[PASSED] Liberate Nazi Europe

[Galiantus II]

Precedents? Lol.

I don't think this can be pulled off to often to be honest.

What? The argument about precidents, or your resolution? Probably not your resolution, though, because it already has over 6,000 votes and is leading by over 4,000 votes.

[SkyDip]

And the UDL is barring it's members from fighting those same Nazi groups on the offensive. Tantamount to collaboration some would say.

Careful there, Godwin.

[Mad Jack]

And the UDL is barring it's members from fighting those same Nazi groups on the offensive. Tantamount to collaboration some would say.

Careful there, Godwin.

Not a Godwin. I'd suggest you actually go read up on what Godwinning is.

[SkyDip]

Careful there, Godwin.

Not a Godwin. I'd suggest you actually go read up on what Godwinning is.

Collaboration with Nazis = stones throw from "are Nazis." The ratio grows closer to 1.

[Netherheim]

here goes to hoping this resolution is going to bite its proposer and the supporters in the ass in some way.

[Feux]

Precedents? Lol.

I don't think this can be pulled off to often to be honest.

What? The argument about precidents, or your resolution? Probably not your resolution, though, because it already has over 6,000 votes and is leading by over 4,000 votes.

You're implying because this passes, it will open the doors for others. To be honest, I really don't see that happening. Like, at all.

[Galiantus II]

This is just some GCR delegates thinking they're being really cool and humanitarian by making life difficult for NAZI EUROPE. Regular Nazi Hunters.

This has nothing to do with 'being really cool and humanitarian' and everything to do with Nazi Europe existing. We don't want them to exist. For me this is because they broke rule 1 and up until recently were allied with GGR and other badspamming Nazis.

The only reason it matters to you that Nazi Europe exists is because they are a weak organization you can say has connections with adspammers, which you and the other GCRs wish to destroy. If the GCRs ever come into an agreement to take down certain regions you consider to be their enemies, it will not be hard to imagine them using their inflated votes to buy nukes from the Security Council. As of yet, you claim that would never happen. But the problem with that argument is that it IS happening. If you guys find fault with the Nazis, you will eventually find fault with others. And the fact that you are sticking together on this issue is particularly dangerous.

Out of all this, we're getting more Nazi groups lately and -bigger- Nazi groups too. GCRs could help the cause against Nazism by not actively and aggressively pursuing Nazism.

Um, how does that help the cause?

It adds fuel to the fire. It gives the Nazis a reason to spend time and power trying to take you over. Frankly, it gives a lot of us who dislike this breech of sovereignty by a handful of players good reasons to prepare to defend ourselves and form armies for the purpose of defending against you.

Instead they're just leaving defender groups to take care of the regions getting devastated by these new, "super-charged" Nazi groups.

And the UDL is barring it's members from fighting those same Nazi groups on the offensive. Tantamount to collaboration some would say.

You are taking that completely out of context. While it would perhaps be better if UDL kept real-life politics out of the way of defending, they have a legitimate reason for not compelling troops to defend Nazi regions. Some defenders have moral convictions against defending Nazis, and although I am sure Unibot will personally try to defend Nazi Europe from your grasp, he realizes the feelings of his followers and listens to them.

Despite that I misread your argument in the previous paragraph, it should be noted that the UDL has regulations against any of its members participating in raiding AT ALL. The rule applies to all regions in general; in fact, Nazis are less protected by the UDL than any other type of vulnerable region.

[Fonzopolis]

here goes to hoping this resolution is going to bite its proposer and the supporters in the ass in some way.

Raises Scotch glass

Here Here!

[Imperium of Tanith]

First off, there should be a rule against abusing Liberations like this.

*Ambassador Mkoll turns his attention to Feux

I hope you know what your starting Feux, and I will laugh once this comes back to haunt you.

Also, since you started this, I hope you step on a Lego.

[Mad Jack]

This has nothing to do with 'being really cool and humanitarian' and everything to do with Nazi Europe existing. We don't want them to exist. For me this is because they broke rule 1 and up until recently were allied with GGR and other badspamming Nazis.

