: 87 (Charlotte Ryberg, Quintessence of Dust, Rainbow Isles, Cobdenia, Sionis Prioratus, South Malaysia, Todd McCloud, Rutianas, Horrifica, The Monkye, Earth Worshippers, Vartican, Lucretia Borgia, Ali Lee, Anemos Major, Reseda Island, Krulltopia, Top Hats and Berets, Oldenland, Azerbajerkistan, East Hylia, The High Holy Covenant, Iaho, Justorica, Housetown, Luna Amore, Insane Tree Rodents, Angelus130, Canadadopolis, Ventei, L2, Black Rhino, Xanthal, Saintete Enigmatique, Padmas, Golimarchy, Veilyonia, Jacobish, The Voltarum, Selkaria, MacroGlup, Iglesian Archipelago, Cachette de Lions, Jey, New Old New New York, The Derrak Quadrant, Kleinekatzen, Zutroy, Caelas, Ouroborii, Analestiana, Haggatopa, Azemica, Carrhae Harran, Kingsley Bedford, Kabanatuanistan, Russipines, The Happy Apple, Zanemia, Gwenstefani, Plugster, Citizen Soldier, Trebich, Consiverto, Glen-Rhodes, Greal, Valeneska, Gobbo Power, Naples Republic, SKT1, Sfoz, William Bettingham, Konsomolets, Cena465, Meganacholand, Danshazzero, Vallenstad, Jorvik gods, Wanjunia, The rabid platypuses, The Sobani, Princess Cheryl, PizzaPocket, Thorreich, Lysteriosis, Compendia, Cheztope)

Status: Quorum Reached: In Queue!

[Goobergunchia]

Honored ambassadors to the World Assembly,

It is with great pride that I rise to open this debate before a new organ of our august union of nations. Today truly begins a new era for this organization and a new gamut of interesting subjects to discuss -- ones that hopefully provide a welcome reprieve from the same tired debates on issues that have been discussed to death in my years as an Ambassador here.

The first resolution to appear before this Security Council is scheduled to be a condemnation of the region of Gatesville, a long opponent of this institution. Indeed, their World Factbook Entry states as follows:

Welcome to Gatesville! Our goal is to stop the WA's dastardly plot to form a One World Order by infringing on a nation's sovereignty. All nations are urged to join the WA. In order to fight the beast we must get close to him.

All hail the mighty Gatesville Guard!

Forums: z10.invisionfree.invalid.com/Gatesville

Endorse Schlemeils

WE STAND AT DEFCON 4.
Troops Home.

NTO Member and Anti-marsupial.

The World Assembly, and its predecessor body, the United Nations, has a long and beloved tradition of binding its member nations to policies that a clear majority support. We of the Liberal Unitary Republic rightly recognize the authority of the World Assembly to set policy for its member nations -- any nation that does not wish to obey World Assembly resolutions is welcome to resign from this community of countries. Gatesville's opposition to the core bedrock of World Assembly authority is something that we have long condemned, and we are gratified by the existence of this mechanism for spreading our condemnation so that it may be seen by all. As such, we proudly declare our intention to vote in favor of this resolution at such time as it becomes available for vote before the full World Assembly.

[Lord] Michael Evif
Ambassador to the United Nations and all successor organizations
Liberal Unitary Republic of Goobergunchia

[Valipac]

The Valipacian delegate rose to his feet and cleared his throat. "Honest ambassadors to the World Assembly, while I may have a smaller voice in this assembly than others, not commanding the vote tally a regional delegate might hold, I do, thankfully, still retain a voice in this community. It is with this voice that I would express my opinion concerning the condemnation of the region known as Gatesville, and I would hope that the more established members of the community would not discount my statement because of this. I agree with the endorsers of this proposal that Gatesville is detrimental to the World Assembly, and the bodies that this assembly is composed of. I am of the opinion that they do indeed deserve a condemnation from this body. However, I do not believe that this particular proposal is the correct one.

