[DEFEATED] Condemn Raxus Caedus Turn

[Sedgistan]

Delegates can approve the proposal here!

Condemn Raxus Caedus Turn

Category: Condemnation | Nominee: Raxus Caedus Turn | Proposed By: Skyrim Diplomacy

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Description: The Security Council,

BELIEVING that the sovereignty of democratically elected officials should not be infringed upon, nor should any legitimate government be usurped by an oppressive and dictatorial regime,

IDENTIFYING Raxus Caedus Turn (Turn) as a large, multi-faceted nation that controls many other nations, including The Controller, and as the primary antagonist in the region Markarth,

NOTING that Turn, via The Controller, ejected and banned the rightful government of Markarth in an unprecedented and unwarranted coup, placing the region under martial law while suppressing free speech and threatening the same to all nations in the region,

FURTHER NOTING that Turn shut down the forums of Markarth, which are the heart and soul of every region, essentially killing off any meaningful discussion or dissent that may have risen,

DISCLOSING that Turn has perpetrated these same crimes on multiple occasions with multiple regions, including the now-defunct Imperial Clindean Order, The Genesis Corporation, and Athos,

DISGUSTED that Turn not only encouraged but employed puppet-flooding to artificially boost the regional population of Markarth to untruthfully portray a sense of power and numbers in the world, both militarily and otherwise,

HORRIFIED that Turn has forcibly removed or destroyed many facets of the Markarth cultural heritage, including the forum and regional news service, and threatened ejection to all nations in the region should their leaders voice any dissent,

OBSERVING that Turn has raider affiliations at large and has used military strength to raid with the Imperial Clindean Order and Markarth,

REVEALING that Turn was at the helm of The Genesis Corporation (TGC), once one of the largest regions in the world, shortly before the complete and utter collapse of the region due to the power-grab and resignation of Turn, after which TGC stagnated for many months,

RECOGNIZING that such heinous and world-wide crimes cannot go unattended nor unrecognized,

HEREBY CONDEMNS Raxus Caedus Turn.

[Corporation de Apple]

(Image) Condemn Raxus Caedus Turn

Category: Condemnation | Nominee: Raxus Caedus Turn | Proposed By: Skyrim Diplomacy

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Description: The Security Council,

BELIEVING that the sovereignty of democratically elected officials should not be infringed upon, nor should any legitimate government be usurped by an oppressive and dictatorial regime,

IDENTIFYING Raxus Caedus Turn (Turn) as a large, multi-faceted nation that controls many other nations, including The Controller, as the primary antagonist in the region Markarth,

NOTING that Turn, via the Controller, ejected and banned the rightful government of Markarth in an unprecedented and unwarranted coup, placing the region under martial law while suppressing free speech and threatening the same to all nations in the region,

FURTHER NOTING that Turn shut down the forums of Markarth, which are the heart and soul of every region, essentially killing off any meaningful discussion or dissent that may have risen,

DISCLOSING that Turn has perpetrated these same crimes on multiple occasions with multiple regions, including the now-defunct Imperial Clindean Order, The Genesis Corporation, and Athos,

DISGUSTED that Turn not only encouraged but employed puppet-flooding to artificially boost the regional population of Markarth to untruthfully portray a sense of power and numbers in the world, both militarily and otherwise,

HORRIFIED that Turn has forcibly removed or destroyed many facets of the Markarth cultural heritage, including the forum and regional news service, and threatened ejection to all nations in the region should their leaders voice any dissent,

POINTING OUT OBSERVING that Turn has raider affiliations at large and has used military strength to raid with the Imperial Clindean Order, Markarth, and in the shadows as the Aeazen Combine,

APPREHENSIVELY REVEALING OBSERVING that Turn was at the helm of The Genesis Corporation (TGC), once one of the largest regions in the world, shortly before the complete and utter collapse of the region due to the power-grab and resignation of Turn, after which TGC stagnated for many months,

REALIZING RECOGNIZING that such heinous and world-wide crimes cannot go unattended nor unrecognized,

HEREBY CONDEMNS Raxus Caedus Turn.

Apart from that, the Government of Markarth-in-exile supports this Condemnation to the utmost.

[Ambroscus Koth]

At this time I can't say whether I'm for or against since I don't want this child to bask in the attention he so clearly wants.

However I do recognize that Raxus' actions are absolutely despicable, and his repeated actions against the people of NationStates are worthy of much more than a condemnation.

[Corporation de Apple]

At this time I can't say whether I'm for or against since I don't want this child to bask in the attention he so clearly wants.

However I do recognize that Raxus' actions are absolutely despicable, and his repeated actions against the people of NationStates are worthy of much more than a condemnation.

Raxus fears being cast out and helming something to which only he is a part of - his actions are despicable, so why abstain?

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

At this time I can't say whether I'm for or against since I don't want this child to bask in the attention he so clearly wants.

However I do recognize that Raxus' actions are absolutely despicable, and his repeated actions against the people of NationStates are worthy of much more than a condemnation.

Raxus fears being cast out and helming something to which only he is a part of - his actions are despicable, so why abstain?

The "badge of honor" argument applies here. It would most certainly serve to stoke his ego, somewhat.

[Corporation de Apple]

Raxus fears being cast out and helming something to which only he is a part of - his actions are despicable, so why abstain?

The "badge of honor" argument applies here. It would most certainly serve to stoke his ego, somewhat.

Fair enough. We can all, hopefully, agree that Raxus enjoys things that most people would stray away from.

[Everbeek]

Founders can do with their regions as they like. The "legitimate government" is only legitimate insofar as the founder allows them to be.