The only reason it matters to you that Nazi Europe exists is because they are a weak organization you can say has connections with adspammers, which you and the other GCRs wish to destroy.

Not the only reason. They also tried fucking with Haven.

If the GCRs ever come into an agreement to take down certain regions you consider to be their enemies, it will not be hard to imagine them using their inflated votes to buy nukes from the Security Council. As of yet, you claim that would never happen.

Where have I claimed this again?

But the problem with that argument is that it IS happening. If you guys find fault with the Nazis, you will eventually find fault with others. And the fact that you are sticking together on this issue is particularly dangerous.

Scared?

It adds fuel to the fire. It gives the Nazis a reason to spend time and power trying to take you over.

They're welcome to try, and fail.

Frankly, it gives a lot of us who dislike this breech of sovereignty by a handful of players good reasons to prepare to defend ourselves and form armies for the purpose of defending against you.

Lol good luck.

You are taking that completely out of context. While it would perhaps be better if UDL kept real-life politics out of the way of defending,

No it wouldn't.

I am sure Unibot will personally try to defend Nazi Europe from your grasp,

I doubt it.

he realizes the feelings of his followers and listens to them.

For once.

Despite that I misread your argument in the previous paragraph, it should be noted that the UDL has regulations against any of its members participating in raiding AT ALL. The rule applies to all regions in general;

There is a separate rule specifically to do with Nazi regions.

in fact, Nazis are less protected by the UDL than any other type of vulnerable region.

And the UDL should be praised for that.

[Galiantus II]

What? The argument about precidents, or your resolution? Probably not your resolution, though, because it already has over 6,000 votes and is leading by over 4,000 votes.

You're implying because this passes, it will open the doors for others. To be honest, I really don't see that happening. Like, at all.

Well if it can happen now, who is to say it can't happen again? That certain GCRs are starting to agree on more than the oppinion that GCRs are somehow better than other regions is already cause for concern: if you can agree on this, why not other areas? Residents of PCRs should fear nothing more than all of the GCRs acting as a cohesive unit. This is happening right before our eyes, and it worries myself and many others.

[Feux]

First off, there should be a rule against abusing Liberations like this.

*Ambassador Mkoll turns his attention to Feux

I hope you know what your starting Feux, and I will laugh once this comes back to haunt you.

Also, since you started this, I hope you step on a Lego.

(Image)

I'll be waiting.

[Galiantus II]

The only reason it matters to you that Nazi Europe exists is because they are a weak organization you can say has connections with adspammers, which you and the other GCRs wish to destroy.

Not the only reason. They also tried fucking with Haven.

If the GCRs ever come into an agreement to take down certain regions you consider to be their enemies, it will not be hard to imagine them using their inflated votes to buy nukes from the Security Council. As of yet, you claim that would never happen.

Where have I claimed this again?

But the problem with that argument is that it IS happening. If you guys find fault with the Nazis, you will eventually find fault with others. And the fact that you are sticking together on this issue is particularly dangerous.

Scared?

It adds fuel to the fire. It gives the Nazis a reason to spend time and power trying to take you over.

They're welcome to try, and fail.

Frankly, it gives a lot of us who dislike this breech of sovereignty by a handful of players good reasons to prepare to defend ourselves and form armies for the purpose of defending against you.

Lol good luck.

You are taking that completely out of context. While it would perhaps be better if UDL kept real-life politics out of the way of defending,

No it wouldn't.

Maybe for you.

I am sure Unibot will personally try to defend Nazi Europe from your grasp,

I doubt it.

he realizes the feelings of his followers and listens to them.

For once.

Despite that I misread your argument in the previous paragraph, it should be noted that the UDL has regulations against any of its members participating in raiding AT ALL. The rule applies to all regions in general;

There is a separate rule specifically to do with Nazi regions.

in fact, Nazis are less protected by the UDL than any other type of vulnerable region.

And the UDL should be praised for that.

Yes. Myself and other players ARE scared. And rightfully so. You and the delegates voting for this shameful proposal are flexing your muscle in a particularly strident way.

