[PASSED] Liberate Nazi Europe

[Belschaft]

Hear hear!

Burn it to the ground! To the ground I say, to the ground!

[United Federation of Canada]

If this garbage passes, I'll resign my membership in the World Assembly. This is simply shameful.

This

This.

not again, hopefully this fails yet again if not I will be disapointed

Prepare to be 'disapointed'.

Apparently so. It is amusing to see the joke that the Security Council has become all nicely summarized into one neat little package of shit right here.

But seriously people. Anyone that has not voted for this, please vote against. This is going to have far broader, and longer reaching consequences, than the simple destruction of Nazi Europe. I do not believe this is a path we should tread down lightly, or at all. This isn't one of these situations of "we'll deal with the consequences later". We have the chance to prevent that from happening, and I believe we should.

The door was already opened by Nazi Europe. We're just stepping through.

It doesn't need to be a defender organization to oppose this agenda. This is a big enough deal we should form our own alliences and organizations to oppose it.

And it's also assuming defenders will oppose it. The UDL can't. The FRA would become even more toxic following their defence of Fluffy Bunny Land, the mod renamed home of a Nazi region.

Nazi Europe is doomed.

And the burning will be glorious.

Please do explain why the UDL can't oppose a raid on Nazi Europe? I would love know.

Hear hear!

Burn it to the ground! To the ground I say, to the ground!

Wow a fellow UDL'er calling for a raid on a region to displace the natives? What has the world come to?

[Vladisvok Destino]

Please do explain why the UDL can't oppose a raid on Nazi Europe? I would love know.

UDLs policy is "we don't defend Nazi regions." Some of its individual members may decide to try and defend it but they wouldn't be 'flying the flag' as it were, for the reasoning behind the policy you can look at the other post you quoted.

[Hallensbane]

This militant and hypocritical "liberation" certainly earned a no vote from my region's delegate and I, but I can not stress how backwards this. The Security Council being used as a tool for eliminating an opposing view point? It's mocking the very idea of a Security Council.

As a small region of only two players, Reichtum strongly opposes citing a dwindling population as a possible reason to force liberation. If this can be cited as a reason to create a Security Council sanctioned raid I fear for other smaller nations, particularly any that may be seen as in the political minority.

Both Hallensbane and the region of Reichtum stand in support for NE's right to exist, and in the event of this "liberation" passing will send the only available member to try and mount a defense for the upcoming onslaught.

[Mad Jack]

Please do explain why the UDL can't oppose a raid on Nazi Europe? I would love know.

UDLs policy is "we don't defend Nazi regions." Some of its individual members may decide to try and defend it but they wouldn't be 'flying the flag' as it were, for the reasoning behind the policy you can look at the other post you quoted.

Vlad is correct.

[Imperium Bizantium]

I would like to ask all the anti-Nazis one question. Do you even know what NAZI means ? What do you know of the ideology of the NSDAP ? I need answers in order to understand how brainwashed is society.

Thank you

[Terravoss]

I retract my earlier statements and have changed my vote to yes (like 1 vote ever mattered anyway but.....) and here is why:

A. This resolution fails and nothing changes.

B. This resolution passes, and the password comes down. Nations flood in to install a new delegate, while other nations move in to beef up German Dragons (who is being very quiet about the situation and probably for a very good reason......). A new delegate will of course be elected after a massive tally of endorsements (that may very well crash the server). The nations of NE stand pat, as they have been there for eons and have significant influence in the region, while the invaders are coming in as minnows. The invader delegate can't eject any nations from NE at this time as they won't have the influence to, and nor can they password if they did, as it has now been liberated. All the invaders can do is detag, vandalize the WFE, and close embassies. (Wow huh!!!). German Dragons has all this info saved, and the invaders will ultimately fail at destroying the region. At this time they will need to remain to keep the delegate in power and boost his influence. All while this is happening TBR and TBH are licking their chops. They now have their pick of GCR where all of the NE invaders moved from to move in and grief.

You see the only ones that lose this are the GCR regions. Either way I will have my popcorn popped and beer cold waiting for the awesome show that is going to come from this.

[General Hammond]

As someone who deplores Nazis and considers them to be history's biggest losers, I cannot in good conscience support this resolution. It sets a dangerous precedent, saying the WA Security Council is there to sanction raids against any region it doesn't like.

What's next? Are we to "liberate" Communist regions because we don't like them? Are we going to "liberate" capitalist regions because they should "spread the wealth?" This isn't what the SC is supposed to be doing. How far are we willing to go in the name of imposing our own ideals on other regions? These handful of Nazis should be left alone in their little region.