[Ambroscus Koth]

Founders can do with their regions as they like. The "legitimate government" is only legitimate insofar as the founder allows them to be.

What about the destruction of Markarth's forum?

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

Founders can do with their regions as they like. The "legitimate government" is only legitimate insofar as the founder allows them to be.

That point completely destroys this entire proposal....you're right.

[The God-Realm]

As a former member of Markarth, I support this fully.

[Corporation de Apple]

Founders can do with their regions as they like. The "legitimate government" is only legitimate insofar as the founder allows them to be.

Ah, but therein lies the rub - Raxus had conceded power to the WAD (the Speaker) and the Emperor.
He publiclly and officially stepped down, and re-added himself to root admin group on the forums, allowing him to devastate a region which was very closely knit.

[Corporation de Apple]

Founders can do with their regions as they like. The "legitimate government" is only legitimate insofar as the founder allows them to be.

That point completely destroys this entire proposal....you're right.

/sarcasm?

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

That point completely destroys this entire proposal....you're right.

/sarcasm?

Most definitely. One-liner complaints with no supporting arguments is something I usually only see from Christian Democrats around here. The "Founders can do what they want with their region" is not an excuse nor a viable argument to ignore the usurpation of government and the destruction of a forum.

[Corporation de Apple]

I think the major thing is Raxus abused his position to shut down the Forums and lock down Markarth, not to argue the nitty-gritties of founder governmental relationships/recognition.

[Zoraxy]

Excellent. Glad to see this!

[Tim-Opolis]

I'm against.

Sure it was dastardly and all, but he'll want that badge. Most people doing purges, have the badge at least a bit in mind when doing it. I have no doubt that he wants that badge. Plus as Founder of Markarth, doesn't he kind of have the right to do it?

Passing the resolution should just stoke his ego.

Against.

Also. Aren't forum mentions a Rule Violation?

[Corporation de Apple]

I'm against.

Sure it was dastardly and all, but he'll want that badge. Most people doing purges, have the badge at least a bit in mind when doing it. I have no doubt that he wants that badge. Plus as Founder of Markarth, doesn't he kind of have the right to do it?

Passing the resolution should just stoke his ego.

Against.

Also. Aren't forum mentions a Rule Violation?

Me don't thinks so, on both counts.



But regardless, I think that it'll take away the remaining (few) supporters that he has.
To be following someone who has been condemned by the rest of the NS world doesn't really give you that pleasant feeling, does it?

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

Also. Aren't forum mentions a Rule Violation?

Only if used to "clearly refer to the electronic entity," which I don't believe I have infringed upon here.

[Everbeek]

Founders can do with their regions as they like. The "legitimate government" is only legitimate insofar as the founder allows them to be.

Ah, but therein lies the rub - Raxus had conceded power to the WAD (the Speaker) and the Emperor.
He publiclly and officially stepped down, and re-added himself to root admin group on the forums, allowing him to devastate a region which was very closely knit.

Was he the original root admin who created the forum? Because if so he is the official owner of it as far as zetaboards is concerned (and again, can do with it as he likes as long as he stays within the terms and conditions)

[Corporation de Apple]

Ah, but therein lies the rub - Raxus had conceded power to the WAD (the Speaker) and the Emperor.
He publiclly and officially stepped down, and re-added himself to root admin group on the forums, allowing him to devastate a region which was very closely knit.

Was he the original root admin who created the forum? Because if so he is the official owner of it as far as zetaboards is concerned (and again, can do with it as he likes as long as he stays within the terms and conditions)

He was indeed but then he removed himself from root admin, which, I believe, legally constitutes a transfer of ownership.

[Ambroscus Koth]

Was he the original root admin who created the forum? Because if so he is the official owner of it as far as zetaboards is concerned (and again, can do with it as he likes as long as he stays within the terms and conditions)

And I can go murder 10000 puppies, but I can't imagine too many people would be very happy about it. Whether or not it's allowed is far from the point.

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

Ah, but therein lies the rub - Raxus had conceded power to the WAD (the Speaker) and the Emperor.
He publiclly and officially stepped down, and re-added himself to root admin group on the forums, allowing him to devastate a region which was very closely knit.

Was he the original root admin who created the forum? Because if so he is the official owner of it as far as zetaboards is concerned (and again, can do with it as he likes as long as he stays within the terms and conditions)

Once again, do you really think that justifies the destruction of a forum? If so, I shudder to think that you would be ok with your regional forum simply being shut down by the root admin for no apparent reason.

[Corporation de Apple]

Was he the original root admin who created the forum? Because if so he is the official owner of it as far as zetaboards is concerned (and again, can do with it as he likes as long as he stays within the terms and conditions)

And I can go murder 10000 puppies, but I can't imagine too many people would be very happy about it. Whether or not it's allowed is far from the point.

Well now technically if the murder was unjustified then you couldn't.
Perhaps murder 100000 terminal kittens would be more apt.

[Corporation de Apple]

Was he the original root admin who created the forum? Because if so he is the official owner of it as far as zetaboards is concerned (and again, can do with it as he likes as long as he stays within the terms and conditions)

Once again, do you really think that justifies the destruction of a forum? If so, I shudder to think that you would be ok with your regional forum simply being shut down by the root admin for no apparent reason.

Indeed, just because one has the ABILITY to do so does not mean one should.
I could go and spit on my boss but would I?

[Ambroscus Koth]

And I can go murder 10000 puppies, but I can't imagine too many people would be very happy about it. Whether or not it's allowed is far from the point.

Well now technically if the murder was unjustified then you couldn't.
Perhaps murder 100000 terminal kittens would be more apt.

Oh I definitely could, but I'd have to live with the consequences. Apply that same idea here.