Perhaps it is time the current regimes of the feeders were replaced. As long as we can keep the GCRs and larger regions at odds with each other, rather than conspiring together like you are doing now, no region will have to fear a combined attack from you. But that is what Nazi Europe is about to go through, and you are about to prove that even the passworded regions are no match for your massive voting blocs.

[Mad Jack]

Good luck with that.

[Cormac Stark]

This is just some GCR delegates thinking they're being really cool and humanitarian by making life difficult for NAZI EUROPE. Regular Nazi Hunters. Out of all this, we're getting more Nazi groups lately and -bigger- Nazi groups too. GCRs could help the cause against Nazism by not actively and aggressively pursuing Nazism. Instead they're just leaving defender groups to take care of the regions getting devastated by these new, "super-charged" Nazi groups.

This is just some defenders thinking they're being really cool and humanitarian by making life difficult for The Black Riders. Regular raider hunters. Out of all this, we're getting more tag raids lately and -bigger- region griefs too. Defenders could help the cause against raiding by not actively and aggressively pursuing raiders.

^ That is why your argument is crap and you should apologize to every single GCR, and why their governments should demand an apology from you. Nobody is to blame for more Nazis and more Nazi aggression besides Nazis.

[Fonzopolis]

This is just some GCR delegates thinking they're being really cool and humanitarian by making life difficult for NAZI EUROPE. Regular Nazi Hunters. Out of all this, we're getting more Nazi groups lately and -bigger- Nazi groups too. GCRs could help the cause against Nazism by not actively and aggressively pursuing Nazism. Instead they're just leaving defender groups to take care of the regions getting devastated by these new, "super-charged" Nazi groups.

This is just some defenders thinking they're being really cool and humanitarian by making life difficult for The Black Riders. Regular raider hunters. Out of all this, we're getting more tag raids lately and -bigger- region griefs too. Defenders could help the cause against raiding by not actively and aggressively pursuing raiders.

^ That is why your argument is crap and you should apologize to every single GCR, and why their governments should demand an apology from you. Nobody is to blame for more Nazis and more Nazi aggression besides Nazis.

I am sure he would if you and your craven ilk apologized for this grotesque abuse of power.

[SkyDip]

This is just some GCR delegates thinking they're being really cool and humanitarian by making life difficult for NAZI EUROPE. Regular Nazi Hunters. Out of all this, we're getting more Nazi groups lately and -bigger- Nazi groups too. GCRs could help the cause against Nazism by not actively and aggressively pursuing Nazism. Instead they're just leaving defender groups to take care of the regions getting devastated by these new, "super-charged" Nazi groups.

This is just some defenders thinking they're being really cool and humanitarian by making life difficult for The Black Riders. Regular raider hunters. Out of all this, we're getting more tag raids lately and -bigger- region griefs too. Defenders could help the cause against raiding by not actively and aggressively pursuing raiders.

^ That is why your argument is crap and you should apologize to every single GCR, and why their governments should demand an apology from you. Nobody is to blame for more Nazis and more Nazi aggression besides Nazis.

Terrible argument on a whole. Publicity of any kind (which these four Liberation drafts certainly have been) will obviously increase the exposure of the group in question, which will lead to more of their ilk.

[Galiantus II]

This is just some defenders thinking they're being really cool and humanitarian by making life difficult for The Black Riders. Regular raider hunters. Out of all this, we're getting more tag raids lately and -bigger- region griefs too. Defenders could help the cause against raiding by not actively and aggressively pursuing raiders.

^ That is why your argument is crap and you should apologize to every single GCR, and why their governments should demand an apology from you. Nobody is to blame for more Nazis and more Nazi aggression besides Nazis.

I am sure he would if you and your craven ilk apologized for this grotesque abuse of power.

Amen brotha

[Mad Jack]

This is just some defenders thinking they're being really cool and humanitarian by making life difficult for The Black Riders. Regular raider hunters. Out of all this, we're getting more tag raids lately and -bigger- region griefs too. Defenders could help the cause against raiding by not actively and aggressively pursuing raiders.

^ That is why your argument is crap and you should apologize to every single GCR, and why their governments should demand an apology from you. Nobody is to blame for more Nazis and more Nazi aggression besides Nazis.

