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Postby SkyDip » Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:29 pm

Cromarty wrote:Called it.

Cerian you owe me 20 quid.

...wat.
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Postby Cromarty » Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:36 pm

SkyDip wrote:
Cromarty wrote:Called it.

Cerian you owe me 20 quid.

...wat.

Exactly.
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:09 pm

I'll support the Repeal, and I would have supported a Repeal the minute right after the Resolution Passed. It's weakly written, and although I'm amused that TBR gets to be branded by a weak resolution.. eh.. I don't like it plaguing the SC Halls. If a good Replacement is found, then I might support that too.
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Postby SkyDip » Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:11 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:I'll support the Repeal, and I would have supported a Repeal the minute right after the Resolution Passed. It's weakly written, and although I'm amused that TBR gets to be branded by a weak resolution.. eh.. I don't like it plaguing the SC Halls. If a good Replacement is found, then I might support that too.

Seems to be the general consensus around here.
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Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.

Eist wrote:Yea... If you are just going to casually dismiss SkyDip's advice, you are probably not going to get very far at all.

Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby Cerian Quilor » Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:46 pm

Cromarty wrote:Called it.

Cerian you owe me 20 quid.

I don't use fake money, Cromarty. :P
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Postby SkyDip » Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:46 am

Cerian Quilor wrote:
Cromarty wrote:Called it.

Cerian you owe me 20 quid.

I don't use fake money, Cromarty. :P

*is still confused* -__-

If there are no qualms, I will submit the repeal legislation today.
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Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.

Eist wrote:Yea... If you are just going to casually dismiss SkyDip's advice, you are probably not going to get very far at all.

Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby Communist Eraser » Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:54 am

Nobody minds the repeal.

But apparently people want a better replacement. However everyone is too lazy to think of a better one. So they're going to keep the original resolution ;)
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Postby SkyDip » Thu Jan 03, 2013 7:49 am

Communist Eraser wrote:Nobody minds the repeal.

But apparently people want a better replacement. However everyone is too lazy to think of a better one. So they're going to keep the original resolution ;)

Any potential replacement is now out of my hands, so hopefully people can see the merits of repealing a bad resolution as a stand-alone reason.
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Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.

Eist wrote:Yea... If you are just going to casually dismiss SkyDip's advice, you are probably not going to get very far at all.

Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby Proletaurus » Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:12 am

Meh...

Why there is even need to repeal old Condemnation. It can be let as it is, instead moving directly to new Condemnation. TBR really earn it as a Badge of Honor, of course. Commendation would be too sissy for them. :p

If mindless raiding is condemnworthy then why just not condemn. Again. Amounts of unnescessary bureacracy and chit-chat would be left aside. Then they of course have earned third Condemnation and fourth. When they are Condemned enought whole WA Condemnation or Commendation would be transform meaningless... What it is actually already. Then we can close whole Security Council as well because SC is Condemned to be Powerless organ and Forum for nothing which really matters.

Too few options, too few influence to anything.

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Postby Eist » Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:28 am

Communist Eraser wrote:Nobody minds the repeal.


?! I mind the repeal. It's as vapid (but admittedly better written) as the original!
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Postby Globocom Enterprises » Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:33 am

What a waste of time.

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Postby SkyDip » Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:36 am

Eist wrote:
Communist Eraser wrote:Nobody minds the repeal.


?! I mind the repeal. It's as vapid (but admittedly better written) as the original!

We all know your opinions don't count, (F)Eisty. :p

Globocom Enterprises wrote:What a waste of time.

Thank you for your insightful input.
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Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.

Eist wrote:Yea... If you are just going to casually dismiss SkyDip's advice, you are probably not going to get very far at all.

Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby The Great Destruction » Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:20 am

SkyDip wrote:It should be noted, however, that I no longer plan to replace the resolution, if that affects you at all.

This makes me less likely to support your repeal. ..... Let me see If I can come up with a suitable replacement.....

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Postby A Million Voices » Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:04 pm

SkyDip wrote:It should be noted, however, that I no longer plan to replace the resolution, if that affects you at all.


But we like the badge. ;_;
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Postby SkyDip » Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:08 pm

A Million Voices wrote:
SkyDip wrote:It should be noted, however, that I no longer plan to replace the resolution, if that affects you at all.


But we like the badge. ;_;

There are forces at work to get you a better one. You don't want the good region to be marred by a resolution that passed with a meager 58% approval, do ya? :p
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Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.