[Mad Jack]

As someone who deplores Nazis and considers them to be history's biggest losers, I cannot in good conscience support this resolution. It sets a dangerous precedent, saying the WA Security Council is there to sanction raids against any region it doesn't like.

The precedent already exists. Nazi Europe tried to liberate Haven to open it up to raids.

[McMasterdonia]

I would have liked to use my 530ish endorsements to vote in favour of this. I'm glad to see it passing the SC at this stage. I look forward to watching the fun that follows.

[Terravoss]

As someone who deplores Nazis and considers them to be history's biggest losers, I cannot in good conscience support this resolution. It sets a dangerous precedent, saying the WA Security Council is there to sanction raids against any region it doesn't like.

The precedent already exists. Nazi Europe tried to liberate Haven to open it up to raids.

Fuck man, listening to your pathetic reasoning for this resolution is like listening to my old LP player that has a bad skip and keeps repeating the same 6 seconds of "Don't Stop Beleivn'" over and over and over..

Do you even have another argument to defend this. This one is growing very thin.

[Shen Xin Lan]

The precedent already exists. Nazi Europe tried to liberate Haven to open it up to raids.

*Delegate Vincent addresses the Ambassador from Mad Jack.*

The fact that he tried and failed means there is no precedent. The entire idea of a precedent is that:

a precedent or authority is a principle or rule established in a previous legal case that is either binding on or persuasive for a court or other tribunal when deciding subsequent cases with similar issues or facts.

So, how does this make any sense as "following a precedent?" This is not a similar issue. The facts are not the same, nor are they close enough to even be considered logically connected. Also, the "previous legal case" met with failure, so nothing was established.

If this passes, this will create the precedent that you are citing. Circular logic is most often employed by religious literalists and people with no common sense. Which category do you fall into?

[Feux]

The precedent already exists. Nazi Europe tried to liberate Haven to open it up to raids.

Fuck man, listening to your pathetic reasoning for this resolution....

Have you listened to yours?

[Vladisvok Destino]

I would have liked to use my 530ish endorsements to vote in favour of this. I'm glad to see it passing the SC at this stage. I look forward to watching the fun that follows.

I suppose then we should be glad of the 200 less votes TNP can put behind this resolution.

[Universal explorers]

I'm curious about which region will receive the refugees from NE though because that could highly contribute to a region's growth.

[Mad Jack]

The precedent already exists. Nazi Europe tried to liberate Haven to open it up to raids.

Fuck man, listening to your pathetic reasoning for this resolution is like listening to my old LP player that has a bad skip and keeps repeating the same 6 seconds of "Don't Stop Beleivn'" over and over and over..

Do you even have another argument to defend this. This one is growing very thin.

For: 6,136. Against: 1,717.

^That means I don't need to have another argument.

[Fonzopolis]

This proposal is quite frankly disgusting. Liberation's are meant for just that. Liberation. What this scum wants is a World Assembly sanctioned invasion. Whether or not you find their governing policies to be "detrimental" is irrelevant. They have already been condemned. This is a gross abuse of the security councils power!
On the Behalf of the Empire I hereby officially denounce Feux, and every nation who has thus far voted in favor of this vile proposal. I most certainly recognize the symbolism in this proposal. Any region who you don't like should be invaded and their right to govern as they wish completely ignored.
Shame on all of you.
Disgusting.

[Unibot III]

As someone who deplores Nazis and considers them to be history's biggest losers, I cannot in good conscience support this resolution. It sets a dangerous precedent, saying the WA Security Council is there to sanction raids against any region it doesn't like.

The precedent already exists. Nazi Europe tried to liberate Haven to open it up to raids.

That vote never passed though. >_> So no precedent was set.. this vote is setting the precedent. Moreover I don't even think Liberate Haven was NAZI EUROPE, it was just Oh My Days being Oh My Days.

[Galiantus II]

What bothers me is with how much enthusiasm many of the GCR delegates voted for this. I also find it interesting that the Europiea and Spiritus delegates voted in favor of it. All these votes combined makes about 1600 votes. Yet you know what? Only three of these regions have held any evident regional discussion on this (not just private talks with the other delegates). The regions who have done so are: The East Pacific, Osiris, and Europiea. That's about 650 votes which have the potential of changing - because all three of them already voted FOR the resolution.

In Balder, I noticed that in a previous discussion about an earlier form of this resolution, 100% of those involved in the discussion thought it was a bad idea. Where's the discussion now Charles? Every major region besides the three mentioned has not (as of yet) posted a thread for discussion in a readily viewable place. So what is this about 'democracy', you delegates of the organization that supposedly holds democratic values? The silence is deafening.

