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Abacathea
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Postby Abacathea » Thu Jul 18, 2013 7:05 pm

Auralia wrote:Voted against, but only because of inconsistent capitalization and other spelling/grammar issues.


Understandable. Thanks all the same Auralia.
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Postby Auralia » Thu Jul 18, 2013 9:28 pm

Abacathea wrote:
Auralia wrote:Voted against, but only because of inconsistent capitalization and other spelling/grammar issues.


Understandable. Thanks all the same Auralia.

I'd be happy to help copyedit if this attempt fails, though I don't think that's going to happen.
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Riasy
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Postby Riasy » Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:55 am

Terravoss wrote:
Riasy wrote:SCR #114 was nothing more than spittle into the face of World Assembly! It isn’t necessary to support condemnation of Hippostania to loathe SkyDip’s horrible repeal of that condemnation.


Hippo did absolutely nothing, that any other psycho wouldn't do. Shall we condemn all psycho's from now on as a matter of cause? I am not a huge fan of some of SkyDip's repeals (as in repealing Quote Of The Day's commendation), but he has opposed liberating Nazi Europe every time, and that is a plus. All in all, I suppose he deserves this as much as Glen-Rhodes did.

SCR #114 was bad not because it repealed “Condemn Hippostania”, but because it used awful reasoning to justify that repeal.

Anyone who tries to formally justify the repeal of condemnation of nation accused in genocide by assertion that it is “fully unrealistic to expect all nations in the WA to comply to the letter of every mandate, law, and sub-council given power in these halls” does not deserve to be commended, at least not for his efforts in creation of Security Council resolutions.
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Postby Gordano and Lysandus » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:58 am

SCR #114 created what can only be described as a constitutional crisis for the World Assembly because, essentially, it has made the entire organisation worthless. The sum of its message is "you don't need to listen to anything we say". It makes the World Assembly a spineless token organisation under the auspices of world cooperation when it is now just a fraud. Breaches of international law are now, by this precedent, acceptable. Member states are no longer required to protect human rights et cetera, et cetera.

SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.
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Postby SkyDip » Fri Jul 19, 2013 5:26 am

Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.

I hate to post into this thread, but I'm sigging this. :P

*leaves*
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Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.

Eist wrote:Yea... If you are just going to casually dismiss SkyDip's advice, you are probably not going to get very far at all.

Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

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Postby TimberWolves » Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:00 am

I would just like to ask one question - Why is a country with an extremely outstanding record for pacifism getting a military commendation?

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Postby United Federation of Canada » Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:20 pm

TimberWolves wrote:I would just like to ask one question - Why is a country with an extremely outstanding record for pacifism getting a military commendation?


Who said anything about a military commendation.

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Postby Ponderosa » Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:47 pm

United Federation of Canada wrote:
TimberWolves wrote:I would just like to ask one question - Why is a country with an extremely outstanding record for pacifism getting a military commendation?


Who said anything about a military commendation.


Yeah, the SC has nothing to do with the military.
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Postby Gordano and Lysandus » Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:20 pm

Considering the popularity of SkyDip's actions, I'm wondering if the World Assembly should be abolished and refounded so that an organisation that actually works can be operated. Y'know, so states can't imprison and torture people over political leanings.
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Postby Lorrin » Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:59 pm

How can being a delegate help anyone outside of the region,much less everyone in NS?

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Postby Slafstopia » Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:39 pm

Lorrin wrote:How can being a delegate help anyone outside of the region,much less everyone in NS?


By approving proposals that will help citizens of the world.
By using their multiple votes to help take down a proposal that shouldn't have been approved, or that will hurt a nation's citizens.
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Postby Norway and Iceland » Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:40 pm

Your Excellencies, Her Majesty must regrettably enter a vote against this proposal, due to its poor draftsmanship and lack of informed debate in this council.
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Postby Tongsia » Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:48 am

Skudip earns his place for the nations effort in making good solution to the problem we face today and believes that we as tongsia will recognise the effords made by Skydip and keep up the good work and we will help skydip with their problems and would like to thank him for his contribution.

Love from the people of tongsia

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Postby Abacathea » Sat Jul 20, 2013 8:50 am

Norway and Iceland wrote:Your Excellencies, Her Majesty must regrettably enter a vote against this proposal, due to its poor draftsmanship and lack of informed debate in this council.


