[PASSED] Repeal "Liberate Nationalist Union"

[NSMF Fire Team Alpha]

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For the record, there is nothing stopping Antifa from placing a password on the region - liberations do not effect the power of the founder to implement a password.

Thanks for the clarification, however I still maintain that the repeal should be rejected to send a message to Antifa and its allies that their actions are not to be tolerated.

[United Federation of Canada]

OPPOSED

[Bundabunda]

AGAINST

The simple truth is that Antifa are raiders who took the region. The true natives, who have been forced to relocate twice now due to Antifa's continued bullying, should be returned home.

Under Antifa administration?
What's stopping them from coming back? You're not expecting that the founder just "hand over" the password, do you? After all our hard work (I think I was in on that mission, though not the point-man).

Thanks for the clarification, however I still maintain that the repeal should be rejected to send a message to Antifa and its allies that their actions are not to be tolerated.

They've literally tried condemning us three times. I don't know what kind of "message" this would send. This would be more like a congratulatory gift that we were vigilant, therefore successful. What would this resolution really do then? Well, for one, we'll be quicker on refounds.
Against, because the original resolution was shoddy as hell (considering that it was written by an ex Nazi Europe delegate, after all), so repealing the liberation of a refounded region just seems silly to me.

[Cromarty]

AGAINST

The simple truth is that Antifa are raiders who took the region. The true natives, who have been forced to relocate twice now due to Antifa's continued bullying, should be returned home.

Under Antifa administration?
What's stopping them from coming back?

Are you saying that the natives of Nationalist Union are indeed allowed back?

[Proletaurus]

Under Antifa administration?
What's stopping them from coming back?

Are you saying that the natives of Nationalist Union are indeed allowed back?

There is no regional password, so there is no practical obstacles which could prevent these false claiming natives to come to the region. Depending their appearance they could even stay for a while. Most arrogant False Claiming natives will be anyway directed to their new home region The Rejected Realms.

Simple truth is also that those so called natives did not take any measures to prevent Antifa to found the region.

@UDL and ilks: Now it is good time to move some 'natives' to the region, if you want set some future deep throats at place to give plausible impression of 'nativity' when ever it would be needed. *hint*

[Bundabunda]

Are you saying that the natives of Nationalist Union are indeed allowed back?

I see no password in place. Now would be some good time to show some of the defenders' sincerity by encouraging everyone from Union of Nationalists to move back.

[National Socializtiche]

wow you stalin commies are dense. moving back into a region infested with stalin commies and refounded by a commie? whats that prove? so you can just kickban them out again?

you are not the natives. you never have been. in fact your ilk have nothing in common with any nationalism. so therefore you would never found a region named "the Nationalist Union"

you guys are pathetic. using the security council to liberate regions because youre too weak to do it yourselves.

and shame on the security council for allowing it.

hasta la vista antifascista.

[Frisbeeteria]

wow you stalin commies are dense.

Wow, your post carries so much more credibility because you said it in large bold italics. The absence of a Shift key on your keyboard steals most of your thunder, but meh.

In the meantime, *** warned for flaming and garish posting. ***

[Proletaurus]

Wow! You really make my day National Socializtiche.

What you just did:

1. You gave confirmation that ANTIFA's targetting to Nationalist Union was well placed.
2. Clear impression that you do not know any history concerning WA-Security Council Liberation Proposal, which is now under process of repealing.
That Original WA-SC Proposal was not from ANTIFA origins. Rejection of your fellow nationalists from Nationalist Union and simultaneus Security council proposal under Vote were co-incidential.
3. People who participated to refoundation (= liberation) of Nationalist Union are not Stalin Lovers at all, - maybe Commies of some sort - but not 'Stalin Commies'.
4. You set the example of possible Immigrant to Nationalist Union which almost certainly will find path to The Rejected Realms.
5. You personify reason why there is Militant Game Play against Fascism and Nazism in The NationStates at all. And why there will be.
6. You are not in position where you can make any notions about Military finesses of your Enemy.

P.

[Cromarty]

Wow! You really make my day National Socializtiche.

What you just did:

1. You gave confirmation that ANTIFA's targetting to Nationalist Union was well placed.

How so, considering NS was never in Nationalist Union or it's successor regions?[/quote]

[Proletaurus]

Wow! You really make my day National Socializtiche.

What you just did:

1. You gave confirmation that ANTIFA's targetting to Nationalist Union was well placed.

How so, considering NS was never in Nationalist Union or it's successor regions?

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Rage. Sheer Animal Rage. Confirmation. Why making that funny statement if there is no 'sympathy' toward his poor nationalist fellows of Nationalist Union. I do not personally stalk and track all his possible puppets around.

In any circumstances, His desperate cry doesn't change anything important here.

Why GGR's delegate is non-executive?

