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The Two Jerseys
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:32 am

The Honorable Representative of the United Kingdom of the Two Jerseys rises to his feet during the debate and begins shouting:

"I have had enough of this useless feel-good legislation! This is not even an international issue! Furthermore, the language of this resolution explicitly contradicts itself, first it explicitly says that minors cannot handle firearms, then it says that they can handle firearms! Does anybody even read these proposals before they vote on them? All of you voting in favor of this should be ashamed!"

Wheezing, he collapses into his chair, and his aides quickly remove him from the floor lest he continue his rant and further overexert himself.
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Postby Cowardly Pacifists » Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:51 am

The Two Jerseys wrote:This is not even an international issue! Furthermore, the language of this resolution explicitly contradicts itself, first it explicitly says that minors cannot handle firearms, then it says that they can handle firearms! Does anybody even read these proposals before they vote on them? All of you voting in favor of this should be ashamed!

I know the common practice is for authors to step away from the debate once their proposal is at vote. But at the risk of bucking that tradition, I will chime in to mention that there is nothing contradictory about the proposal. The rule of the Act has exceptions (contained in the "Clarifies" clauses) that were a product of healthy debate and compromise with other ambassadors. There's nothing contradictory about a rule with exceptions. Most rules have them. Even the rule against homicide has a self-defense exception.

As to your opinion that this is not an international issue, that's absurd. Child protection has been considered an area of international concern at least as far back as GA #4.

I will try to refrain from further comments and be content to let the people voice their pleasure/displeasure with this proposal. But I take offense at the notion that I did something bad by agreeing to modify the rule with reasonable exceptions.
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Scootaworld
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Postby Scootaworld » Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:01 pm

Useful, practical. No contradictions in legislation. Certainly is in correct category, etc. Drafted by an old friend.

For.

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Postby Otaku Stratus » Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:09 pm

No more father-son shooting matches? Repugnant.

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Postby Chunk of Dirt » Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:27 pm

Not that it's a bad idea to protect your children, but I don't believe that this should to be an international law.

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Postby Louisistan » Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:47 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:Does anybody even read these proposals before they vote on them?

Special Ambassador Max Schneider, obviously a little drunk, stumbles to the microphone.
Acshually, no! Thiss propossal was ... propossed before I took officce. Sssso, I jusst did, what the little yellow post it sssticker ssaiid and voted FOR! CHEERS!
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Postby Eireann Fae » Mon Jan 07, 2013 1:50 pm

"Since this vile proposal has hit the voting floor, we feel it necessary to reiterate our position on the matter. While we support keeping firearms out of the hands of those not competent to wield such weapons, we do not support making this distinction on a purely Ageist basis. Therefore, we cast our vote against this proposal."

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Postby Collingwood1 » Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:50 pm

One Common Saying in Collingwood1 regarding Guns is "Guns Don't Kill People, People Kill People" And thats why we vote aganist also it dons't do anything
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Postby The Jahistic Unified Republic » Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:55 pm

We'll just lower the age of majority to 14 if you want to do it like that.-- Jahistic Representative to the WA.

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Postby Eireann Fae » Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:01 pm

Rowan turns to address the Jahistic Ambassador. "There are many nations, such as my own, that lack an age of majority completely. Yet another reason to base such things as firearm safety on the competence of the wielder of the weapon, and not on some arbitrary passage of years or shifts in lifecycles."

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Postby Yes Im Biop » Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:04 pm

Delegate Jason Cloud watches the bill "No, Our primary manufacturing is arm's. This would hurt our Main indestury horribly, seeing as most children get their first gun at the age of 8."
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Postby The Jahistic Unified Republic » Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:11 pm

Eireann Fae wrote:Rowan turns to address the Jahistic Ambassador. "There are many nations, such as my own, that lack an age of majority completely. Yet another reason to base such things as firearm safety on the competence of the wielder of the weapon, and not on some arbitrary passage of years or shifts in lifecycles."

Our age of majority is based for things such as voting and marriage. We find no reason that a person of fit mind and body (as proven by getting a gun license via passing a test) to be restricted further by age. I, personally, shot my first gun at 12.

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Postby The Austro-Germanian Empire » Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:30 pm

CAUSE INJURY TO HOME INVADERS! It is necessary to nod only defend yourself, but your property as well this law is dumb and unjustified!

VOTE AGAINST!

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Postby Abacathea » Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:22 pm

The Austro-Germanian Empire wrote:CAUSE INJURY TO HOME INVADERS! It is necessary to nod only defend yourself, but your property as well this law is dumb and unjustified!

VOTE AGAINST!


Dearest delegate,

This seems a highly inadequate viewing of this legislation. This act does not prevent ownership of firearms, nor does it prevent you defending yourself with the firearm, it merely states the gun cannot be accessed by a minor. This is common sense. Dumb, no, unjustified, no. Your against vote, of course your own free choice.

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In Ireland where our gun laws are quite rigid, the law states a firearm, must be kept in a mounted safe, with ammunition stores seperately, you'll find this has never hindered anyones attempts to defend their home
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Postby Canadaiana » Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:34 pm

Alqania wrote:Princess Christine was positively surprised by the realisation that she was about to declare support for a proposal coming from the Cowardly Pacifists, so it was in a light tone that she took the floor.

"The Queendom already has in place the educational requirements of this proposal, not only for the persons here referenced but for any and every person desiring gun ownership. While this issue may intuitively not be perceived as very international, we do believe that the right of every child to a safe home environment does trump member states' claims to national sovereignty over gun control. We suspect that getting this proposal passed may prove a rather challenging endeavour, but as currently written, we would certainly give it our vote."


