[PASSED] Repeal "Condemn Hippostania"

[The Republic of Lanos]

This resolution is passing and it's one of the worst of all times.

So now it's ok to commit war crimes while in the WA and claim you follow the regulations when you're not?

[SkyDip]

This resolution is passing and it's one of the worst of all times.

> passing
> worst of all time

[Auriga]

This resolution is passing and it's one of the worst of all times.

So now it's ok to commit war crimes while in the WA and claim you follow the regulations when you're not?

I am going to have to state that that is a serious over exaggeration. The lines in this resolution that bring concern simply state that it is "unrealistic" to expect all nations to adhere to every piece of legislation passed by the World Assembly. This is a flaw in any organization that has no way of enforcing its laws and relies on the compliance of members to enact laws. Also, the WA has passed a massive amount of legislation that dictates the internal mechanics of member nations. Given that the WA cannot know the specific needs of every nation at all times, it cannot be expected that every nation follow legislation that may not be in their best interest.

That being said, this does not allow war crimes to take place without punishment as that is not a matter of internal law but a matter of international security.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

This resolution is passing and it's one of the worst of all times.

So now it's ok to commit war crimes while in the WA and claim you follow the regulations when you're not?

I am going to have to state that that is a serious over exaggeration. The lines in this resolution that bring concern simply state that it is "unrealistic" to expect all nations to adhere to every piece of legislation passed by the World Assembly. This is a flaw in any organization that has no way of enforcing its laws and relies on the compliance of members to enact laws. Also, the WA has passed a massive amount of legislation that dictates the internal mechanics of member nations. Given that the WA cannot know the specific needs of every nation at all times, it cannot be expected that every nation follow legislation that may not be in their best interest.

That being said, this does not allow war crimes to take place without punishment as that is not a matter of internal law but a matter of international security.

See the TG's to you by the WA Compliance Commission. Clearly, noncompliance is a physical impossibility in gameplay.

This resolution is passing and it's one of the worst of all times.

So now it's ok to commit war crimes while in the WA and claim you follow the regulations when you're not?

That being said, this does not allow war crimes to take place without punishment as that is not a matter of internal law but a matter of international security.

Nope, this resolution basically condones war crimes and blatant infringement of the right to exist peacefully since it clearly states that expecting WA Member states to guarantee freedom of assembly by not dropping WP and napalm on them is unrealistic. Now, please inform this uneducated person how such action does not contravene the GA's mission statement of "Improving the World One Resolution at a Time".

Summa summarum: Smelling salt required.

[Riasy]

This resolution is passing and it's one of the worst of all times.

So now it's ok to commit war crimes while in the WA and claim you follow the regulations when you're not?

I am going to have to state that that is a serious over exaggeration. The lines in this resolution that bring concern simply state that it is "unrealistic" to expect all nations to adhere to every piece of legislation passed by the World Assembly. This is a flaw in any organization that has no way of enforcing its laws and relies on the compliance of members to enact laws. Also, the WA has passed a massive amount of legislation that dictates the internal mechanics of member nations. Given that the WA cannot know the specific needs of every nation at all times, it cannot be expected that every nation follow legislation that may not be in their best interest.

That being said, this does not allow war crimes to take place without punishment as that is not a matter of internal law but a matter of international security.

WA gnomes enforce all WA Resolutions, so it cannot be said that WA has absolutely no way to enforce its laws.

And you are also wrong that WA has greater ability to regulate international relations than domestic affairs of member nations. Gnomes enforce both Resolutions that affect domestic affairs and Resolutions that regulate international relations. Governments that are able to disobey WA Resolutions that regulate their domestic affairs are also possessing equal capability to disobey WA Resolutions that regulate international relations.

[East Klent]

Delegate Jarred Stevens stood to speak, "It is the view of our government that Hippostania has committed atrocious acts that warranted the original condemnation. As a delegate to the stagnant peace talks myself, I can say that no progress was made other than conflict was avoided."

"While I did vote in favor of the condemnation and against all subsequent repeal proposals, I must admit that the condemnation had little if any positive effects; the only obvious one was the retainment of ambassadors Hippostania enacted in reaction to the bill. I cannot in good conscience stand here and defend SCR number one hundred-seven as it would seem the receiving party did all but ignore it."