[NSMF Fire Team Alpha]

Now you use the old tactic of attacking the victims of your crimes in an attempt to justify Antifa's actions and this repeal. It does not matter the philosophy of the true natives of Nationalist Union, it does not give you the right to exile them, steal their region, and claim it for your own. I urge all WA nations to Reject this resolution and demonstrate to these intruders their actions are not tolerated!

[Bundabunda]

Now you use the old tactic of attacking the victims of your crimes in an attempt to justify Antifa's actions and this repeal.

If the GGR's Delegate is a victim (and an avid Holocaust denier), then by extension I suppose you sympathize with him, correct?.These mean Antifa bullies and blah blah blah.

It does not matter the philosophy of the true natives of Nationalist Union,

Well, funny enough Antifascism is the name of the game we play. Our targets do kind of matter. If you're looking for griefers, I suggest
you go whine to The Black Riders about reckless "community destroying".

it does not give you the right to exile them, steal their region, and claim it for your own.

But it does, though! We won it by right of conquest. The past liberation doesn't change that, and this repeal won't change it. If anything, it highlights the Fleet's (I think they headed TNU) skill at refounds.

I urge all WA nations to Reject this resolution and demonstrate to these intruders their actions are not tolerated!

Meanwhile, the Delegate of the GGR not only agress with you, but he did it in a bold enough manner for me to be scared. /sarcasm.

*le snip

Thanks for the laugh pal. As for Comrade Prolesky's question, I've got 3 words: Operation Red Dawn. It's funny, but LCG is still paranoid as fuck after the "Prussians" left and before that, our friend Herrebough clinched the Delegation and destroyed the region. So if you ever wanted to know just why, that's why.

[Cerian Quilor]

Wow! You really make my day National Socializtiche.

What you just did:

5. You personify reason why there is Militant Game Play against Fascism and Nazism in The NationStates at all. And why there will be.

No, he really didn't. Antifa is a collection of self-important and sanctimonious blowhards who act like they're doing something truly meaningful. They're not.

[NSMF Fire Team Alpha]

*snip*

This is the kind of thing the WA should not tolerate. Simply because I reject this resolution, Antifa puts me in league with their "sworn enemies". This kind of arbitration of declaring who their enemies are, make them no more different than TBR. I am not a fascist and hail from a region that promotes democracy, freedom, and the right of self-determination. Your reason for existence may be to fight the fascist and nazi regions of this world, however your above responses show that that is nothing more than a cover in an attempt to blind us and make us believe you are the noble ones.

I, however, see through your veil of ignorance and ask other WA nations that support the ideal of self-determination to rise up against these noble shells and strike down their resolution. He claims that they will see it as a badge or trophy that celebrates their victory, however if it were so, they would not be so hard pressed to remove it, and Bunda here is simply trying to use some reverse psychology to deceive you into doing what he wants. I ask all of you to deny him, and his cohorts, this victory that he seeks here. The WA is not Antifa's plaything and they must be made an example.

[Kartolandia]

I believe i've already voted for the Liberation ASAP. Not sure though, if not I will be more than happy to do it.

Hugo Pinto Marques (HON)

(The Minister of Foreign Affairs)

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Wow! You really make my day National Socializtiche.

What you just did:

5. You personify reason why there is Militant Game Play against Fascism and Nazism in The NationStates at all. And why there will be.

No, he really didn't. Antifa is a collection of self-important and sanctimonious blowhards who act like they're doing something truly meaningful. They're not.

What is this, International Generalisation Day?

*snip*

This is the kind of thing the WA should not tolerate.

Are we playing "Let's make sweeping statements and inferences about the SC's goals" now? 'Cause I love that game.

Simply because I reject this resolution, Antifa puts me in league with their "sworn enemies".

One Antifa member =/= all of Antifa.

This kind of arbitration of declaring who their enemies are,

Fascists. Not tricky.

make them no more different than TBR.

TBR are indiscriminate and do not defend. Antifa are not indiscriminate and do defend similarly-aligned regions.

I am not a fascist and hail from a region that promotes democracy, freedom, and the right of self-determination.

OK.

Your reason for existence may be to fight the fascist and nazi regions of this world, however your above responses show that that is nothing more than a cover in an attempt to blind us and make us believe you are the noble ones.

No comment, I don't care enough to respond.

I, however, see through your veil of ignorance and ask other WA nations that support the ideal of self-determination to rise up against these noble shells and strike down their resolution.

May I ask what the hell you're on about at this point and whether you understand what the purpose of this resolution is?

He claims that they will see it as a badge or trophy that celebrates their victory, however if it were so, they would not be so hard pressed to remove it, and Bunda here is simply trying to use some reverse psychology to deceive you into doing what he wants.

I ask all of you to deny him, and his cohorts, this victory that he seeks here. The WA is not Antifa's plaything and they must be made an example.

The SC is not being made Antifa's plaything. That liberation resolution does not inconvenience antifascists in any way, shape or form, and repealing it does not benefit them and isn't actually wanted by them. So no.

If the SC's anybody's plaything, it's the defenders'.

[Bundabunda]

This is the kind of thing the WA should not tolerate.

