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Iron Monkeys wrote:This is a terrible idea! Repeal "Commend 10000 Islands!?" Come on! They earned that commendation. You can't just take it away! If you think that it upsets the "neutrality" of the WA, you should have thought of that before you commended them! There are much more useful things the WA could be doing instead, I'm sure. This is a wretched idea; don't vote for it.

You remind me of the pro/opponets in the issues.

I am not denying that the role of defender is not noble,I once wanted to go down the path of defender I still might one day, I believe that defender/raider conflicts should be kept out of WA proposals as much as possible as having those two sides debate will really not convince anyone of anything other than their dislike for each other. by repealing this proposal you are not diminishing the respect for 1000 islands or trying to say that there defending is un-important or wrong.I also respect raiders and your should know that they are also not as bad as some would have you believe.

Theres the 3000 votes that Grub and Niavetry were so worried about knocking over.

It's so nice to know that the Security Council can be so easily deceived by an invader smear campaign. Congratulations on yet another constructive debate.

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:It's so nice to know that the Security Council can be so easily deceived by an invader smear campaign. Congratulations on yet another constructive debate.

Yes, I'm so glad that we managed to decieve all those hopelessly naive people into furthering our agenda. [/sarcasm]

Seriously, there was no "smear campaign" involved. I didn't go there and spread lies. I told the truth, and that is what has hurt you the most.

Interesting. We now have enshrined in WA law (well, SC law anyway...) the concept that the WA must remain entirely neutral when handing out C&Cs. I wonder, does this policy of neutrality extend to Liberation resolutions as well? And how exactly do you commend, condemn or liberate while staying entirely neutral?

It didn't even remove the commendation. but you all should know that the WA neutrality is in defender/raider affairs I have said it many times and so have other people.

The votes are in and the repeal of our 10000 Islands commendation has gone through. Despite this repeal, nothing has changed in the two plus months since our original commendation that passed by over 1,200 votes. Our original commendation was put forward by a non English speaker who was simply thankful that the 10000 Islands was able to protect his region from an invader attack. The repeal of this commendation does not diminish what we do and have done in NationStates. Whether we have a badge about it or not, the words and thought of that commendation still ring true and will remain in our forum. We are still happy to be the first region in NationStates history to be commended and we thank those who did vote for us, great and small.

Here are a couple thoughts I want to be known. First, this commendation system is broken and must be fixed by our game's creator, Max Barry. I still like the idea of this system, but it is not working as it should. Since our original commendation passed by a wide margin, there have been no less than eight attempted repeals since then until this one finally stuck. It seems crazy to me to be commended and then have a continual fight about it afterward. Commendations should continue to have some sort of repeal system, but not this current one. As it stands right now, commendations/condemnations don't mean much if they aren't lasting. There should be some sort of a minimum waiting period before any repeals can be proposed.

For our enemies, remember the words of Admiral Yamamoto, "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." Our enemies have badly underestimated us, but I promise that when all is said and done that they will not have the same view. Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words. Whether it is in a big public display or just simple behind the scenes stuff, you have messed with the wrong region. Since this repeal started, we have had many join our ranks and ask to help fight the bullies of this game. On the flip side, we have even had several known and lesser known invaders offer their services to us as well. Time will tell of their true intent, but there has been a shift and it does not favor those who take joy by preying on regular regions that are just having fun playing NationStates.

TITO and the 10000 Islands will continue to fight against those who pick on the weak or unsuspecting. When our region had about 20 nations in it we were also attacked unfairly. With the help of outsiders, we manged to defeat the invaders and later conquered their homeland. For all of those unaware, please check out the region of the Empire of Power.

The 10000 Islands will continue to fight against those who wish to take away your freedom. Stand up with us now and in the future to help us fight against the bullies of this game. Old and new nations alike are welcome to join us on this great mission!

Sincerely,
Grub
Founder - 10000 Islands

P.S. This is the message I got from Aegara shortly after the repeal went through.

"Winner:
"a person or thing that wins; victor."
This is *exactly* what I just did. I hope you don't feel too naked without your Commend. XD"

Yeah, no hard feelings at all from us closing down his embassy because we *knew* he was an invader. Aegara, don't you know that the 10000 Islands has a pretty far reach? You will.

