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The Keystone Federation
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Postby The Keystone Federation » Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:32 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
The Keystone Federation wrote:From what I have taken out of this act, I have come to the conclusion that this act is basically prohibiting police officers who are on the scene of a crime from keeping medical personnel from entering the scene. However, there is a HUGE problem with this and I'm not sure why everyone is so excited about it and why it has such high 'FOR' votes.

First off, medical personnel are never supposed to be near a crime scene until said crime is cleared up or the situation is pronounced 'clear'. Secondly, in spite of the Sandy Hook shooting, the first responders there did not allow ambulances on the scene, because there was nothing for them to do, due to the fact that there were no wounded. Yet, they were called and were supposed to go there, they were denied because they could possibly contaminate any evidence at the scene. And finally, that brings me to my third point, by allowing a mix of personnel into a scene you are ruining stockpiles of evidence and now you are picking up fingerprints, hair, et cetera from people who have been wandering about their own business while the people who are investigating are trying to collect evidence to solve the 'crime' in this case.

I sincerely am confused at it's high amount of 'FOR' votes, have I missed something?

Simple explanation: most people don't read past the title of the resolution. They see "First Responder Protection Act" and automatically say "Protecting first responders good! Me vote yes!".

EXACTLY, lol thank you, this is my point, people need to wake up and actually read the thing. Also, just to clarify my statements, my father was a police officer for 20 years, so I have some knowledge of what I was saying..

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Postby Cowardly Pacifists » Sat Jan 19, 2013 10:33 pm

Yuck. This proposal is terrible.

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Solusira-Animus
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My first ever WA vote

Postby Solusira-Animus » Sun Jan 20, 2013 12:06 am

This is my first vote in the WA and it was an easy decision to make because the FRPA presents Solusira-Animus with intense conflicts. It contains multiple violations of our code of laws, mismanagement of our justice system and a slap in the face of our hard working people and the culture they nourish and protect.

My list of complaints includes but is not necessarily limited to the following:

    Violation of our code of laws: Solusira-Animus has a nationwide ban on surveillance cameras in any public places. Solusira-Animus also has a completely nationalized system of emergency response. That means our ambulances are public vehicles and combined with our camera ban legally we cannot install cameras in those vehicles.

    Mismanagement of our justice system: Solusira-Animus has a -5 score on the Bureaucratic Comprehensiveness Rating Scale Index. The new criminal activity mandated by this resolution will over burden our legal system with unnecessary red tape, court proceedings and mostly frivolous instances of violations. Our jails will quickly become over-populated. This resolution is incompatible with our unique system and infrastructure.

    Slap in the face: Solusira-Animus has a -15 score on the Kitten Softness Rating and world census experts have reported 7 net insults per minute after extensive telephone polling of our citizens. Solusira-Animus has a -0.8 Bubble-Rapp Safety Rating and a -9 score on the Bus Surprisal Index. Solusira-Animus has a score of 77 on the Magnum-Eastwood Ordnance Scale. Ours is not a safe country in which to live. It is not for the weak of heart. Instances in which emergency responders get "hindered" are numerous in our nation (for that reason first responders of all stripes are fully armed and are legally permitted to use those weapons while on duty).

Maybe some nations can afford this frivolous resolution but Solusira-Animus cannot. It is my duty to act in the best interest of my nation and to that end I have cast my first ever WA vote in opposition to this destructive, meddlesome and superfluous resolution.
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Louisistan
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Founded: Sep 10, 2012
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Postby Louisistan » Sun Jan 20, 2013 7:33 am

Announcement by the Delegation of Louisistan to the World Assembly:
Esteemed colleagues,
the Confederacy of Louisistan has decided to launch an Insta-Repeal effort against this resolution, should it become International Law. A first draft will be posted within the next few hours.

Signed,
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Solusira-Animus
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Postby Solusira-Animus » Sun Jan 20, 2013 8:43 am

Louisistan wrote:Announcement by the Delegation of Louisistan to the World Assembly:
Esteemed colleagues,
the Confederacy of Louisistan has decided to launch an Insta-Repeal effort against this resolution, should it become International Law. A first draft will be posted within the next few hours.

Signed,
Max Schulz
Special Ambassador


Special Ambassador Schulz, it was a pleasure to read this. You have the support of myself and all of Solusira-Animus in your effort to repeal this dangerous resolution.

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Louisistan
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Postby Louisistan » Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:21 am

Thank you for your support Ambassador Potter.
Our Delegation has drawn up a first draft which can be debated here. We would appreciate any input and/or support for our endeavor. Maybe the repeal draft can even persuade some ambassadors to change their votes so we don't need to repeal in the first place...
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The Peoples Republic of Minnesota
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Defintions

Postby The Peoples Republic of Minnesota » Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:40 pm

I don't think that this resolution can be voted for, seeing as how it defines "first responders" as a number of things among which are included "first responders" . This makes the resolution dangerous.
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Parinis
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Postby Parinis » Sun Jan 20, 2013 1:56 pm

Define "regular assault". Regular assault can range from a kick and a punch to a stabbing someone with a knife.

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The Two Jerseys
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Jan 20, 2013 2:09 pm

Parinis wrote:Define "regular assault". Regular assault can range from a kick and a punch to a stabbing someone with a knife.