"Let me bring your attention to several areas within this proposal. First of all, I would offer to contradict the statement that 'the WA really does know best.' Surely we can not always know best, as on several occasions we have repealed legislation that we formerly believed best. This contradiction in our beliefs must mean that we can not always be right, and in fact are wrong in some cases, whether we would acknowledge it or not. I would like the delegates here to observe the recent debacle regarding the resolution "Access to Science in Schools." This resolution had hardly come into effect by the time a new resolution calling for its repeal was already in quorum and awaiting vote by the Assembly. The repeal is now under vote by the Assembly, and the lead held bye the nays is hardly insurmountable. I would have a hard time believing that we, the delegates assembled, are always right, when we can seemingly not make up our minds about an issue such as this. Furthermore, I am of the opinion that the wording of this passage is quite childish and should be avoided in all legislation, not just this proposal. It seemingly attempts to assert our 'domination' over a region with a taunt similar to the common schoolyard 'nanny nanny boo boo.'

"On a different note, I would like to dispute the wording of the first line of this proposal. The line 'admitting that the WA really does want to control every nation' seems to be quite inappropriate. Assuredly, there is a place for the WA to enact resolutions to keep peace between the nations of the world, and similarly there is a place for the WA to enact resolutions for the well being of the global populace. I do not, however, believe there is a place for the WA to 'control' every nation. If the WA for one instance claimed that it 'controlled' the Commonwealth of Valipac, I can say without hesitation that we would resign from this body. We are members, we are not subjects. We choose to abide by the legislation governed by this body, we are not forced to. I would suggest the rewording of this passage to something less harsh. Perhaps we could state simply that we wish for all nations to abide by the laws and other legislation originating from this governing body? Surely that would be a less brash and less chauvinistic way to promote our ideals.

"Finally, but most importantly in my estimation, is addressing this proposals stance on national sovereignty. Let me read to you the fourth and fifth lines of this proposal. 'Expressing concern for those nations and regions, particularly gatesville, but many others also, that push this strange and foreign concept of "national sovereignty," and oppose resolutions for that reason. Believing such nations and regions are dangerous and must be exposed as the traitors and interlopers that they are.' These particular statements send chills up and down my spine. Have we come to the days when people will be rooted out of this Assembly simply for looking out for their constituencies best interests? I do not know about my fellow ambassadors, but I was appointed to my position to serve first the people whom I represented, and secondly the international community. I must then vote against any resolution that would call for the end of national sovereignty. The citizens of Valipac have always been and always will be Valipacians, not Globe-ians or whatever else you might fancy for a one-world government. Our citizens elect a government in a fashion that is suitable to them; as it is smaller it is better to meet their needs as a constituency much more ably than an international government could. If I am dangerous for stating these facts, so be it. Put me in handcuffs and take me away. Doing so would only reinforce that the process that you advocate of rooting out ideologies is in and of itself tyrannical. As members of the largest governing body in the universe, we should recognize that it is our duty to be explicitly the opposite.

"With further regard to the questions posed about national sovereignty, I would direct the members of this body to Resolution Two, the Rights and Duties of WA states, which was passed by the substantial margin of 7,501 in favor to 2,511 against. The very first section of this resolution addresses national sovereignty, recognizing it for its importance. Listen as I remind you what it states. 'Every WA Member State has the right to independence and hence to exercise freely, without dictation by any other NationState, all its legal powers, including the choice of its own form of government.' It goes on to further proclaim that 'every WA Member State has the right to exercise jurisdiction over its territory and over all persons and things therein, subject to the immunities recognized by international law.' I believe this makes it quite clear that national sovereignty is not a 'strange and foreign concept' as the Kennyite delegate proposes, but is on the contrary quite integral to the definition of this body and the nations that comprise it. Without national sovereignty, there is nothing that could forbid a delegate such as myself from proposing that another nation be forced to become a monarchy, with myself at the head, and assuming that the proposal gained enough support, it would go into effect. National sovereignty is what keeps us from being the tyrants that many of us despise and use as example against national sovereignty. To call me dangerous for promoting this ideal goes against the very statues of this Assembly, those that you claim to endorse. I can not support such statements.

