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Of the Free Socialist Territories
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:00 am

Well there we are. It's passed. 8,721 in favour, 4,164 opposed.
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Postby Astarial » Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:02 am

Corageland wrote:A Nazi is as i said before a member of the National Socialist party, this has no set policy towards genocide.


If you can say with a straight face that a particular person, party, or ideology has "no set policy" on genocide, you are quite literally saying that that person, party, or ideology is in favor of genocide under certain situations.

You're not really helping your case here, and may consider setting a policy - I'd recommend "AGAINST".
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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:05 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:Well there we are. It's passed. 8,721 in favour, 4,164 opposed.

Did you also get the figures for indivdiual nations voting, as well as the delegate-weighted figures?
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:06 am

The delegate weighted figures are all that matter, BA. The number of actual nations voting is wholly irrelevant.
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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:11 am

Cerian Quilor wrote:The delegate weighted figures are all that matter, BA. The number of actual nations voting is wholly irrelevant.

But, to some of us, interesting...
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:18 am

But useless.
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The Thing to Remember About NationStates is that it is an almost entirely social game - fundamentally, you have no power beyond your own ability to convince people to go along with your ideas. In that sense, even the most dictatorial region is fundamentally democratic.

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Postby Terravoss » Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:26 am

I must say congratulations are in order. Not only have you managed to destroy Nazi Europe, you have also managed to completely shred any credibility the Security Council had left.

I must also congratulate the mods. The amount of flaming and flame-baiting that has gone on in this thread unpunished has been a thrill to watch.
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:27 am

Terravoss wrote:I must say congratulations are in order. Not only have you managed to destroy Nazi Europe, you have also managed to completely shred any credibility the Security Council had left.

I must also congratulate the mods. The amount of flaming and flame-baiting that has gone on in this thread unpunished has been a thrill to watch.

Last time I checked, NE was still around.

(Not saying that's a /good/ thing, btw. I really don't care)
Never underestimate the power of cynicism, pessimism and negativity to prevent terrible things from happening. Only idealists try to build the future on a mountain of bodies.

The Thing to Remember About NationStates is that it is an almost entirely social game - fundamentally, you have no power beyond your own ability to convince people to go along with your ideas. In that sense, even the most dictatorial region is fundamentally democratic.

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Postby Jamie Anumia » Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:30 am

Terravoss wrote:I must also congratulate the mods. The amount of flaming and flame-baiting that has gone on in this thread unpunished has been a thrill to watch.

Why not report it then? If you think there's rule-breaking, then you could report it in the moderation forum.
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Postby The divided » Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:35 am

Terravoss wrote:I must say congratulations are in order. Not only have you managed to destroy Nazi Europe, you have also managed to completely shred any credibility the Security Council had left.

I must also congratulate the mods. The amount of flaming and flame-baiting that has gone on in this thread unpunished has been a thrill to watch.


nonsense. This day will be a glorious one!

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Postby Rupture Farms co » Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:16 am

The divided wrote:
Terravoss wrote:I must say congratulations are in order. Not only have you managed to destroy Nazi Europe, you have also managed to completely shred any credibility the Security Council had left.

I must also congratulate the mods. The amount of flaming and flame-baiting that has gone on in this thread unpunished has been a thrill to watch.


nonsense. This day will be a glorious one!

When we rout you.

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Postby The Gregorach » Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:10 pm

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The Gregorach wrote:When I was in the Navy, one of the worst things you could say about someone was that they were a buddyfucker. That shoe fits you. Might not be personal for you, but you tried to betray a region had longstanding ties to yours.


I think in order for me to be a Blue Falcon, I would have had to actually be your buddy. That was the mistaken assumption here. The only reason why Lone Wolves United had any relations with Nazi Europe at all was because of Oh My Days. It was him who I would call a buddy and a fellow raider, but not anyone active in Nazi Europe at the moment, although German Dragons is starting to change my opinion about that. I don't know any of you from a complete and total stranger and Nazi Europe has completely isolated itself from the NS world and raider community as a whole due to the extream(ly well placed) paranoia of its remaining members.

The Gregorach wrote:I'd also think that the move violated the doctrine of Raider Unity, which if memory serves is a doctrine you support.


That depends largely as to whether or not you would still consider, or in some cases ever consider, Nazi Europe to be raider. I would say that majority consensus, even amongst strict adherers to the principles of Raider Unity, which I consider myself one of, is no, with my additional caveat being "not currently". Individual members might still be raiding under other flags, but I am unaware of the last time Nazi Europe actually raided anything in earnest, and throwing up the "Invader" tag does not magically make your region raider. It is a designation to be earned through action, not declared, and Nazi Europe will have plenty of opportunity in the coming days to earn the title.


