[DEFEATED] Liberate NAZI EUROPE

[Thomas Insaniac]

I just want to point out that in this case -- possibly for the first time, I'm not sure -- the liberation resolution is openly being used to enable military action. In other words, this proposal would permanently remove NAZI EUROPE's password protection so that other regions can invade it at will given the threat it has posed and continues to pose to interregional peace and goodwill.

So we can spread interregional peace and goodwill by... making it easier to invade and grief a region whose ideology we disagree with?

Next I'm sure you would have us fight hunger by shooting starving kids.

I don't often vote on security counsel stuff, but in this case I'll make an exception. AGAINST.

We can spread interregional peace and goodwill by... removing a potential threat to other regions.

[Lysandrion]

We can spread interregional peace and goodwill by... removing a potential threat to other regions.

This resolution creates such a threat.

[Arkasian]

I'm sorry, but the Arkasian Kindom has imposed a royal blackout, where we have not received any new from the outside workd for the last six months. So can anyone bring us up to speed why we should vote "YES" or vote "NO" for the "Liberate Nazi Europe issue now before the World Government.

Empress Lego
Kingdom of Arkasia

[Cromarty]

I'm sorry, but the Arkasian Kindom has imposed a royal blackout, where we have not received any new from the outside workd for the last six months. So can anyone bring us up to speed why we should vote "YES" or vote "NO" for the "Liberate Nazi Europe issue now before the World Government.

Empress Lego
Kingdom of Arkasia

Nazi Europe violated Rule 1.

Thus they must burn.

Vote for the resolution.

[Thomas Insaniac]

We can spread interregional peace and goodwill by... removing a potential threat to other regions.

This resolution creates such a threat.

It creates a threat for one region that has a history for fulfilling the threats to multiple other regions.

EDIT: forgot a few words in my my sentence.

[Novus Niciae]

This resolution creates such a threat.

It creates a threat for one region that has a history for fulfilling the threats to multiple other regions.

EDIT: forgot a few words in my my sentence.

I agree here, if NAZI EUROPE has to devote its manpower to defence it will not be as large of a threat to decent regions. Also I changed my vote from against to for, But it will probably do nothing since they will probably refound their region with a subtly different name to circumvent this.

[Gulf Shores]

i think we vote FOR if he DISHES IT OUT HE MUST TAKE IT

[Lysandrion]

It creates a threat for one region that has a history for fulfilling the threats to multiple other regions.

And when actually was the last time NE invaded any other region? There are much more active invaders around the NS world - and somehow nobody cares. By closing its borders NE reduces immigration, thus limiting the population growth. Actually they do not seem to pose a serious threat - surely not enough to convince me to breach the SC principles.

So the only reason of this proposal is its author's dislike of the region's supposed political alingment. But WASC is not the Spanish Inquisition, you know.

[Alvaradia]

Why not just actually have moderators that ban real NAZIs from the site (not spoof Falangist regimes like mine of course) instead of even letting them post? You can tell who is role-playing and who is not VERY easily.

That said, I am completely for this resolution on the grounds that NAZIs should not be tolerated anywhere.

[Dagguerro]

Nazi Europe violated Rule 1.

Rule 1? Do not act incautiously when confronting little bald wrinkly smiling men? Not sure how that is relevant to international affairs personally.

(Bonus points if you get the reference without googling. )

[Baiynistan]

I believe a region should have the right to autonomy, as long as their actions do not violate site or game rules, even if their ideology is vastly different from that of my own nation. It is because of this that I vote against the motion.

[Thomas Insaniac]

I believe a region should have the right to autonomy, as long as their actions do not violate site or game rules, even if their ideology is vastly different from that of my own nation. It is because of this that I vote against the motion.

Well, if you believe that every region should have autonomy, why are you trying to protect a region that has violated the autonomy of other regions?

[Southern Iraq]

This security council resolution must not be passed! It promotes imperialist ambitions, and threatens the sovereignty of free states around the globe. Under the orders of the supreme leader, the dictatorship of southern Iraq hereby condemns this security council resolution as an instigator for the involvement in the internal affairs of free nations. "

We give our moral support To NAZI Europe against any imperialists ambitions and aknowledge their right to deal with any internal affair the way they see fit."
- Supreme Leader of the Dictatorship of Southern Iraq

[Lysandrion]

Well, if you believe that every region should have autonomy, why are you trying to protect a region that has violated the autonomy of other regions?

And what were you doing when NE violated the autonomy of other regions? Funny thing, but the most respected defending organisations generally tend to disapprove the proposal, yet many nations which show little (if any) interest in protecting those poor regions when they actually need help, suddenly become so concerned when given a chance for an easy raid . So what I want to ask is - who's the real bad guy here?

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

This security council resolution must not be passed! It promotes imperialist ambitions, and threatens the sovereignty of free states around the globe. Under the orders of the supreme leader, the dictatorship of southern Iraq hereby condemns this security council resolution as an instigator for the involvement in the internal affairs of free nations. "

We give our moral support To NAZI Europe against any imperialists ambitions and aknowledge their right to deal with any internal affair the way they see fit."
- Supreme Leader of the Dictatorship of Southern Iraq

NAZI EUROPE has the Imperialist tag too.

