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by Ambroscus Koth » Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:41 pm
by Shemiki » Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:43 pm
Ambroscus Koth wrote:I would just like to clarify that all 4 of these nations appear to be puppets of the same person:
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=ingerasul
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=christmas_-_craciun
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=inger_rebel
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=luz_maria
by Bundabunda » Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:44 pm
Shemiki wrote:Ambroscus Koth wrote:I would just like to clarify that all 4 of these nations appear to be puppets of the same person:
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=ingerasul
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=christmas_-_craciun
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=inger_rebel
http://www.nationstates.net/nation=luz_maria
So?
by Ambroscus Koth » Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:44 pm
by Skyrim Diplomacy » Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:44 pm
Shemiki wrote:For your question about the 10000 Islands (my region), no, because I am a native as well and could express my own opinion. However, if natives of other regions don't want to be raided, I generally don't want that region to be raided. Because the way I see it, those natives know what's best for their region a lot better than Asgard ever could. Perhaps they do prefer having no founder? They can't make their own decisions, not Asgard.
by Shemiki » Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:47 pm
Skyrim Diplomacy wrote:Shemiki wrote:For your question about the 10000 Islands (my region), no, because I am a native as well and could express my own opinion. However, if natives of other regions don't want to be raided, I generally don't want that region to be raided. Because the way I see it, those natives know what's best for their region a lot better than Asgard ever could. Perhaps they do prefer having no founder? They can't make their own decisions, not Asgard.
Now your argument is they prefer to have no founder?! What happened to Asgard being unsafe, and this Liberation allowing the defenders, those who truly know what is best for the region (lol), to come in and "save" the defenseless natives? Now you are just turning this entire argument upside down and side-stepping my points. You argue Asgard is bad for the region, but think they are more safe without a founder?
by Skyrim Diplomacy » Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:49 pm
Shemiki wrote:I'm saying the natives don't want Asgard in the region, and its not their place, your place, or anyone else's place to tell them they do. Respect the natives and get out (to Asgard, not you).
by Drop Your Pants » Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:09 pm
Skyrim Diplomacy wrote:Shemiki wrote:I'm saying the natives don't want Asgard in the region, and its not their place, your place, or anyone else's place to tell them they do. Respect the natives and get out (to Asgard, not you).
All two of them. Out of ten or so. This argument keeps coming back, so maybe I will sit back for a while until the whole "Some of the natives dislike the idea of a refound" stops coming up...
by Ambroscus Koth » Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:23 pm
Drop Your Pants wrote:If it was your region and you were the sole person who spoke out against a refound by a foreign power would you like people to care about your opinion? Or would you like them to ignore you because there's not enough of you?
It doesn't mater if its 2 or 10, they don't want to be kicked out of their region by people trying to "help" them.
by United States of Natan » Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:45 pm
Then it's a lie. Everything Fox News says is a lie.
Even true things once said on Fox News become lies.
(Family Guy: Excellence in Broadcasting)
by Skyrim Diplomacy » Tue Jul 24, 2012 5:52 pm
United States of Natan wrote:why cant you just accept the fact that they should not be taken over?
by Mahaj » Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:02 pm
Ambroscus Koth wrote:Drop Your Pants wrote:If it was your region and you were the sole person who spoke out against a refound by a foreign power would you like people to care about your opinion? Or would you like them to ignore you because there's not enough of you?
It doesn't mater if its 2 or 10, they don't want to be kicked out of their region by people trying to "help" them.
I'd probably realize I don't speak for the whole region.
Skyrim Diplomacy wrote:Mahaj wrote:Argument 1.No natives have supported.I never asked for native support
Argument 2.Only one native supported.I still never asked for native support, and I still hold that the one native was goaded into replying.
Argument 3.Only two natives supported.Have I asked for native support yet? *crickets* Nope. 1/5 of the natives is not a useable argument.
Please stop making this argument.
When you get a substantial amount of natives (let's say 50+%), I'll stop. And yet...oh, there's my point about the natives not being hurt by a refound, addressed waaaaaay down there....