Edit:
Forgot The Rejected Realms. They are the ONLY GCR who has both not yet voted on this resolution and is having an active discussion about it.

[Galiantus II]

Fuck man, listening to your pathetic reasoning for this resolution is like listening to my old LP player that has a bad skip and keeps repeating the same 6 seconds of "Don't Stop Beleivn'" over and over and over..

Do you even have another argument to defend this. This one is growing very thin.

For: 6,136. Against: 1,717.

^That means I don't need tohave another argument.

Fixed.

[Unibot III]

What bothers me is with how much enthusiasm many of the GCR delegates voted for this. I also find it interesting that the Europiea and Spiritus delegates voted in favor of it. All these votes combined makes about 1600 votes. Yet you know what? Only three of these regions have held any evident regional discussion on this (not just private talks with the other delegates). The regions who have done so are: The East Pacific, Osiris, and Europiea. That's about 650 votes which have the potential of changing - because all three of them already voted FOR the resolution.

In Balder, I noticed that in a previous discussion about an earlier form of this resolution, 100% of those involved in the discussion thought it was a bad idea. Where's the discussion now Charles? Every major region besides the three mentioned has not (as of yet) posted a thread for discussion in a readily viewable place. So what is this about 'democracy', you delegates of the organization that supposedly holds democratic values? The silence is deafening.

This is just some GCR delegates thinking they're being really cool and humanitarian by making life difficult for NAZI EUROPE. Regular Nazi Hunters. Out of all this, we're getting more Nazi groups lately and -bigger- Nazi groups too. GCRs could help the cause against Nazism by not actively and aggressively pursuing Nazism. Instead they're just leaving defender groups to take care of the regions getting devastated by these new, "super-charged" Nazi groups.

[SkyDip]

What bothers me is with how much enthusiasm many of the GCR delegates voted for this. I also find it interesting that the Europiea and Spiritus delegates voted in favor of it. All these votes combined makes about 1600 votes. Yet you know what? Only three of these regions have held any evident regional discussion on this (not just private talks with the other delegates). The regions who have done so are: The East Pacific, Osiris, and Europiea. That's about 650 votes which have the potential of changing - because all three of them already voted FOR the resolution.

In Balder, I noticed that in a previous discussion about an earlier form of this resolution, 100% of those involved in the discussion thought it was a bad idea. Where's the discussion now Charles? Every major region besides the three mentioned has not (as of yet) posted a thread for discussion in a readily viewable place. So what is this about 'democracy', you delegates of the organization that supposedly holds democratic values? The silence is deafening.

This is just some GCR delegates thinking they're being really cool and humanitarian by making life difficult for NAZI EUROPE. Regular Nazi Hunters. Out of all this, we're getting more Nazi groups lately and -bigger- Nazi groups too. GCRs could help the cause against Nazism by not actively and aggressively pursuing Nazism. Instead they're just leaving defender groups to take care of the regions getting devastated by these new, "super-charged" Nazi groups.

As was stated beautifully in the Europeia discussion thread on the matter:

They'd go unnoticed though if no one did these liberation attempts.

[Galiantus II]

This is just some GCR delegates thinking they're being really cool and humanitarian by making life difficult for NAZI EUROPE. Regular Nazi Hunters. Out of all this, we're getting more Nazi groups lately and -bigger- Nazi groups too. GCRs could help the cause against Nazism by not actively and aggressively pursuing Nazism. Instead they're just leaving defender groups to take care of the regions getting devastated by these new, "super-charged" Nazi groups.

As was stated beautifully in the Europeia discussion thread on the matter:

They'd go unnoticed though if no one did these liberation attempts.

Yes. If this is about fighting Nazism, it fails in its intent. Really, the only rational reason to vote for something like this is so you can flex some muscle and make your enemies angry.

[Feux]

Precedents? Lol.

I don't think this can be pulled off to often to be honest.

[Mad Jack]

This is just some GCR delegates thinking they're being really cool and humanitarian by making life difficult for NAZI EUROPE. Regular Nazi Hunters.

This has nothing to do with 'being really cool and humanitarian' and everything to do with Nazi Europe existing. We don't want them to exist. For me this is because they broke rule 1 and up until recently were allied with GGR and other badspamming Nazis.

Out of all this, we're getting more Nazi groups lately and -bigger- Nazi groups too. GCRs could help the cause against Nazism by not actively and aggressively pursuing Nazism.

Um, how does that help the cause?

Instead they're just leaving defender groups to take care of the regions getting devastated by these new, "super-charged" Nazi groups.

And the UDL is barring it's members from fighting those same Nazi groups on the offensive. Tantamount to collaboration some would say.