"However, the crimes committed are abhorrent and as such I do not wish to see the purpose of the bill be in vain; I therefore decide to abstain from voting."

[Terravoss]

This resolution is passing and it's one of the worst of all times.

So now it's ok to commit war crimes while in the WA and claim you follow the regulations when you're not?

You're preaching to the choir man. This repeal has nothing to do with the greater good, this is all about none other than Mr. Elias Greyjoy, and his egomania. What he saw was a condemnation, which he voiced no opposition to, it only passed by a thousand votes or so, and he wants another author tag. That is it, that is what this is ALLLLLLLLL about. Fuck, it took him three tries to repeal Quotes commendation, and he needed ALL of the feeder delegates to get that one through.

[The Republic of Lanos]

This resolution is passing and it's one of the worst of all times.

So now it's ok to commit war crimes while in the WA and claim you follow the regulations when you're not?

You're preaching to the choir man. This repeal has nothing to do with the greater good, this is all about none other than Mr. Elias Greyjoy, and his egomania. What he saw was a condemnation, which he voiced no opposition to, it only passed by a thousand votes or so, and he wants another author tag. That is it, that is what this is ALLLLLLLLL about. Fuck, it took him three tries to repeal Quotes commendation, and he needed ALL of the feeder delegates to get that one through.

Well at least now we're given clearance to commit as much war crimes/genocide/etc. as long as we claim and lie to the gnomes that we're obeying the resolutions when it's far from the truth.

For shame.

[SkyDip]

This resolution is passing and it's one of the worst of all times.

So now it's ok to commit war crimes while in the WA and claim you follow the regulations when you're not?

You're preaching to the choir man. This repeal has nothing to do with the greater good, this is all about none other than Mr. Elias Greyjoy, and his egomania. What he saw was a condemnation, which he voiced no opposition to, it only passed by a thousand votes or so, and he wants another author tag. That is it, that is what this is ALLLLLLLLL about. Fuck, it took him three tries to repeal Quotes commendation, and he needed ALL of the feeder delegates to get that one through.

Aye, that one was a bit of a stickler.

Furthermore, I think you may want to check your numbers. The Condemnation passed by a mere 133 votes.

[Terravoss]

You're preaching to the choir man. This repeal has nothing to do with the greater good, this is all about none other than Mr. Elias Greyjoy, and his egomania. What he saw was a condemnation, which he voiced no opposition to, it only passed by a thousand votes or so, and he wants another author tag. That is it, that is what this is ALLLLLLLLL about. Fuck, it took him three tries to repeal Quotes commendation, and he needed ALL of the feeder delegates to get that one through.

Aye, that one was a bit of a stickler.

Furthermore, I think you may want to check your numbers. The Condemnation passed by a mere 133 votes.

Semantics and you know it. The rest of my statement is the gospel truth, and you don't deny any of it. Such a shame, but well played sir.

[SkyDip]

Mobile doesn't afford me the pleasure of getting extraordinarily long responses, no. I apologize for that.

[Novaterra]

Mobile doesn't afford me the pleasure of getting extraordinarily long responses, no. I apologize for that.

Certainly, you can swear to that. When you write longer, are worse. But teach them to fish is better than giving fish. Easy Europeian recipe:

"Take an appropriate response. Scrape it logical arguments. Peel any courtesy. If very long yet, replace with a fallacy.

Serve with haughtiness, accompanied by derogatory comments. "

[SkyDip]

I should let you know, I have no idea what you're saying. I've added you to my ignore list, so your posts aren't displayed.

[Terravoss]

I should let you know, I have no idea what you're saying. I've added you to my ignore list, so your posts aren't displayed.

Like I said, you set the ignore cannon to full auto, because you can't argue back against a logical response.

[SkyDip]

That, or I was tired reiterating the same point to someone who clearly does not speak English as a primary language. *shrug*

[Virana]

That, or I was tired reiterating the same point to someone who clearly does not speak English as a primary language. *shrug*

Who gives a shit what their primary language is? If they're making valid points, it's common courtesy to acknowledge their arguments and formulate a reasonable response. By ignoring those who oppose your views, you're setting a really terrible example.

