[PASSED] Liberate Nazi Europe

[SkyDip]

And yet your region is voting 55-18 in favour and Vinage is throwing his 319 votes wholeheartedly behind this. Hypocritical much?

Not at all. Believe it or not, that one voice does not the majority of Europeia represent. Kind of a fun concept once you wrap your brain around it.

[Galiantus II]

The fact that you are wrong will only enlarge the group who is angry at you, and although this group will include Nazis, it will include many more minorities besides them.

Will it really? I'm not convinced.

And Unibot is right - when you take down someone's living space, all you do is make them angry. You give them more reason to act, and in this case, you give them more ability to act. This is an explosive situation. You and the other GCRs are playing with fire...and gasoline.

I'm terrified.

Truly.

So you don't deny the amount of power you are throwing around. You don't deny that you are making war mostly for the convenience of your RMB. This has got to be the most selfish act I have witnessed in NationStates: you making war on the Nazi regions will only anger them more, and they will have no problem creating an endless supply of nations for the sole purpose of flooding your RMB in retaliation.

[Mad Jack]

Not the only reason. They also tried fucking with Haven.

And were they successful? NO!

I never said they were good at it.

Feux, Jack cut the shit, grow a set of balls and just admit the only reason you are going after them is because of their name (which gains you support from the idiot lemmings) and you think they are adspammers (which they are NOT).

Uhm, I never said they were adspammers. I don't even hate them. But I want them to burn for fucking with Haven and, well, generally existing.

We all know you guys hate adspammers, and this is just the first step in what I see of you guys flooding the SC with horseshit "Liberation" proposals of adspammer regions so you can shut them down.

Well that's not a bad idea is it?

Thanks Terravoss, I'll be sure to include your name in every one of these liberations.

[Mad Jack]

Will it really? I'm not convinced. I'm terrified.

Truly.

So you don't deny the amount of power you are throwing around. You don't deny that you are making war mostly for the convenience of your RMB.

Yep.

This has got to be the most selfish act I have witnessed in NationStates: you making war on the Nazi regions will only anger them more, and they will have no problem creating an endless supply of nations for the sole purpose of flooding your RMB in retaliation.

And then they'd be breaking the site rules and deleted wouldn't they?

[Galiantus II]

So you don't deny the amount of power you are throwing around. You don't deny that you are making war mostly for the convenience of your RMB.

Yep.

This has got to be the most selfish act I have witnessed in NationStates: you making war on the Nazi regions will only anger them more, and they will have no problem creating an endless supply of nations for the sole purpose of flooding your RMB in retaliation.

And then they'd be breaking the site rules and deleted wouldn't they?

There is such a thing as multiple regions, you know. If they really wanted, they could split up into multiple regions and ensure your RMBs always had 3 ads on them.

[Mad Jack]

Yep. And then they'd be breaking the site rules and deleted wouldn't they?

There is such a thing as multiple regions, you know. If they really wanted, they could split up into multiple regions and ensure your RMBs always had 3 ads on them.

They could try. We'd get them in the end.

[SkyDip]

Yep. And then they'd be breaking the site rules and deleted wouldn't they?

There is such a thing as multiple regions, you know. If they really wanted, they could split up into multiple regions and ensure your RMBs always had 3 ads on them.

Again, detectable by the moderation team. But I'm not sure what this has to do with the proposal at hand.

[Galiantus II]

There is such a thing as multiple regions, you know. If they really wanted, they could split up into multiple regions and ensure your RMBs always had 3 ads on them.

They could try. We'd get them in the end.

NE is a distinctly separate entity than GGR. There are more Nazi regions besides those two, who are distinct. If they wanted to focus on decorating your RMBs they could easily do so.

[Mad Jack]

They could try. We'd get them in the end.

NE is a distinctly separate entity than GGR. There are more Nazi regions besides those two, who are distinct. If they wanted to focus on decorating your RMBs they could easily do so.

They're too busy infighting.

Either way, we'd win in the end.

You see, we GCRs are permanent. UCRs, generally, aren't. They'll come a time when GGR, the Realm, all the others, they all go founderless in the end.

And then we'll have them.

[Galiantus II]

NE is a distinctly separate entity than GGR. There are more Nazi regions besides those two, who are distinct. If they wanted to focus on decorating your RMBs they could easily do so.

They're too busy infighting.

I guess we'll see if they stay that way when Nazi Europe gets nuked, then.

Either way, we'd win in the end.

Denial ain't just a river, Pharaoh.

You see, we GCRs are permanent. UCRs, generally, aren't. They'll come a time when GGR, the Realm, all the others, they all go founderless in the end.

The regions are permanent. The people in them and the power arangement within them is not. Although you GCR regimes sure have a long lifespan, you can still decay, suffer catastrophe, and be changed from within, to serve the purpose of a new master.