We're discussing that with the repeal right now, how "assault" isn't defined and "physical abuse" is apparently still allowed.
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Averna II
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Postby Averna II » Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:36 pm

The Keystone Federation wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Simple explanation: most people don't read past the title of the resolution. They see "First Responder Protection Act" and automatically say "Protecting first responders good! Me vote yes!".

EXACTLY, lol thank you, this is my point, people need to wake up and actually read the thing. Also, just to clarify my statements, my father was a police officer for 20 years, so I have some knowledge of what I was saying..


I definitely wanted to bring this point to light again. I vehemently agree with both The Keystone Federation and The Two Jerseys. As The Two Jerseys states, when people read the title that protects first resopnders, they would vote "for", without continuing to read the specific intricacies involved in this act. Additionally, I doubt most people are even reading this thread. But what little people we can reach with this thread, we will reach.

Having consequences for those who intentionally injure first responders, and anyone, really, I agree with. But having consequences for hindering first responders can be seen as both perposterous and sensible; this all depends on the situation. As with the Sandy Hook shooting, contamination of evidence can be a prominent threat. There were none wounded, only dead, as The Keystone Federation states.

I propose that when a disputable conflict such as this be handled by the people, having them vote on each situation as it arises. For example, if a shooting such as Sandy Hook were to occur again, (may God forbid), and there were no injured, so ambulances, first responders, and the like were not allowed inside due to fear of contaminiation of evidence, the people could later vote on whether this was the correct thing to do, and base future laws on its results, pertaining to only that nation. Therefore, the people gain a say in the matter, and the situation handled properly in the future, were something like this to happen again.

Of course, the downsides to such would be that the one situation may not have been handled properly in the peoples' eyes. Hopefully my fellow nations can forgive such a large loophole. But honestly, which is worse: having a legal consequence dealed out for all who wish to find the perpetrator and refuse the first responders entrance or having the people decide how to handle such events in the future?

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Postby Retired WerePenguins » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:03 pm

The Keystone Federation wrote:EXACTLY, lol thank you, this is my point, people need to wake up and actually read the thing. Also, just to clarify my statements, my father was a police officer for 20 years, so I have some knowledge of what I was saying..


It's not going to happen. Even though they voted on WA Resolution #122 "Read the Resolution Act." They will never read the resolution; they will never visit the forum; they will just look at the cute title, sometimes look at the category and strength and vote accordingly.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Sun Jan 20, 2013 4:50 pm

Retired WerePenguins wrote:
The Keystone Federation wrote:EXACTLY, lol thank you, this is my point, people need to wake up and actually read the thing. Also, just to clarify my statements, my father was a police officer for 20 years, so I have some knowledge of what I was saying..


It's not going to happen. Even though they voted on WA Resolution #122 "Read the Resolution Act." They will never read the resolution; they will never visit the forum; they will just look at the cute title, sometimes look at the category and strength and vote accordingly.

Wow, we could probably get half the WA resolutions repealed just by invoking this...

Makes me wish there was some sort of test we could implement to ensure that they read the resolution before voting.
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Averna II
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Postby Averna II » Sun Jan 20, 2013 5:59 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Retired WerePenguins wrote:
It's not going to happen. Even though they voted on WA Resolution #122 "Read the Resolution Act." They will never read the resolution; they will never visit the forum; they will just look at the cute title, sometimes look at the category and strength and vote accordingly.

Wow, we could probably get half the WA resolutions repealed just by invoking this...

Makes me wish there was some sort of test we could implement to ensure that they read the resolution before voting.


That is absolutely the best idea I have heard in my life.

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The Emerald and Former Crystal Isles
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Postby The Emerald and Former Crystal Isles » Sun Jan 20, 2013 6:18 pm

Averna II wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:Wow, we could probably get half the WA resolutions repealed just by invoking this...

Makes me wish there was some sort of test we could implement to ensure that they read the resolution before voting.


That is absolutely the best idea I have heard in my life.

Yeah, definitely! We may not win the vote, but we can surely draft a proposal to immediately repeal the resolution. More people just vote for resolutions without looking at the resolution, and we can exploit this with a repeal proposal.

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Kahlenberg
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Postby Kahlenberg » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:30 am

As a result of this Act being passed, the Federal Republic of Kahlenberg is forced to withdraw it's membership of the World Assembly to protect the core values of our judiciary system. We hope our absence will be of temporary nature and want to display our full support for the draft of a proposal to repeal this wretched act.

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Louisistan
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Postby Louisistan » Mon Jan 21, 2013 2:35 am

Kahlenberg wrote:As a result of this Act being passed, the Federal Republic of Kahlenberg is forced to withdraw it's membership of the World Assembly to protect the core values of our judiciary system. We hope our absence will be of temporary nature and want to display our full support for the draft of a proposal to repeal this wretched act.

John McGyver, Associate Counsel
Mr. Ambassador,
while we can certainly understand this measure, we urge you to re-enter the WA BEFORE the repeal comes to a vote. It would be very disappointing if we lost the repeal vote because all those opposed to the FPA have left the WA when the repeal comes to a vote.
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