"To summarize, my fellow delegates, I can not support this measure. While I do support the eventual condemnation of Gatesville, this particular proposal has several statements that undermine the basic principles of the WA as well as a childish tone in some parts. I can not help to think what this assembly has come to, should this proposal be passed by the nations assembled and become a resolution. It is because of this that I call on the nations of this Assembly to not support this proposal. It sets a dangerous precedent that should not be followed. Thank you for your time, honored ambassadors." With that, the Valipacian delegate returned to his seat, his face red from the fervor and passion he had pitched into his speech. Hopefully, it would change the minds of a few. It was all he could hope for.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

Well, fellow members of the Security Council, there's no doubt that Gatesville should be condemned. Furthermore, I applaud the delegates who actually joined forces to bring this vital resolution into quorum, and no doubt it should be ready for 9am UTC on Thursday morning.

I note this has been written at the time when these categories were in its infancy, the honoured ambassador to Omigodtheykilledkenny has taken a great opportunity to expose the arch enemies of the WA.

Yours,

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

Word has it Ardchoille really hates this proposal. Well just for that, she gets to make the Kennypoll! She started the thread, it's only fair.

Oh, and Valipac: Have you even heard of satire?

[Valipac]

Word has it Ardchoille really hates this proposal. Well just for that, she gets to make the Kennypoll! She started the thread, it's only fair.

Oh, and Valipac: Have you even heard of satire?

OOC: Satire doesn't belong in WA proposals. It's hardly professional at all. But thanks for taking the time to reply to my points.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

OOC: Satire doesn't belong in WA proposals.

No?

[Valipac]

OOC: Satire doesn't belong in WA proposals.

No?

OOC: Whatever satire is included in the first resolution is a completely different matter altogether. For one, it does not set a dangerous precedent that could be interpreted in various ways that would be against my IC viewpoints. Altogether, I find the tone of the message, as my delegate stated, childish, and not worthy of being a WA resolution. Will it pass? Most likely, because enough people hate gatesville. Does it deserve to pass? That's another matter entirely, and in my honest opinion, no.

[Wencee]

Well, it won't be passing with our favor, despite the fact that it will stand a good chance of passing - And I imagine this will shock Kenny almost as much.. As I was shocked by the Submitted resolution. Not at all.

All the best though.

[The Dourian Embassy]

I imagine gatesville will support this.

If we're going to have a useless category, we might as well get some laughs out of it. I wholeheartedly and foolhardily support this.

[New Rockport]

On behalf of the Republic of New Rockport, I vote against this resolution and urge all other members of the World Assembly to do the same. This resolution is particularly disturbing because it condemns a region for promoting the "...strange and foreign concept of 'national sovereignty,' and [opposing] resolutions for that reason..." Concern for national sovereignty is just as legitimate in international politics as concern for such concepts as federalism and local home-rule are in domestic politics. Just as some decisions are better left to states and municipalities, some decisions are better left to nations.

Respectfully submitted,
Silvana Rossi
Ambassador to the World Assembly
Republic of New Rockport

[James Bluntus]

The singing Nation of James Bluntus will support this resolution when it comes to a vote.

[Goobergunchia]

The PRESIDING OFFICER: It being the appropriate hour, the Secretary will redesignate the resolution now pending before the World Assembly.

The SECURITY COUNCIL SECRETARY reported the title of the resolution:

Condemn gatesville, a resolution to express shock and dismay at the region of gatesville, proposed by the Federal Republic of Omigodtheykilledkenny.

The PRESIDING OFFICER: Voting on this resolution will end on Mon Jun 15 2009.