And then we'll have them.

You can destroy the regions of your enemies. You can ravage the regions of the players who build their own, rather than take what they are given, but you will never eliminate an idea.

[Mad Jack]

They're too busy infighting.

I guess we'll see if they stay that way when Nazi Europe gets nuked, then.

Indeed.

Either way, we'd win in the end.

Denial ain't just a river, Pharaoh.

It's also something you're in.

The regions are permanent. The people in them and the power arangement within them is not. Although you GCR regimes sure have a long lifespan, you can still decay, suffer catastrophe, and be changed from within, to serve the purpose of a new master.

And if you think that new master will be more accepting of badspam than we are?

I'm just the new face of an old idea.

And then we'll have them.

You can destroy the regions of your enemies. You can ravage the regions of the players who build their own, rather than take what they are given, but you will never eliminate an idea.

It's a start.

[Boiohaemum]

Voting AGAINST this resolution. Why? Not because I support Nazi´s. Personaly hate them. But as far as creators of this resolution may consider it as a democratic act and something for the good of the world, i dont share their view. Well it is against democracy.

If Nazi Europe wants to protect their own region from unwanted nations that do not share their ideology or they just want a limited number of members, it is their right to do so. Why to force them to be open to everybody than? To destroy them? Why? If they invade other regions than the World Assembly can act through the Security Council. But let them live as other regions.

Question for you voting FOR. In what way are you better than the other raiders (nations or regions).

If this resolution passes and you manage to invade them and destroy them. Than i guess there should be a new resolution aimed against you.

[Fonzopolis]

Do you all see this?
The blatant arrogance?
The god complex?
They are admittedly doing this because they can and don't care that there is no grounds for this or the precedent this sets.

We can not allow this to stand!

[Wheeled States of Bifid]

The problem is that those who support this are aware of their hypocrisy and are acting on what is in essence an ideological ban or simply out of boredom. Both of those reasons are beneath this assembly.

[Franciscus I]

Mathew 26,52 “Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword."

[Fonzopolis]

The problem is that those who support this are aware of their hypocrisy and are acting on what is in essence an ideological ban or simply out of boredom. Both of those reasons are beneath this assembly.

Couldn't agree more.

[Xarxis]

...wait, why the hell are you interested in taking over a region with only 14 nations in it?

*points at the first page of regions (by pop.) under the Founderless tag*
Any of those would be more worthwhile targets. Hell, two of them - Lazarus and Osiris are already yours, with extremely strict endorsement caps.

Why not take the five Pacifics if you want to rule NS so badly?

[Discoveria]

As WA Delegate for Gay, I have been directed to vote against the resolution at this time. The reasons are variable. But a number of WA nations feel that supporting what is essentially a WA-sanctioned preparatory step towards a raid on NAZI EUROPE is contrary to Gay's neutral position with regard to raiding/defending.

[Lowell Leber]

Oh, so you ADMIT to conspiring against Nazi Europe! Glad you could all come to a 'consensus' on this, because it doesn't change the fact that you are doing this purely out of a dislike of a particular group of players who happen to be friendly with the region (GGR) who likes advertising on your RMBs. Fine. So just because you are among the most powerful players in the game means it is okay to bully someone, essentially, just because you can. This doesn't just go for you, this goes for 1) the auther, 2) every delegate who approved it, and 3) everyone who votes for it, to the magnitude of however many votes they have.

Gays, Jews, and other targets of Nazi hate shouldn't have to deal with the presence of Nazis when they play NationStates. They are the bullies here.

It would be better if the NationStates mods didn't allow Nazi Europe, GGR, and similar regions to exist. Failing that, the next best thing is to make in-game existence for Nazis as miserable as the rules of the game will allow. This resolution is a positive step in that direction.

It's disappointing that so many players -- including quite a few whom I respect -- have elevated in-game R/D ideology over RL decency.

RL decency...really? This isn't real life, its a game. According to the viewpoint of you and those of your ilk, I am supporting Nazism anytime I play as the Axis side in Axis and Allies (A board game if your unfamiliar with the reference). The thing is I am ok with people playing power politics in a political simulation game, but they shouldnt carry on as they are landing on the beaches of Normandy to liberate Europe. Bottom line is, this has nothing to do with morality whatsoever. If this was proposed with language stating the true motivations of this proposal (destroy Nazi Europe because we can), then I would probably vote for out of respect for such honesty. As it stands, this proposal is crap.