I agree, which is why the liberation should've never come up in the first place., much less this pointless repeal.

Simply because I reject this resolution, Antifa puts me in league with their "sworn enemies".

Don't blame me because you're cateogrizing Holocaust deniers (or "revisionists", as they like to be called) in the league of victims who don't deserve to have their hate-speech platform taken away.

This kind of arbitration of declaring who their enemies are,

You're from Kyzikos, a defender hub, right? I think Antifa's already got the title of fascist collaborator, going on the "No Nazi Policy" and doing exactly the opposite.

make them no more different than TBR.

Except you forget to highlight that the Fleet, as well as my own group (Regional Defense Committee) also serves a defensive purpose as well.

I am not a fascist and hail from a region that promotes democracy, freedom, and the right of self-determination.

Defenders are self-serving egoists who serve their own protectionist agenda so they're the ones looking like the heroes in the end.

Your reason for existence may be to fight the fascist and nazi regions of this world, however your above responses show that that is nothing more than a cover in an attempt to blind us and make us believe you are the noble ones.

So then we should raid every founderless we see? An agenda along the lines of....the Black Riders?

I, however, see through your veil of ignorance and ask other WA nations that support the ideal of self-determination to rise up against these noble shells and strike down their resolution.

I'll wait for you to invite the natives back. There's actually nothing on the WFE implying that they're forbidden from the region.

He claims that they will see it as a badge or trophy that celebrates their victory, however if it were so, they would not be so hard pressed to remove it, and Bunda here is simply trying to use some reverse psychology to deceive you into doing what he wants. I ask all of you to deny him, and his cohorts, this victory that he seeks here.

Our victory was six months back, when defenders failed and used the WA to take out their shortcomings. In all sincerity, it doesn't matter to me. What's done is done. It'll be Antifa, and not UDL/FRA, that decides TNU's future.

The WA is not Antifa's plaything and they must be made an example.

The Dourian Embassy is an honorary member of SRBT, the Fleet's specialized group. You think we're involved in the WA unless we're forced to? Please.
When's the last time you saw a pro-Antifa resolution The liberation tool is used mostly by UDL/FRA types who want to take their frustrations of their losses and call it "fair". If that's justice, I guess Antifa's holier-than thou.
I can tell you that I could give less of a damn what happens to this resolution. It simply won't have any effect on TNU.

[National Socializtiche]

except if its liberated again. sending your simpleton nations back to TRR where you belong.

its well known that antifa and your buddy "the durian embassy" are in cohorts.

its just sad you stalin commies cant just take a region legitimately. then hide behind the cries of "we didnt do it!!"

yeah right.

[Bundabunda]

except if its liberated again. sending your simpleton nations back to TRR where you belong.

its well known that antifa and your buddy "the durian embassy" are in cohorts.

its just sad you stalin commies cant just take a region legitimately. then hide behind the cries of "we didnt do it!!"

yeah right.

Actually, we did do it. This whole resolution is proving my point that Antifa does a lot of things, mostly destroying fascist regions. But thanks for showing the Security Council that the GGR's finest are misinformed.

Dourian Embassy? Cohorts how? For us applauding his exploitation of the SC?

It's clear that you don't understand what "legitimately", in terms of NS gameplay, actually means. Legitimately is a delegate putting down a pass on a captured region (which was done in TNU), which a resolution takes down. But then again, I forget. "Gameplay" to GGR means founding regions which never existed. That's the definition of gameplay, because if it wasn't, then "Reichsfuherin" LCG would be wrong.

Now that can't be a possibility now, can it?

[Captain Woodhouse]

Fascists. Not tricky.

Tricky when you have a selective memory. Fascists, capitalists, imperialists and whatever smells funny at the moment.

[Cromarty]

This kind of arbitration of declaring who their enemies are,

Fascists. Not tricky.

So why were they in Nationalist Union in the first place?

[National Socializtiche]

creating regions that didnt exist? thats THE antifa Modus operandi.

Anti Defamation League? thats a fake region? or how about "The USSR" that one fake too?

you are really are reaching so desperately

keep trying, stalin communists

[Proletaurus]

creating regions that didnt exist? thats THE antifa Modus operandi.

Anti Defamation League? thats a fake region? or how about "The USSR" that one fake too?

you are really are reaching so desperately

keep trying, stalin communists

OMG! Outrageous. Anti-fascists Founds regions that do not Exist!

WTF! Please tell me how you found region which already exists? If you know how, you know also which one would be first in line for refounding, from our perspective.
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@Cromarty: Please do not pretend anymore that you're not perfectly aware why we are in Nationalist Union.

[National Socializtiche]

yeah, and as you very well know by the theft of this region by unscrupulous means and by not taking it legitimately and having to liberate it to get it. once the founder is displaced or ceases to exist you can kick everyone out and refound it claiming youre the natives.

ill be writing a liberation as soon as this passes so that it make be placed back into real nationalist hands.