[Meekinos]

On behalf of the Republic of New Rockport, I vote against this resolution and urge all other members of the World Assembly to do the same. This resolution is particularly disturbing because it condemns a region for promoting the "...strange and foreign concept of 'national sovereignty,' and [opposing] resolutions for that reason..." Concern for national sovereignty is just as legitimate in international politics as concern for such concepts as federalism and local home-rule are in domestic politics. Just as some decisions are better left to states and municipalities, some decisions are better left to nations.

Respectfully submitted,
Silvana Rossi
Ambassador to the World Assembly
Republic of New Rockport

Good ambassador, perhaps you didn't realise this, so allow me to explain, if a nation fundamentally objects to the resolutions presently enforced by the WA, they have three choices: repeal, accept or resign. There is nothing compelling any nation to stay in the WA. It makes the argument of gatesville flawed. In no way are the resolutions of the WA binding on non-members. The resolutions bind upon acquiring membership and cease to be binding upon resignation from the international body.

It's natural that an international body would make international rules and often rules that could be considered of national interest in the name of justice, civil rights and liberty with the core objective of achieving equitable living conditions for all citizens of the WA. The fact that gatesville doesn't want to follow any of the current resolutions while making a point of being a member is the entire basis for this condemnation. If their region was simply a region that didn't have any members and was for people who objected to the WA's influence that would be fine.

We do not believe the good ambassador has been around long enough to understand the reasoning behind this condemnation and is urged to do some research to better understand the purpose of this condemnation.

[Super-Chechnya]

Sir, if Gatesville were to be proud of being condemned then it isn't going be effective.

[Gl0wing Men]

We gl0wing men shall not support this resolution because we support national sovereignty. Any region that would compromise freedom for security, deserves neither. I suggest all esteemed members of this body rethink the purpose of such an assembly. How willing are you to give up your own power just to belong to a massive bureaucracy? Just think of what you are actually voting for.

We shall never support anything but freedom, even if we have to embrace hypocrisy.

Good Day, and May the Universe bless you with the wisdom to make good decisions.

[Wencee]

And our vote has been officially cast against this 'condemnation' satire or not

[Draegos]

The nation of Draegos votes against this resolution, deemed satirical or otherwise, due to the fact that a condemnation of gatesville would make them even MORE popular. Also, I find it hard to believe that the World Assembly truly knows what is best. Because in all reality, we don't. A fifth of our resolutions from the old "Ridiculously Petty Bureaucracy of Nations Who Should Have Better Things To Do." were repeals.

That being said, my nation votes against this resolution.

[Philimbesi]

Those expecting to see Nigel S Youlkin sitting in the chair behind the plaque reading "United States of Philimbesi" were surprised to see a different man, about the same age, but with black hair and sharper features.

He stood and cleared his throat, "I am John Marbury, USoP Security Council Representative for the United States of Philimbesi. I've been assign by our President the task of speaking for the USoP for all security council matters. I rise today to cast our vote against this measure. While we understand and agree with the ambassador from OMGTKK's intent, we simply feel we must honor our nations position on the national sovereignty issue.

[Plutoni]

Ambassador Raymond Gardner wanders in, glancing every so often at his new PDA--shinier and making odder noises every so often than any of its increasingly strange predecessors. "Um..." he mutters, "Plutoni...uh, let's see, what does it say? Uh...we're against it. Okay bye."

[Absolvability]

I think the Ambassador from Valipac said it all. I oppose this condemnation, and I also oppose satire in proposals.

OOC: Jonathon Swift wrote 'A Modest Proposal' and it was satire... and it was funny... and it served a point. You can't codify satire. The law does what the law says. In this case the law says the WA is a bunch of know-it-all pricks. This proposal is modest at best.

[Tzorsland]

August members of this great body;

It is with great honor that I rise in the debate of the first resolution of condemnation, a resolution I detest with all the fiber of my being. It is therefore right and just that we should in turn direct our attention to the region of Gatesville a region that detests the WA with all the fiber of its being. It is even more fitting that this resolution was proposed by the great delegate of Omigodtheykilledkenny, who would have the honor of being the first nation to have a condemnation resolution approved for discussion and vote in this new body.