[Nicer potlimitomaha]

Oh, so you ADMIT to conspiring against Nazi Europe! Glad you could all come to a 'consensus' on this, because it doesn't change the fact that you are doing this purely out of a dislike of a particular group of players who happen to be friendly with the region (GGR) who likes advertising on your RMBs. Fine. So just because you are among the most powerful players in the game means it is okay to bully someone, essentially, just because you can. This doesn't just go for you, this goes for 1) the auther, 2) every delegate who approved it, and 3) everyone who votes for it, to the magnitude of however many votes they have.

Gays, Jews, and other targets of Nazi hate shouldn't have to deal with the presence of Nazis when they play NationStates. They are the bullies here.

It would be better if the NationStates mods didn't allow Nazi Europe, GGR, and similar regions to exist. Failing that, the next best thing is to make in-game existence for Nazis as miserable as the rules of the game will allow. This resolution is a positive step in that direction.

It's disappointing that so many players -- including quite a few whom I respect -- have elevated in-game R/D ideology over RL decency.

You just read my mind. clap clap clap -Raberte Tamis, Potlimitomaha Ambassador to the WA

[Mad Jack]

Gays, Jews, and other targets of Nazi hate shouldn't have to deal with the presence of Nazis when they play NationStates. They are the bullies here.

It would be better if the NationStates mods didn't allow Nazi Europe, GGR, and similar regions to exist. Failing that, the next best thing is to make in-game existence for Nazis as miserable as the rules of the game will allow. This resolution is a positive step in that direction.

It's disappointing that so many players -- including quite a few whom I respect -- have elevated in-game R/D ideology over RL decency.

RL decency...really? This isn't real life, its a game. According to the viewpoint of you and those of your ilk, I am supporting Nazism anytime I play as the Axis side in Axis and Allies (A board game if your unfamiliar with the reference). The thing is I am ok with people playing power politics in a political simulation game, but they shouldnt carry on as they are landing on the beaches of Normandy to liberate Europe. Bottom line is, this has nothing to do with morality whatsoever. If this was proposed with language stating the true motivations of this proposal (destroy Nazi Europe because we can), then I would probably vote for out of respect for such honesty. As it stands, this proposal is crap.

Crap... and passing with a huge majority.

[Lowell Leber]

RL decency...really? This isn't real life, its a game. According to the viewpoint of you and those of your ilk, I am supporting Nazism anytime I play as the Axis side in Axis and Allies (A board game if your unfamiliar with the reference). The thing is I am ok with people playing power politics in a political simulation game, but they shouldnt carry on as they are landing on the beaches of Normandy to liberate Europe. Bottom line is, this has nothing to do with morality whatsoever. If this was proposed with language stating the true motivations of this proposal (destroy Nazi Europe because we can), then I would probably vote for out of respect for such honesty. As it stands, this proposal is crap.

Crap... and passing with a huge majority.

I will grant you that.

[Mad Jack]

Crap... and passing with a huge majority.

I will grant you that.

^__^

[Kahchi]

Oh man, this is a hilarious thread.

I must admit that I am enjoying observing Galiantus' participation in this debate, because if he had fulfilled his funnily vocal and futile vow to destroy the World Assembly in 2012 like he said he would, this couldn't have happened.

I'm talking fire and brimstone coming down from the skies. Rivers and seas boiling! Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes, the dead rising from the grave, human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together, mass hysteria!

All right, all right. I get the point!

...wait, why the hell are you interested in taking over a region with only 14 nations in it?

*points at the first page of regions (by pop.) under the Founderless tag*
Any of those would be more worthwhile targets. Hell, two of them - Lazarus and Osiris are already yours, with extremely strict endorsement caps.

Why not take the five Pacifics if you want to rule NS so badly?

With all due respect, you don't seem to know what you're talking about, and I strongly encourage you to read through this thread again before making posts like this. Why would the legal delegates of the Pacifics ands the sinkers want to take over themselves?

As WA Delegate for Gay, I have been directed to vote against the resolution at this time. The reasons are variable. But a number of WA nations feel that supporting what is essentially a WA-sanctioned preparatory step towards a raid on NAZI EUROPE is contrary to Gay's neutral position with regard to raiding/defending.

If Gay wants to be neutral, it should definitely consider abstaining from the vote.

[Vladisvok Destino]

Gays, Jews, and other targets of Nazi hate shouldn't have to deal with the presence of Nazis when they play NationStates. They are the bullies here.

It would be better if the NationStates mods didn't allow Nazi Europe, GGR, and similar regions to exist. Failing that, the next best thing is to make in-game existence for Nazis as miserable as the rules of the game will allow. This resolution is a positive step in that direction.

It's disappointing that so many players -- including quite a few whom I respect -- have elevated in-game R/D ideology over RL decency.

You just read my mind. clap clap clap -Raberte Tamis, Potlimitomaha Ambassador to the WA

Something tells me that you aren't really in a position to be supporting posts about whether or not people should be allowed to be on Nationstates.