Yeah, well it's kind of hard to raid other regions when your own is wide open and the threat of outright destruction, as opposed to the jacking up of the RMB and embassies that normally occurs to the target of raids. If we'd had any friends, now...
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Postby The Duat (Ancient) » Sat Mar 16, 2013 6:41 pm

Go to NAZI EUROPE. Endorse the rightful delegate; German Dragons. Do it now.

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Postby Llywlaon » Sat Mar 16, 2013 7:46 pm

Let the hypocrites come. :hug:

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Postby The North Polish Union » Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:27 pm

The Duat wrote:Go to NAZI EUROPE. Dont Endorse the dictatorial delegate; German Dragons. Troll their RMB and endorse someone else. Do it now, before LCG starts "vhipping" people and taking them to his dungeons.

:clap:
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Postby Afforess » Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:30 pm

This is how Democracy dies - with thunderous applause.
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Postby The Duat (Ancient) » Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:46 pm

The North Polish Union wrote:
The Duat wrote:Go to NAZI EUROPE. Dont Endorse the dictatorial delegate; German Dragons. Troll their RMB and endorse someone else. Do it now, before LCG starts "vhipping" people and taking them to his dungeons.

:clap:


Let's you not try to troll me instead, ok champ?

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Postby Frisbeeteria » Sat Mar 16, 2013 11:34 pm

The North Polish Union wrote:
The Duat wrote:Go to NAZI EUROPE. Dont Endorse the dictatorial delegate; German Dragons. Troll their RMB and endorse someone else. Do it now, before LCG starts "vhipping" people and taking them to his dungeons.

:clap:

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Postby Galiantus II » Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:08 pm

Afforess wrote:This is how Democracy dies - with thunderous applause.

Love the Star Wars reference. This is so true!
(P.S. I think it is 'liberty' not 'democracy')

I used to have this quote in my signature:

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch." - Benjamin Franklin
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sun Mar 17, 2013 8:41 pm

Galiantus II wrote:
Afforess wrote:This is how Democracy dies - with thunderous applause.

Love the Star Wars reference. This is so true!
(P.S. I think it is 'liberty' not 'democracy')

I used to have this quote in my signature:

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch." - Benjamin Franklin

Which is wy the WA is the purest possible democracy here.
Never underestimate the power of cynicism, pessimism and negativity to prevent terrible things from happening. Only idealists try to build the future on a mountain of bodies.

The Thing to Remember About NationStates is that it is an almost entirely social game - fundamentally, you have no power beyond your own ability to convince people to go along with your ideas. In that sense, even the most dictatorial region is fundamentally democratic.

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Postby Galiantus II » Mon Mar 18, 2013 5:54 am

Cerian Quilor wrote:
Galiantus II wrote:Love the Star Wars reference. This is so true!
(P.S. I think it is 'liberty' not 'democracy')

I used to have this quote in my signature:

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for lunch." - Benjamin Franklin

Which is wy the WA is the purest possible democracy here.


Well the delegates have inflated votes, so it isn't exactly 'pure' democracy. The purest form of democracy on NS is the election of regional delegates, but it is because of this intermediate process that the WA is not a pure democracy.
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:25 am

The existence of endocaps hardly means that regional delegates are capable of being democratically elected where the sitting delegate doesn't want them too.
Never underestimate the power of cynicism, pessimism and negativity to prevent terrible things from happening. Only idealists try to build the future on a mountain of bodies.

The Thing to Remember About NationStates is that it is an almost entirely social game - fundamentally, you have no power beyond your own ability to convince people to go along with your ideas. In that sense, even the most dictatorial region is fundamentally democratic.

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Postby Galiantus II » Mon Mar 18, 2013 6:45 am

Cerian Quilor wrote:The existence of endocaps hardly means that regional delegates are capable of being democratically elected where the sitting delegate doesn't want them too.

That's sort of what I was trying to say - delegate elections are the purest form of democray in NS, but because of the inflated votes gained through these elections, resolutions are not truely a democratic ordeal.

However, my main point was that democracy by itself or in these situations is more a monster ('mob rule' as you and I like to call it) than a freind.
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Mon Mar 18, 2013 7:59 am

The election of WADs in of itself is not some sort of pure form of democracy.
Never underestimate the power of cynicism, pessimism and negativity to prevent terrible things from happening. Only idealists try to build the future on a mountain of bodies.

The Thing to Remember About NationStates is that it is an almost entirely social game - fundamentally, you have no power beyond your own ability to convince people to go along with your ideas. In that sense, even the most dictatorial region is fundamentally democratic.

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Postby Mad Jack » Mon Mar 18, 2013 9:43 am

The Duat wrote:If this garbage passes, I'll resign my membership in the World Assembly. This is simply shameful.

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The Duat wrote:If this garbage passes, I'll resign my membership in the World Assembly. This is simply shameful.

This.
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The Duat wrote:If this garbage passes, I'll resign my membership in the World Assembly. This is simply shameful.

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