Eist wrote:Yea... If you are just going to casually dismiss SkyDip's advice, you are probably not going to get very far at all.

Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby A Million Voices » Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:10 am

SkyDip wrote:
A Million Voices wrote:
But we like the badge. ;_;

There are forces at work to get you a better one. You don't want the good region to be marred by a resolution that passed with a meager 58% approval, do ya? :p


58% isn't so bad.
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Postby SkyDip » Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:48 am

Back into the swing of things, finally. Pending some more changes, hopefully I can have this submitted by the end of the week.
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Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.

Eist wrote:Yea... If you are just going to casually dismiss SkyDip's advice, you are probably not going to get very far at all.

Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby BushSucks-istan » Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:55 am

I'm quite sure you can condemn a region or nation multiple times. You don't need to repeal the previous one.
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Postby SkyDip » Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:12 am

BushSucks-istan wrote:I'm quite sure you can condemn a region or nation multiple times. You don't need to repeal the previous one.

Read the thread before posting, please. I'm not going to be condemning TBR. I am going to be attempting a repeal of a poorly-written resolution, however.
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Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.

Eist wrote:Yea... If you are just going to casually dismiss SkyDip's advice, you are probably not going to get very far at all.

Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby Cerian Quilor » Tue Jan 08, 2013 2:28 pm

BushSucks-istan wrote:I'm quite sure you can condemn a region or nation multiple times. You don't need to repeal the previous one.

true. But a crap resolution is a crap resolution
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The Thing to Remember About NationStates is that it is an almost entirely social game - fundamentally, you have no power beyond your own ability to convince people to go along with your ideas. In that sense, even the most dictatorial region is fundamentally democratic.

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Postby Proletaurus » Sun Jan 13, 2013 2:58 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:
BushSucks-istan wrote:I'm quite sure you can condemn a region or nation multiple times. You don't need to repeal the previous one.

true. But a crap resolution is a crap resolution

true. But a passed crap Resolution is still passed resolution and therefore valid and earned in this particular case.

and Earned as a Padge of Honor as there is no point or purpose at all to even Draft Condemnation Proposals to Raiders for other reasons. Is there?

Only reasonable possibilities are
1) Repeal this one and not making then remake condemnation for new one.
2) Condemn again.
3) Commend them first time (remembering same time Commendation would be sissy for their case).

Is it better or worse if TBR is Condemned only by little majority or vast majority of votes, or would it be best or worst if not condemned at all? Either cases it is Clearly 'Commendation' for them.

(Something really effective should be added to Commendations and Condemnations as currently there is no meaning for them. Maybe some limitations/extensions to regional/national controls or faster/slower influence growth, something which really means something, which those shiny badges doesn't currently. Lot of topics full of argumentations FOR and AGAINST something which doesn't make any real difference to anything in Game. Essence of WA is power and who controls it, but if there is no actual powers beyond Liberation Resolutions (and even in this case rather power is Limited), there is no point for all these topics these of C&Cs. IMO.)
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:05 pm

Condemnations shouldn't be badges of honor in the first place.
Never underestimate the power of cynicism, pessimism and negativity to prevent terrible things from happening. Only idealists try to build the future on a mountain of bodies.

The Thing to Remember About NationStates is that it is an almost entirely social game - fundamentally, you have no power beyond your own ability to convince people to go along with your ideas. In that sense, even the most dictatorial region is fundamentally democratic.

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Postby SkyDip » Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:49 pm

Ok guize, sorry. Got busy. Will submit when I get the endos/time to throw a PR campaign together.
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Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.

Eist wrote:Yea... If you are just going to casually dismiss SkyDip's advice, you are probably not going to get very far at all.

Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby SkyDip » Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:36 am

This has been submitted as written in the OP. Campaigning will be started at approximately 1900 CST.
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Gordano and Lysandus wrote:SkyDip's actions have, ultimately, destroyed the World Assembly.

Eist wrote:Yea... If you are just going to casually dismiss SkyDip's advice, you are probably not going to get very far at all.

Sedgistan wrote:SkyDip is trying to help, and is giving sound advice. I'd suggestion listening to him, as he has experience of writing (and advising others with) legal proposals.

Frisbeeteria wrote:What Skydip said. This bitchfest is an embarrassment to the Security Council.

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Postby Delegate Vinage » Thu Jan 24, 2013 11:41 am

Support the repeal AND was the first one to approve it.

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