Oh OK. A refounding is when you let a founderless region die by making sure it has no nations in it for an update before refounding it before raiders can region hawk it. Now that there is a founder, the founder can keep the region active.
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by Shemiki » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:06 pm
by Cormac Stark » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:07 pm
Shemiki wrote:Unfortunately, it's not your place to decide what the best plan is for the region. The natives can do that. As for defenders, Mahaj has provided answers, if you'd bother to read over his posts.
by Shemiki » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:11 pm
Cormac Stark wrote:Shemiki wrote:Unfortunately, it's not your place to decide what the best plan is for the region. The natives can do that. As for defenders, Mahaj has provided answers, if you'd bother to read over his posts.
I would argue that it absolutely is our place. We have put more time and energy into the region over the past three weeks than its "natives," if you can even realistically call them that, have put into it in the past year or more. I've been online at every update for three weeks -- even after the password was imposed -- and several people from Asgard have spent almost every minute of our NS time arguing against this resolution for the past 3 days. Meanwhile, Baubles over there didn't even notice he or she was sitting in The Rejected Realms until four days later. Now, explain to me why Baubles has the right to make these big decisions and we don't.
In my mind, the only actual native left in Christmas was Scrooger Codger -- which is ironic in that defenders would probably dismiss him as a non-native since he once led a raid of the region. Yet he was the only one of the "natives" who really brought any kind of life whatsoever to the region at any point in the past year.
by Skyrim Diplomacy » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:14 pm
Shemiki wrote:It isn't your place because you are a foreign occupying power. I wonder when you guys were appointed the police of the world that allowed you to go into any region and refound it just because you saw the natives weren't active? Keep your nose to your own business.
by Shemiki » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:18 pm
Skyrim Diplomacy wrote:Shemiki wrote:It isn't your place because you are a foreign occupying power. I wonder when you guys were appointed the police of the world that allowed you to go into any region and refound it just because you saw the natives weren't active? Keep your nose to your own business.
*cough cough the defenders will be be sticking their noses in as well should this pass cough cough*
by Ambroscus Koth » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:18 pm
Skyrim Diplomacy wrote:Shemiki wrote:It isn't your place because you are a foreign occupying power. I wonder when you guys were appointed the police of the world that allowed you to go into any region and refound it just because you saw the natives weren't active? Keep your nose to your own business.
*cough cough the defenders will be be sticking their noses in as well should this pass cough cough*
by Skyrim Diplomacy » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:19 pm
by Skyrim Diplomacy » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:20 pm
Ambroscus Koth wrote:Nah man, WE'RE the evil foreign occupiers. The UDL is the shining light of justice and truth, remember?
by Ambroscus Koth » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:20 pm
by Cormac Stark » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:21 pm
Shemiki wrote:It isn't your place because you are a foreign occupying power. I wonder when you guys were appointed the police of the world that allowed you to go into any region and refound it just because you saw the natives weren't active? Keep your nose to your own business.
by Skyrim Diplomacy » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:22 pm
Shemiki wrote:The R/D game, people.
by Ambroscus Koth » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:23 pm
Shemiki wrote:The R/D game, people.
by Shemiki » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:25 pm
Cormac Stark wrote:Shemiki wrote:It isn't your place because you are a foreign occupying power. I wonder when you guys were appointed the police of the world that allowed you to go into any region and refound it just because you saw the natives weren't active? Keep your nose to your own business.
We don't see ourselves as the police of the world. We see ourselves as a sovereign region with the right to expand into regions that lack any form of government whatsoever, for our own legitimate interests and in this case for the interests of the region in question and the broader NS community. The natives would be free to be just as inactive as they have been with Christmas as a colony of Asgard, and they would also be free to be more active.
It's defenders who see themselves as the world police and who refuse to mind their own business. Anyone as concerned about native self-determination as you claim to be should vote against this resolution. It was written by a non-native who belongs to an organization that has appointed itself the world police and whose interference in Christmas is completely illegitimate. They haven't expended any effort on this region except to write a poorly written, inaccurate liberation proposal that includes a spelling mistake -- quality work right there.
by Ambroscus Koth » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:27 pm
by Cormac Stark » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:32 pm
Shemiki wrote:They could have done that without your raid. I suppose large regions have the right to invade small regions just because they're smaller and less active?
by Bundabunda » Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:19 pm
by Zintai » Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:46 pm
by Ambroscus Koth » Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:40 pm
Zintai wrote:If they''re all so inactive, how have three of them managed to find their way to a debate that, as non-WA nations, they should have no reason to ever notice?
Just because they don't post on their regional message board often doesn't mean that they're not active nations. Especially since, as both sides have mentioned, the name isn't very relevant for eleven months of the year. We're about as far from the holiday as you can get. Of course the region isn't doing much. What is there to say about Christmas in July?
by The Adeptus Astartes of the Emperor » Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:43 pm
Zintai wrote:If they''re all so inactive, how have three of them managed to find their way to a debate that, as non-WA nations, they should have no reason to ever notice?
Just because they don't post on their regional message board often doesn't mean that they're not active nations. Especially since, as both sides have mentioned, the name isn't very relevant for eleven months of the year. We're about as far from the holiday as you can get. Of course the region isn't doing much. What is there to say about Christmas in July?
by Armin Tamzarian » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:45 pm
by Zintai » Wed Jul 25, 2012 10:51 pm
Ambroscus Koth wrote:So what you're saying is that the natives aren't relevant 11 months of the year? Fine by me, tell that to the author of this proposal.
The Adeptus Astartes of the Emperor wrote:Just because they might be active off of the RMB is no reason to suspect that they are when their RMB has been dead for four or five months.Just because you can't prove they are inactive doesn't make them active. Do you believe in a Flying Spaghetti Monster too? The latter part of your post is also irrelevant to the actual debate. The name shouldn't have anything to do with the activity of the region.
by Baubles » Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:15 pm
Cormac Stark wrote:Anyone as concerned about native self-determination as you claim to be should vote against this resolution. It was written by a non-native who belongs to an organization that has appointed itself the world police and whose interference in Christmas is completely illegitimate.
Naivetry wrote:So, what gives you the right to decide what's best for a region without actually consulting the natives? You just jumped in and did what you wanted, without bothering to ask how any of them felt about it. Maybe they would have said you were doing the right thing for the region, or maybe they wouldn't have cared. The point is, you had no way of knowing which was the case before those two natives popped up here to post about it, because you didn't ask first. Native sovereignty is what matters in the end - and not just a theoretical sovereignty that fits your ideological view of NS. You have no moral ground to stand on, here.
Oh, and that goes for Asgard, too.
by Cromarty » Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:40 am
Cormac Stark wrote:Shemiki wrote:Unfortunately, it's not your place to decide what the best plan is for the region. The natives can do that. As for defenders, Mahaj has provided answers, if you'd bother to read over his posts.
I would argue that it absolutely is our place. We have put more time and energy into the region over the past three weeks than its "natives," if you can even realistically call them that, have put into it in the past year or more. I've been online at every update for three weeks -- even after the password was imposed -- and several people from Asgard have spent almost every minute of our NS time arguing against this resolution for the past 3 days. Meanwhile, Baubles over there didn't even notice he or she was sitting in The Rejected Realms until four days later. Now, explain to me why Baubles has the right to make these big decisions and we don't.
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