[PASSED] Condemn Jakker

[SkyDip]

Welp, unless the nation in question goes out and burns down an orphanage in the next two or three days, this will be submitted as-is, so get your suggestions in naow!

[Mahaj]

Not harsh enough, otherwise its good.

[SkyDip]

As soon as I can get my endorsements, this will be submitted as written in the OP.

[SkyDip]

And this has been submitted.

[Cerian Quilor]

Against. Not because I don't think Jakker doesn't deserve recognition, but because I don't think raiding is condemn worthy, and I don't like that so many raiders buy into the 'condemn as badge of honor' thing.

[Toronina]

Against. Not because I don't think Jakker doesn't deserve recognition, but because I don't think raiding is condemn worthy, and I don't like that so many raiders buy into the 'condemn as badge of honor' thing.

Agreed

[SkyDip]

*checks back in*

Ho-hum. I didn't have a lot of time to campaign for this and Auralia's script was giving me headaches, so I'm pleased to see this has garnered as many approvals as it has. Though it looks as though I will need to reload and attempt again at a later date.

[SkyDip]

Although who knows at this point...looks like the proposal might reach quorum without any extraneous effort. *joy*

[Feux]

Although who knows at this point...looks like the proposal might reach quorum without any extraneous effort. *joy*

You have 14 hours to get 14 approvals.

[The Great Destruction]

Against. Not because I don't think Jakker doesn't deserve recognition, but because I don't think raiding is condemn worthy, and I don't like that so many raiders buy into the 'condemn as badge of honor' thing.

I feel this is a poor argument to not vote for a condemnation and poorer still for not supporting a resolution to get to a vote. Raiding in and of itself might not be condmenation worthy in many nations' eyes but it can be taken to extremes. When a nation is a party to as many raids as this one has, and for no more goal than "to see if we could" or to cause caos much of the time then it becomes actionable in my eyes. Jakker not only participated and led many of these raids but also helped to grow the culture where this is not only normal but ok to do so.

[Cerian Quilor]

Because raiding is okay, TGD. There is nothing wrong with Raiding in any of its myriad forms intrinsic to raiding itself.

[Feux]

Because raiding is okay, TGD. There is nothing wrong with Raiding in any of its myriad forms intrinsic to raiding itself.

Just look at condemnations like I look at condemnations: Rewards for raiders that have done a damn good job at what they do, disrupting interregional peace and good will. Then vote for, and move on with your life.

[SkyDip]

Dammit. anybody catch how many approvals this ended with? It was damn close!

[Feux]

Dammit. anybody catch how many approvals this ended with? It was damn close!

* Slaps SkyDip! You had to have 10 or less, and you still missed it.

[SkyDip]

Dammit. anybody catch how many approvals this ended with? It was damn close!

* Slaps SkyDip! You had to have 10 or less, and you still missed it.

I know, I know. No time to campaign this week. It might be a good thing anyway - I noticed one of the lines wasn't copied correctly so there were two clauses without a space between them. Yeah, that was it. ^_^

[Jakker]

Dammit. anybody catch how many approvals this ended with? It was damn close!

It ended up with 80 approvals. Time to raid all the regions with delegates that didn't approve it

[Cerian Quilor]

Because raiding is okay, TGD. There is nothing wrong with Raiding in any of its myriad forms intrinsic to raiding itself.

Just look at condemnations like I look at condemnations: Rewards for raiders that have done a damn good job at what they do, disrupting interregional peace and good will. Then vote for, and move on with your life.

But I don't buy into the idea that condemns should be badges of honor for gameplay activity.

[Jakker]

Just look at condemnations like I look at condemnations: Rewards for raiders that have done a damn good job at what they do, disrupting interregional peace and good will. Then vote for, and move on with your life.

But I don't buy into the idea that condemns should be badges of honor for gameplay activity.

Although I think the SC in general is pretty silly, I think you have to look at both being condemned and commended as badges of honor. We, as nations, are choosing to act the way we do. Look at RP. Those who get condemned for that choose to be the evil (I'm using evil here for lack of better word) nation and the condemnation is visually saying they were truly an evil nation. No matter how you look at it being condemned is a reward if it is given to a nation that is choosing to do condemning things. Why should evil RP activity be rewarded and not gameplay activity?

[Cerian Quilor]

Because rp is explictly not in character. Plus, I don't actually have an investment in rp, whereas I do raid and don't think my raiding, should result in condemnation ever.

[SkyDip]

Because rp is explictly not in character. Plus, I don't actually have an investment in rp, whereas I do raid and don't think my raiding, should result in condemnation ever.

*proceeds to draft*

[Cerian Quilor]

Even by the metric used, I've not done anything condemn worthy. What are you going to mention? My raid on Cats, or The Free Land, or my occupation of Christmas?

[SkyDip]

Even by the metric used, I've not done anything condemn worthy. What are you going to mention? My raid on Cats, or The Free Land, or my occupation of Christmas?

All of the above, you evul raider!

[The Great Destruction]

Dammit. anybody catch how many approvals this ended with? It was damn close!

It ended up with 80 approvals. Time to raid all the regions with delegates that didn't approve it

Ha, ya that'll show 'em.

[Cromarty]

But I don't buy into the idea that condemns should be badges of honor for gameplay activity.

Although I think the SC in general is pretty silly, I think you have to look at both being condemned and commended as badges of honor. We, as nations, are choosing to act the way we do. Look at RP. Those who get condemned for that choose to be the evil (I'm using evil here for lack of better word) nation and the condemnation is visually saying they were truly an evil nation. No matter how you look at it being condemned is a reward if it is given to a nation that is choosing to do condemning things. Why should evil RP activity be rewarded and not gameplay activity?

You're missing the point of RP condemns. Usually (Hippostania and a few select others that were repealed aside), they are for members of the RP community that both a) RP to a very high standard and have done for years and b) have contributed positively to the RP community, through mentoring, guides, advice whatever. Players like Kraven, AMF and especially Milograd deserve such recognition, such a badge of honour, that rpers like Lamoni have gotten as commendations or commendations that non-RPers have gotten.

[Cerian Quilor]

Even by the metric used, I've not done anything condemn worthy. What are you going to mention? My raid on Cats, or The Free Land, or my occupation of Christmas?

All of the above, you evul raider!