Mahaj wrote:Because the UDL plan isn't "lets hostilely refound this and build a culture in it... we admit we've never done this before and we don't have details finalized because we really don't know what we're doing but oh god please god oh god please trust us that our intentions are noble just ignore all our raids and griefs and the fact that only griefers supported us oh god please god no no no please you must trust us"
That's why. But I expect that comment from you, so w/e.
That still didn't answer my point, drat. All this post does is personify Asgard and their supporters in a light that you dislike. Allow me shrink that post down: "Let's take over a region, even though we are inexperienced and only have raider support."
That sounds more accurate. The UDL is the exact same way, just switch out griefers with "pretentious mightier-than-thous." How is it hostile to refound a region a with no community, activity, or protection? Oh wait, it isn't.
<Koth> I'm still going by the assumption that Mahaj is Unibot's kid brother or something
Kandarin(Naivetry): You're going to have a great NS career ahead of you if you want it, Mahaj. :)
<@Eluvatar> Why is SkyDip such a purist raiderist
<+frattastan> Because his region was never raided.
<+maxbarry> EarthAway: I guess I might dabble in raiding just to experience it better, but I would not like to raid regions of natives, so I'd probably be more interested in defense and liberations
by SunRawr » Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:35 pm
by East Berliner Peasants » Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:34 pm
by Goon Sack » Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:16 pm
by Bundabunda » Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:18 pm
Goon Sack wrote:... and if they want to piss around with it, good.
Imperialists walking in with their jack boots and rationalisations for oppression need to be stopped.
Especially if they plan to rebuild Christmas. I was happy when I could just ignore it, or at best make an appearance, get shattered on beer and punch, and then stumble away from that scene of destruction.
Voting: FOR
by Baubles » Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:29 pm
Bundabunda wrote:"Pissing around with it" means that they'll fall prey to a raid. Maybe the next raiders won't be as nice as Asgard.
by Bundabunda » Tue Jul 24, 2012 11:59 pm
Baubles wrote:Bundabunda wrote:"Pissing around with it" means that they'll fall prey to a raid. Maybe the next raiders won't be as nice as Asgard.
Well, the previous raiders have all been nicer than Asgard...none of them have tried to refound us. As for others not being as nice; if this passes they will have to repeal the liberation before they can stand a chance of successfully refounding our region. There will come at least one time when the defenders are able to liberate our region before it comes even close to being refounded.
by Baubles » Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:21 am
Bundabunda wrote:So you've been raided numerous times before?
Let me ask: What's the logic behind not electing a Delegate so you could've at least temporarily passworded it?
This should be a lesson to you: Either you recruit or you password if you don't want invaders. You obviously were not quick to learn and instead choose to make a plea bargain on a region nice enough not to hold it up like a trophy (Or at the very least, keep it open).
by Christmas Bunny » Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:34 am
by Mahaj » Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:43 am
<Koth> I'm still going by the assumption that Mahaj is Unibot's kid brother or something
Kandarin(Naivetry): You're going to have a great NS career ahead of you if you want it, Mahaj. :)
<@Eluvatar> Why is SkyDip such a purist raiderist
<+frattastan> Because his region was never raided.
<+maxbarry> EarthAway: I guess I might dabble in raiding just to experience it better, but I would not like to raid regions of natives, so I'd probably be more interested in defense and liberations
by Skyrim Diplomacy » Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:45 am
Mahaj wrote:And with the newest support, I anticipate the next argument from the supporters as:
"only three natives support this resolution"
:/
by Mahaj » Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:45 am
<Koth> I'm still going by the assumption that Mahaj is Unibot's kid brother or something
Kandarin(Naivetry): You're going to have a great NS career ahead of you if you want it, Mahaj. :)
<@Eluvatar> Why is SkyDip such a purist raiderist
<+frattastan> Because his region was never raided.
<+maxbarry> EarthAway: I guess I might dabble in raiding just to experience it better, but I would not like to raid regions of natives, so I'd probably be more interested in defense and liberations
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