[Thomas Insaniac]

Well, if you believe that every region should have autonomy, why are you trying to protect a region that has violated the autonomy of other regions?

And what were you doing when NE violated the autonomy of other regions? Funny thing, but the most respected defending organisations generally tend to disapprove the proposal, yet many nations which show little (if any) interest in protecting those poor regions when they actually need help, suddenly become so concerned when given a chance for an easy raid . So what I want to ask is - who's the real bad guy here?

I didn't say I cared about the autonomy of NE/regions. I was just curious as to why a person who cares about Autonomy is supporting people who violated the Autonomy of others.

[Lysandrion]

I was just curious as to why a person who cares about Autonomy is supporting people who violated the Autonomy of others.

Firstly - beacuse nations don't necessarily have to raid the raider region in order

to respond to threats posed by

this region. Secondly - beacuse in this case the whole idea of "better responding to a threat" is simply a smoke-screen covering author's attmept to initiate the political purge. And last but not least - because when someone tries to make SC into a tool of such purges, any person who cares about regional autonomy is aware of the inevitable implications.

[Thomas Insaniac]

I was just curious as to why a person who cares about Autonomy is supporting people who violated the Autonomy of others.

Firstly - beacuse nations don't necessarily have to raid the raider region in order

to respond to threats posed by

this region.

Ok

Secondly - beacuse in this case the whole idea of "better responding to a threat" is simply a smoke-screen covering author's attmept to initiate the political purge. And last but not least - because when someone tries to make SC into a tool of such purges, any person who cares about regional autonomy is aware of the inevitable implications.

Initiate a Political Purge? You give Cormac waaaaaaaay too much credit.

[Lysandrion]

Initiate a Political Purge? You give Cormac waaaaaaaay too much credit.

Really? Well, considering that the proposal is full of reminders that NE is a spooky, evil Nazi region which has connections with other spooky evil Nazi regions and that the region's political alingment is actually a key - and in case of many nations, which expressed their opinion in this thread - the sole consistent argument to vote for, I do not think there is much more behind this resolution than plain ideological hostility. And while I'd gladly get rid of the Nazism in NS, I'd rather not do it the Nazi way.

[Bob10101010]

Invaders are bad Nazi are bad if you love freedom not supporting homicidal war criminals who are the greatest scourge on in all of history vote FOR

[Captain Woodhouse]

And when actually was the last time NE invaded any other region? There are much more active invaders around the NS world - and somehow nobody cares.

Correct, no one cares. The resolution has nothing whatsoever to do with any NE invasion or invasion attempt. For the record, this is Cormac's justification for a legal lynching:

http://nsdossier.texasregion.net/histor ... tart=&end=

That's right, population "1" for most of its existence. Cormac has said that "NAZI EUROPE mobilized WA units in Groom Lake, a Communist and anti-fascist region, last month."

Groom Lake was never a Communist region. That's another Cormac fabrication. And the MT Army (anti-fascist) couldn't have cared less about Groom Lake otherwise they'd've held on to it. For almost two years, Groom Lake rested in peace until Shira Bell—an alleged fascist—refounded it and a bunch of others discarded by the MT Army. Gosh, that's finders keepers, losers weepers in my book. It was a fascist region when Felix entered it, and I followed. Cormac has manipulated the truth considerably to pull one over on the Security Council and WA voters.

I've said why CR and I were in Groom Lake. Any of the other nations that had wandered in were not NE. If Cormac wants to debate it—and I suspect he knows it's safer to stick to his unsubstantiated bs here—he can make a Gameplay thread.

the sole consistent argument to vote for, I do not think there is much more behind this resolution than plain ideological hostility

Bingo. As I've said, since UDL moonlighters have been unable to invade NE and rid the NS world of the name, Nazi Europe, they cooked up this plan to remove the password. The password is all that's stopping them. It stopped UDLer Cromarty/Georgie from breaking in. Here he is grumbling about our password on Osiris's forum:

http://s13.zetaboards.com/Osiris_NS/sin ... &t=6969347

Nazi Europe violated Rule 1.

Thus they must burn.

Vote for the resolution.

You've made the rounds posting that same bit on numerous region forums. Private joke, Georgie?

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

You've made the rounds posting that same bit on numerous region forums. Private joke, Georgie?

Apparently Rule 1 is "Don't fuck with RP regions." News to me.

[Cromarty]

You've made the rounds posting that same bit on numerous region forums. Private joke, Georgie?

Apparently Rule 1 is "Don't fuck with RP regions." News to me.

Ignorance of the Rules is no excuse.

[Cromarty]

the sole consistent argument to vote for, I do not think there is much more behind this resolution than plain ideological hostility

Bingo. As I've said, since UDL moonlighters have been unable to invade NE and rid the NS world of the name, Nazi Europe, they cooked up this plan to remove the password. The password is all that's stopping them. It stopped UDLer Cromarty/Georgie from breaking in. Here he is grumbling about our password on Osiris's forum:

http://s13.zetaboards.com/Osiris_NS/sin ... &t=6969347

Um, I'm not a 'UDL moonlighter'. I'm the head of the freaking Medjai Guard, the military of Osiris.

[Konservativ]

Nazi Europe simply has the right to exist and defend itself how can you justify attacking a region just because it's fascist?