Kalibarr wrote:but you all should know that the WA neutrality is in defender/raider affairs I have said it many times and so have other people.

But that's not what it says. It says:

WISHING to maintain the time honoured tradition of World Assembly neutrality and fairness to all nations and regions;

HEREBY repeals "Commend 10000 Islands" on the grounds that displays obvious ideological and technical flaws.

The bit about defender bias is in the clause before that and raiders are never mentioned anywhere in the text. Apparently we now have a "time honoured tradition of World Assembly neutrality and fairness to all nations and regions".

Just wanted to say thanks to the people who voted against this repeal. I know there were valid reasons for supporting it instead, so I appreciate it.

Ananke II,
10000 Islands

Seconding what Ananke said - thanks for all the support guys, regardless of the outcome.

Well said Grub.

Grub wrote:It seems crazy to me to be commended and then have a continual fight about it afterward. Commendations should continue to have some sort of repeal system, but not this current one. As it stands right now, commendations/condemnations don't mean much if they aren't lasting. There should be some sort of a minimum waiting period before any repeals can be proposed.

Welcome to the WA.

So, shall we make a retooled and reworded commendation? I'd support it.

Oh, please do. The revolving door of 10000 Island commendations and repeals would be well worth the price of admission.

Kalibarr wrote:I also respect raiders and your should know that they are also not as bad as some would have you believe.

Examples please?

Grub wrote:Since this repeal started, we have had many join our ranks and ask to help fight the bullies of this game.

There's no such thing as "bad publicity", is there?

Has this farce ended now? What about removing the shiny badge on the WFE?

I'm so glad I haven't joined the WA.

This all makes for very entertaining reading, but seems even more silly to me than the NSG mayhem.

Carry on!

The Most Glorious Hack wrote:Oh, please do. The revolving door of 10000 Island commendations and repeals would be well worth the price of admission.

10000 Islands - God forbid what would happen if that mistake is made again...

You know what will happen ND!

Anyway, I would like to ask a question to Aegara, as I'm sure many have asked before: how do you exactly commend/condemn/liberate while being neutral? And why does it have to be neutral anyway?

King Kulla wrote:So, shall we make a retooled and reworded commendation? I'd support it.

So long as I can write up a Liberate Feudal Japan resolution, lol

Todd McCloud wrote:

King Kulla wrote:So, shall we make a retooled and reworded commendation? I'd support it.

So long as I can write up a Liberate Feudal Japan resolution, lol

We must speak on this issue Todd

The WA has gotten a tiny bit of dignity back, we still have a lot of really stupid resolutions to repeal though...

But first, I wouldn't mind seeing a new commendation, (so long as it doesn't make us look like a bunch of first graders).

Kalibarr wrote:I am not denying that the role of defender is not noble,I once wanted to go down the path of defender I still might one day, I believe that defender/raider conflicts should be kept out of WA proposals as much as possible as having those two sides debate will really not convince anyone of anything other than their dislike for each other. by repealing this proposal you are not diminishing the respect for 1000 islands or trying to say that there defending is un-important or wrong.I also respect raiders and your should know that they are also not as bad as some would have you believe.

This is so well written I'm QFT--quoting for truth.

If defenders want to sling vitriol and hate that is their business, but I don't exactly see those high morals for which they so frequently claim they should be "commended"--nor do I see raiders jumping in with misinformation or hostility so the claims of our lack of morals seems to have been greatly exaggerated! This is and always has been about the fact that REGION2 does A in the game and REGION1 does B, and both A and B are completely legal according to the NS rules. Thus, you don't "commend" a region for doing A--it's completely legal and just the option they chose. And you don't "comdemn" a region for doing B--it is also completely legal and just the side of the game they chose.

If an entire region is to be commended or condemned, it is because the entire region behaved in a way ABOVE AND BEYOND on the behalf of the entire game! That includes "above and beyond" for defenders, raiders, Role Players, and ALL the nations. The commendation for Kandarin is deserved and appropriate because he has gone "above and beyond" on the behalf of the game as a whole and all nations, with impartiality and neutrality as best as humanly possible to the A versus B.

So a great justice has been served today and the voice of the World Assembly has spoken: we want a neutral, impartial governing body in NationStates!