This is clearly the highest level of irony I’ve seen in quite a long time. Needless to say, I’m loving every minute of it.

(Side note: Can someone condemn Valipac for failing to understand satire?)

The arguments for the condemnation against Gatesville are clear and concise. It is a pity they weren’t mentioned in the resolution, but I digress. The arguments presented in the resolution are (wait a second, I can’t find any), well they speak for themselves (because I’m not going to speak for them). Therefore my nation will cast its vote for this resolution. However in the spirit of the true nature of this August body (places a large jar in front of him) I will accept any bribes, tips, donations to convince me to vote in some other manner. Allowing me to continue to use the Hethrum Community’s delegate charge card at the bar even though I am no longer the delegate is definitely encouraged.

I thank you for this opportunity to really, how shall I put it, show my pleasure for this stupid and moronic waste of time that this proposal category truly is. (Come to think of it, that applies to all categories.)

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

You can't codify satire. The law does what the law says.

This isn't a law.

[Absolvability]

No, it is not a law. But it is a proposal that wishes for an international backing in order to condemn a region. It is just as important as a law and should be shown adequate respect. Satire has no place in quorom. Incidentally, the majority of the voters don't pay much attention to these debates. So who is going to tell them that this is satire? I suspect that is why your condemnation is failing at present.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

Sarah Harper, behind the plaque reading "Sharlott Ryebürg":

It is quite an exciting time for the World Assembly at the moment you have the chance to get back on what has been described as the Assembly's arch enemy. Simply because there's a new type of resolution does not mean that you have to go and rush to vote straight away. I like to remind members to keep the research flowing as usual and vote wisely, or according your fellow member states in the region or whatever.

The plaque is changed by a passing mystical figure, and now properly reads "Charlotte Ryberg"

Now our delegation has the plate with the right spelling, it is important to research into why Gatesville should be condemned. The argument for by most members would be to get rid of the World Assembly. They do not recognise that there are good writers out there that actually want to improve the world, addressing issues such as poverty, education and peace: they need the correct attention and feedback to succeed. I accept that there has been resolutions that are nearly unworthy of the Assembly's consideration such as going into the detail of marriages and divorces so deeply, but overall I recognise the effort the whole Assembly has been doing to improve the World.

May I reiterate that the founding resolution has already been made repeal-proof, so therefore the World Assembly is here to stay. This action by the founding nation of Maxtopia has helped to defeat the ultimate aim of Gatesville and thereby avoid possible anarchy.

Where the honoured ambassador to Omigodtheykilledkenny quoted that "resolutions are the only way we can force our will on the entire international community", he may have forgotten that WA membership is voluntary. But I observe that nations interpret the term "international community" in different ways. Some relate to the World Assembly, whilst others relate it to a grouping or association of many regions, notably the Pacific regions where new nations are raised. On balance, I assume he means the members of the World Assembly so that is okay.

However, the use of the term "our" and "we" is worthy of some discussion. Some may ask whether the honoured ambassador to Omigodtheykilledkenny mean the community as a whole, the collaboration of nations as a whole or simply just a selection of bureaucrats working behind our backs: I fail to think that a selection of bureaucrats is likely, because nations who write a successful resolution means they've influenced for example, free trade in all member states, until either one repeals it or writes another one restricting trade with a bigger strength. How they do it is up to them as long it is not illegal or unworthy of the Assembly's consideration but once it's successfully passed, you've just changed the world, just what it says on the tin.

Although we view that satire should be used very sparingly, It is important to know that the World Assembly takes every proposal seriously so our best practice is writing resolutions like legal documents. How you see satire is up to you but make sure, whenever you write a proposal or a C&C, that it works properly.

Finally, these kinds of resolutions give you, the member or delegate, free speech on a region or nation. Use it wisely. Now, as for our standing in the resolution, I am going to say...

I am going to say... Thank you for now and see you later because I'm hungry.