[SkyDip]

That, or I was tired reiterating the same point to someone who clearly does not speak English as a primary language. *shrug*

Who gives a shit what their primary language is? If they're making valid points, it's common courtesy to acknowledge their arguments and formulate a reasonable response. By ignoring those who oppose your views, you're setting a really terrible example.

Lawd, what ever will the children think? *faints*

I tried my hardest for a good two pages. Couldn't do it. Use of the ignore list, as the moderators often say, is better than flaming.

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Who gives a shit what their primary language is? If they're making valid points, it's common courtesy to acknowledge their arguments and formulate a reasonable response. By ignoring those who oppose your views, you're setting a really terrible example.

Lawd, what ever will the children think? *faints*

I tried my hardest for a good two pages. Couldn't do it. Use of the ignore list, as the moderators often say, is better than flaming.

And You Sir, are flamebaiting. :v

[SkyDip]

Lawd, what ever will the children think? *faints*

I tried my hardest for a good two pages. Couldn't do it. Use of the ignore list, as the moderators often say, is better than flaming.

And You Sir, are flamebaiting. :v

Can't say I agree with that, but go ahead and report away if you need to.

[Auriga]

I am going to have to state that that is a serious over exaggeration. The lines in this resolution that bring concern simply state that it is "unrealistic" to expect all nations to adhere to every piece of legislation passed by the World Assembly. This is a flaw in any organization that has no way of enforcing its laws and relies on the compliance of members to enact laws. Also, the WA has passed a massive amount of legislation that dictates the internal mechanics of member nations. Given that the WA cannot know the specific needs of every nation at all times, it cannot be expected that every nation follow legislation that may not be in their best interest.

That being said, this does not allow war crimes to take place without punishment as that is not a matter of internal law but a matter of international security.

See the TG's to you by the WA Compliance Commission. Clearly, noncompliance is a physical impossibility in gameplay.

That being said, this does not allow war crimes to take place without punishment as that is not a matter of internal law but a matter of international security.

Nope, this resolution basically condones war crimes and blatant infringement of the right to exist peacefully since it clearly states that expecting WA Member states to guarantee freedom of assembly by not dropping WP and napalm on them is unrealistic. Now, please inform this uneducated person how such action does not contravene the GA's mission statement of "Improving the World One Resolution at a Time".

Summa summarum: Smelling salt required.

In response to your first statement, perhaps I am talking the fact that this is a game a little too far. If we were to act as if the world of Nationstates were real, then the World Assembly would have no power beyond what its members were willing to give it. But you are correct in that it is in the game's code to force compliance with a World Assembly resolution. My apologies for trying to play a online political game.

In response to your second statement, I have to say you are quite wrong. War crimes are a matter of international security and are under the jurisdiction of the World Assembly. It would be a breach of that security if some nation were to drop bombs on another nation's people. Such actions are clearly on the international level because it is between two distinct nations, it would be quite ignorant to call such a crisis an internal affair. The internal affairs of nations are not under the jurisdiction of the WA because it has no way of forcing a nation into compliance without having another member enact a state of war. An action that would completely contradict you mission of "improving the world one resolution at a time."

That being said, there is a certain point were if a nation begins using certain inhuman measures against its own people that the matter becomes one of human rights violations. And if the protests of the people in said nation turn into a civil war then charges of war crimes could be carried out. That is one of the rare cases where the WA does have the power to interfere in the internal mechanics of a member nation. The wording in this resolution simply states that it is unreasonable for every nation to follow every provision of every resolution, many of which are interfering with the internal affairs of members nations in a way that may not exactly be positive or necessary.

[Pravengria]

As far as I'm concerned, I abide by some things the WA passes, helps with nation management I suppose. Then there are things I don't abide by via rping it. Whether or not it's implemented in the game to force nations in the code to abide, doesn't mean I have to abide by everything they pass. Examples being from Chemical and Nuclear weapons, Torture, Considering civilian casualties as only a statistic and collateral. The WA can ban and repeal those all they want, I'm still going to use Torture, Make and Sell Chemical weapons, and if civilian targets are in the way...oh well. And if and when a nation finally catches me, then it creates a fun RP opportunity for not obeying the WA.