Your majesty, while we understand and respect your right to vote nay, we must respectfully reject your reasoning. The errors made have been accepted but noted as minor, therefore poor draftsmanship seems harsh. Further more the lack of informed debate is puzzling, most if not all points raised have been addressed if not by myself then by other nations so I find this somewhat puzzling. There hasn't been the most energetic of debates granted but it seems any issues with this proposal are fairly straightforward so I'm quite confused by this statement.

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G.A #279; Right of Emigration
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G.A #363; Preservation of Artefacts (repealed)
S.C #118; Commend SkyDip
S.C #120; Commend Mousebumples
S.C #122; Condemn Gest
S.C #124; Commend Bears Armed
S.C #125; Commend The Bruce
S.C #126; Commend Sanctaria
S.C #131: Commend NewTexas
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S.C #136; Repeal "Liberate St Abbaddon" (Co-Author)
S.C #143; Commend Hobbesistan
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Postby Ponderosa » Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:36 pm

Gordano and Lysandus wrote:Considering the popularity of SkyDip's actions, I'm wondering if the World Assembly should be abolished and refounded so that an organisation that actually works can be operated. Y'know, so states can't imprison and torture people over political leanings.


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Postby Albrook » Sun Jul 21, 2013 12:12 pm

Gordano and Lysandus wrote:Considering the popularity of SkyDip's actions, I'm wondering if the World Assembly should be abolished and refounded so that an organisation that actually works can be operated. Y'know, so states can't imprison and torture people over political leanings.


The WA doesn't have the power to dip directly into the National Sovereignty of the member states. As long as they comply with the provisions of the WA, then they are fine. The WA won't magically change if you refound it.

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Postby Gordano and Lysandus » Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:08 pm

The point is, what SkyDip has done has made non-compliance a fully legalised norm, meaning the entire organisation is completely and fundamentally useless.
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Postby Albrook » Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:55 pm

Gordano and Lysandus wrote:The point is, what SkyDip has done has made non-compliance a fully legalised norm, meaning the entire organisation is completely and fundamentally useless.


One dude didn't follow the rules, so the whole thing is usless? :palm:

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Postby Gordano and Lysandus » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:14 pm

In the resolution SkyDip created to repeal Hippostania's condemnation, the wording formalised that no one needed to follow the rules and resolutions of the World Assembly.
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Postby Albrook » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:25 pm

Gordano and Lysandus wrote:In the resolution SkyDip created to repeal Hippostania's condemnation, the wording formalised that no one needed to follow the rules and resolutions of the World Assembly.


Look, I can argue with you all day about how disband it will do nothing, but this isn't the place for it. I'm not sure where it is though. I'm sure for SkyDip to be a few hours from being commended that the author didn't overlook anything more than his badass portrayal as said in the resolution.

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Postby Gordano and Lysandus » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:36 pm

This sort of behaviour is what warrants a huge overhaul in the World Assembly's operation in order to preserve its integrity. There's no point having it if it serves as nothing more than a badge giving organisation. It is meant to be a vehicle of international cooperation, human rights and change.
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Postby Riasy » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:45 pm

Gordano and Lysandus wrote:The point is, what SkyDip has done has made non-compliance a fully legalised norm, meaning the entire organisation is completely and fundamentally useless.

Let's not exaggerate, that clause from SCR #114 wasn’t operative clause, therefore it hasn't legalized non-compliance. But it obviously has sent the message that expecting compliance with WA resolutions is not realistic. This is very bad message, especially when it is expressed in the context of repealing the condemnation of nation accused in horrendous crimes.
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Postby Frisbeeteria » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:47 pm

Gordano and Lysandus wrote: I'm wondering if the World Assembly should be abolished and refounded so that an organisation that actually works can be operated. Y'know, so states can't imprison and torture people over political leanings.

Start a thread in Technical then. This isn't the place for this discussion. End the threadjack. Now.

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Postby Riasy » Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:59 pm

Frisbeeteria wrote:
Gordano and Lysandus wrote: I'm wondering if the World Assembly should be abolished and refounded so that an organisation that actually works can be operated. Y'know, so states can't imprison and torture people over political leanings.

Start a thread in Technical then. This isn't the place for this discussion. End the threadjack. Now.

OOC: I’m not trying to argue with Mod decision, but I want to point out he has posted the IC rant, not the actual OOC proposal.
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Postby Riasy » Sun Jul 21, 2013 10:05 pm

Commend SkyDip was passed 5,446 votes to 4,368.

And interestingly enough, this resolution was passed only thanks to votes of individual WA member nations. 5 minutes before voting has ended the count was 2,947 individual votes in support versus 1,310 individual votes against.
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