I am sure he would if you and your craven ilk apologized for this grotesque abuse of power.

You're a funny guy. Stick around and enjoy the bonfire we're going to make of NE.

[Galiantus II]

This is just some GCR delegates thinking they're being really cool and humanitarian by making life difficult for NAZI EUROPE. Regular Nazi Hunters. Out of all this, we're getting more Nazi groups lately and -bigger- Nazi groups too. GCRs could help the cause against Nazism by not actively and aggressively pursuing Nazism. Instead they're just leaving defender groups to take care of the regions getting devastated by these new, "super-charged" Nazi groups.

This is just some defenders thinking they're being really cool and humanitarian by making life difficult for The Black Riders. Regular raider hunters. Out of all this, we're getting more tag raids lately and -bigger- region griefs too. Defenders could help the cause against raiding by not actively and aggressively pursuing raiders.

^ That is why your argument is crap and you should apologize to every single GCR, and why their governments should demand an apology from you. Nobody is to blame for more Nazis and more Nazi aggression besides Nazis.

Let's compare your situation with that of natives and defenders:

1. Natives have to put up with attacks from powerful raider organizations; you are trying to obliterate your agressor because of a loss of bilboard space.
2. Defenders make the game better for the weak who are attacked by the strong; you are trying to make life better for those who already have more than enough power by attacking those weaker than you.
3. Defenders do not actively pursue means to directly attack raiders, although they have in the past; you are persuing whatever means you can to directly attack those who give you trouble.

The fact that you are wrong will only enlarge the group who is angry at you, and although this group will include Nazis, it will include many more minorities besides them. And Unibot is right - when you take down someone's living space, all you do is make them angry. You give them more reason to act, and in this case, you give them more ability to act. This is an explosive situation. You and the other GCRs are playing with fire...and gasoline.

[Mad Jack]

The fact that you are wrong will only enlarge the group who is angry at you, and although this group will include Nazis, it will include many more minorities besides them.

Will it really? I'm not convinced.

And Unibot is right - when you take down someone's living space, all you do is make them angry. You give them more reason to act, and in this case, you give them more ability to act. This is an explosive situation. You and the other GCRs are playing with fire...and gasoline.

I'm terrified.

Truly.

[Fonzopolis]

I am sure he would if you and your craven ilk apologized for this grotesque abuse of power.

You're a funny guy. Stick around and enjoy the bonfire we're going to make of NE.

I'll happily roast lions over the fires of the smoldering nations who dared misuse the security council for their own nefarious power mongering, sir.

[Terravoss]

here goes to hoping this resolution is going to bite its proposer and the supporters in the ass in some way.

Oh it will, it will....

As was stated beautifully in the Europeia discussion thread on the matter:

They'd go unnoticed though if no one did these liberation attempts.

And yet your region is voting 55-18 in favour and Vinage is throwing his 319 votes wholeheartedly behind this. Hypocritical much?

Not the only reason. They also tried fucking with Haven.

And were they successful? NO! By this pretext I tried fucking the neighbours wife last night. Was I successful? NO! (mainly because my wife indicated it was a bad idea, in that I would have to find a new home if I proceeded........ ). Does that mean my house should be "Liberated", invaded, myself ejected, and my house destroyed?

Feux, Jack cut the shit, grow a set of balls and just admit the only reason you are going after them is because of their name (which gains you support from the idiot lemmings) and you think they are adspammers (which they are NOT). We all know you guys hate adspammers, and this is just the first step in what I see of you guys flooding the SC with horseshit "Liberation" proposals of adspammer regions so you can shut them down.

[Mad Jack]

You're a funny guy. Stick around and enjoy the bonfire we're going to make of NE.

I'll happily roast lions over the fires of the smoldering nations who dared misuse the security council for their own nefarious power mongering, sir.

I like you.

But only because you're hilarious. ^__^

[Netherheim]

You're a funny guy. Stick around and enjoy the bonfire we're going to make of NE.

I'll happily roast lions over the fires of the smoldering nations who dared misuse the security council for their own nefarious power mongering, sir.

I´ll take a seat next to you if you don´t mind, with some fine deer meat.