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Postby Flibbleites » Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:34 pm

Cowardly Pacifists wrote:
The Two Jerseys wrote:This is not even an international issue! Furthermore, the language of this resolution explicitly contradicts itself, first it explicitly says that minors cannot handle firearms, then it says that they can handle firearms! Does anybody even read these proposals before they vote on them? All of you voting in favor of this should be ashamed!

I know the common practice is for authors to step away from the debate once their proposal is at vote.

Really? Since when? I know I've always been around to defend my resolutions while they're at vote, and I can't think of anyone who didn't do likewise.

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Quelesh
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Postby Quelesh » Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:15 pm

It is fortunate that nations that do not have a threshold of majority will not be affected by this resolution, but I agree with my faerie colleague. If it is necessary for us to discriminate, then we should discriminate solely on the basis of actual competence. We should not require nations that have an age of majority to add yet another age-based restriction to their statutes.

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Linkiton
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Postby Linkiton » Mon Jan 07, 2013 6:13 pm

The Community of Linkiton, though approving of the concern for safety expressed in this Act, voted against said Act because of clauses 4 and 5. While acknowledging that the nations represented at the World Assembly have very different positions on the question of firearms, the people of Linkiton remained adamant that firearms should not, in any case, be placed into the hands of their children. Should the Act be passed, it would still constitute, in our eyes, a welcome advance in the protection of children against lethal weapons. Our vote against, then, is meant as an incentive for further regulation, not less.

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Postby Glorious Land of Freedom » Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:58 pm

This proposal SHOULD NOT be an international issue, as many others have said. The Armed Republic of Glorious Land of Freedom encourages all nations to vote against, as this is an issue that should be up to the individual states to decide.

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Eireann Fae
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Postby Eireann Fae » Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:18 pm

"Fuck it," cries Rowan, in an uncharacteristicly rude manner. She had been watching the votes steadily climb in this bill's favour. "I shall be at the bar if anybody should require my services. This Assembly has lost all sense, and I aim to lose my own senses, lest I lose my sanity." Epiſkœ, who usually seems amused at her young translator's endless frustration with adult stupidity, now merely appears distressed. With a last sullen look at the ignorant rabble comprising the Chamber, she follows Rowan to the fifth floor, ready to drown in a thimble of mead.

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Postby Retired WerePenguins » Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:07 pm

James Blonde enters the chamber and begins to speak. "Ladies and Gentlemen," he begins. "I rise strongly oppose the resolution before us, a wolf covered in sheep's clothing; a golden fleece none the less, but still a wolf at the core. In spite of the soft words and gentle language, the purpose of this resolution is clear; to tighten gun control."

James Blonde then pulls out a Walther PPK pistol from his vest.

"This, Ladies and Gentlemen, is a gun. It is the very thing this resolution seeks to tighten and regulate. It should never be given to a minor - clause number two - unless that minor is properly trained - clause number four - or if you are claiming you are training said minor - clause number five. In short; this resolution doesn't do a damn thing. The so called 'exception' basically overshadows the rule."

James Blonde takes a moment to carefully examine the Walther PPK.

"As I mentioned, this is a gun; a particularly crappy gun at that. This resolution is also particularly crappy also. Only clause number three makes any sense and that is so much common sense that one wonders why one needs an international law on safe storage of weapons in the first place. And I would like to point to an omission in the resolution; there is nothing to require that children be taught a healthy fear of guns. This allows the combination of reasonable safety and modicum restraint from normally curious children without the need for a resolution whose effect is to merely tighten gun control."

James Blonde puts his Walther PPK back into his vest.

"It is a good thing that the delegation of Cowardly Pacifists does not want to defend their resolution in public. I, for one, don't blame them. Clearly this resolution will pass by the wildest of margins; so lacking in common sense of many of the delegates who have never entered this chamber. And quite frankly, I wouldn't trust any of those idiots with guns in the first place, so perhaps some good will come of this."
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Postby Suinae » Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:18 pm

As my first official act as Representative of the Federation of Suinae, I strongly object to this proposal.

What this decree does is impose international will onto our domestic affairs. As a Capitalistic society, Suinae believes strongly in Natural Selection.

The children of those dumb enough to leave their weapons in areas accessible by children, are likely going to be dumb themselves. By allowing them to kill themselves, we are advancing the cause of Natural Selection.

How dare you get in the way of our Nation's progress!

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Isaris
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Postby Isaris » Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:35 pm

In relation to this resolution, what is the definition of a "firearm"? I also would like to know, will this resolution make it unlawful to provide a "firearm" to a child who is uneducated in firearms use and safety for the purposes of self-defense in an emergency situation such as a home invasion, or attempted assault/murder?

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Postby The Princehood of Lithonia » Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:39 pm

Prince Fias looked at the vote count intently. When his eyes alighted upon the number of votes for the proposal, he winced. He shook his head in disgust and gripped the handle of his sword. After a few seconds, he sighed deeply, relaxing his hands. "Although I am sad to see this proposal doing so well, I admit that its current success is proof of the great diplomatic ability of the Cowardly Pacifists." Fias rubbed his temples to rid himself of his throbbing headache, and continued, "I congratulate you on the very likely passage of this bill. Hopefully we can work together and agree on your next successful WA endeavor."

Fias sat down and began writing laws for his nation that would bring it into compliance with this act.

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Postby Indonaak » Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:54 pm

Maybe change negligently provide child with gun to "grossly negligent" Negligent is forgeting it's on the table when you rush out of the house cause your car's on fire. Grossly negligent is putting the gun in front of your kid and blindfolding yourself

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