So you guys can argue it all you want, but regardless there will be those of us who choose to not follow everything that's passed. It's nationstates, it's an rp game. Compared to IRL, some countries have done such in the UN. Sue me. Now people have stated, ''Well why don't you just leave then blah blah blah.'' Well, I don't want to for the possible rp that could arouse out of it if it comes. That and it's nice to be apart of a collective group and see exactly how others work and such.

[Sciongrad]

This resolution is passing and it's one of the worst of all times.

While some of the arguments used are certainly unconvincing (and, admittedly, incorrect), I don't think the repeal itself is bad. I, personally, would support a repeal of the condemnation - I, along with many others, simply think some of the arguments used are wrong. And yes, SkyDip, I'm Conno. Just using a new nation.

By that, he meant that yes - all WA members are not only expected to, but are obligated to abide by all laws passed by it. You even get the snazzy little telegram stating that the laws of your nation have changed immediately following the passage of a resolution. While role-playing non-compliance certainly doesn't warrant a condemnation, I can't, in good faith, support a resolution that relies on the argument that non-compliance is okay.

That may all be true, but my snark was aimed more at the GA than at Skyrim; specifically, the Compliance Commission's tyrannical bent and insistence that members follow all GA statutes, no matter how boneheaded, moronic or unreasonable (or even contradictory). So yeah, maybe in the realm of "RL reasonableness," members shouldn't be expected to follow all the GA's screwy laws, but the GA expects it all the same, and then some.

I would also add a proviso that roleplaying noncompliance, while a touchy subject in the WA forums, is definitely not unheard of in the Diplomacy forums, so...yeah. Refereeing II/NS actions according to GA conventions is not always good.

I agree that the rule can definitely be silly. The fact that the WA could, at a moment's notice, pass a resolution that demands that all nations replace their alphabet with Prince's love symbol or something is just a little bit flawed, so I agree in the sense that the strict adherence is moronic. I just don't like the idea of the SC saying that member nations can violate a few resolutions once in a while. Seems sort of self-destructive for the WA to justify non-compliance. And I feel like roleplaying non-compliance in II isn't that big of a deal anyway. I think most people that have a problem with non-compliance in the first place just dislike it when nations go around the GA forum roleplaying non-compliance.

[Novaterra]

It appears that there are people who added me on ignore list, but read what I write. Also, do not understand what I say, but gets very angry. I have spoken IC at all times. I repeat my apologies for my english.

We're getting to where I wanted. The resolution still considered guilty Hippostania. It introduces just a novelty: undermine the authority of WA.

As I said, this may start an interesting legal way. I think the author has experience and is accustomed to analyzing and criticism of resolutions. No sloppy, is deliberate.

So, I think that those who are favor of a WA and SC capable of making decisions and enforce them, we may initiate proceedings against corrupt officials. It would be a must.

[Pravengria]

It appears that there are people who added me on ignore list, but read what I write. Also, do not understand what I say, but gets very angry. I have spoken IC at all times. I repeat my apologies for my english.

We're getting to where I wanted. The resolution still considered guilty Hippostania. It introduces just a novelty: undermine the authority of WA.

As I said, this may start an interesting legal way. I think the author has experience and is accustomed to analyzing and criticism of resolutions. No sloppy, is deliberate.

So, I think that those who are favor of a WA and SC capable of making decisions and enforce them, we may initiate proceedings against corrupt officials. It would be a must.

If people have blocked you because of your English than that's pure ignorance. Considering it isn't my first language either, I know how it feels.

[Novaterra]

If people have blocked you because of your English than that's pure ignorance. Considering it isn't my first language either, I know how it feels.

Thank you. I try hard quite so that you can understand me. I can not do more, my conscience is clear about this. Anyway, this is a global assembly, isn't it? Let us make an effort to understand each other, I do.

... and make another effort to eliminate corruption from this institution. I think SkyDip -by his senator-
use the prestige WA gives, to undermine the foundations of the same WA. SkyDip not played fair with the Assembly. They have taken advantage of the trust that the delegates put in their work, in their sole benefit. SkyDip Senator tells us here that international security is a simple matter of medals.

There are times when we must demand accountability. We must fight corruption.