[PASSED] Liberate Christmas

by **Ambroscus Koth** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 3:58 pm

United States of Natan wrote:
Ambroscus Koth wrote:You guys keep saying "natives" as in plural, but there has been only one native that has spoken out against the liberation, and one that quite frankly is just enjoying the show.

And please link me to any quote from Asgard that implied we didn't plan on ejecting any natives, because that's a completely dumb thing to say seeing as we are refounding the bloody region.

maybe they dont want to be refounded.

There is no "they". At most there is Lebuckte, who has unfortunately been very quiet since his first post here.

Shemiki wrote:You asked nations to voluntarily leave. When they didn't you started ejecting them. Very honest of you guys

I don't see the issue. The words "WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF REFOUNDING THE REGION" should have implied that they would be ejected otherwise.

Keronika wrote:Who do you think you are Asgard? Christmas should be open to everyone. Whether this resolution passes or not, it's in Asgards best interest to leave Christmas. This is making you guys look really bad!

It will be open to everyone after the refounding process is complete. The whole world. There will be no password or anything. How many times have I said this?

by **United States of Natan** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:01 pm

Shemiki wrote:From the Christmas RMB:

To the natives of Christmas:

As you may have noticed, Christmas has been annexed as a colony of Asgard for the purpose of making it a more stable and secure region that will be culturally beneficial to its natives and to the broader NationStates community. We are in the process of refounding the region and we are asking natives to voluntarily depart the region. You are invited and encouraged to return once Christmas is refounded.

If you have any questions please don't hesitate to ask.

Yours,

Cormac Stark
Algengur (Commanding Officer) of the Asgard Imperial Armed Forces
Landstjóri (Governor) of Christmas

You asked nations to voluntarily leave. When they didn't you started ejecting them. Very honest of you guys

exactly why this issue has gone to the SC. you guys are being hypocrites. and besides, I have an idea. JUST GIVE BACK THE REGION. BESIDES, THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF OTHER REGIONS TO TAKE OVER THAT MAY NOT HAVE AS MUCH AS A PROBLEM.

by **Ambroscus Koth** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:03 pm

United States of Natan wrote:exactly why this issue has gone to the SC. you guys are being hypocrites. and besides, I have an idea. JUST GIVE BACK THE REGION. BESIDES, THERE ARE THOUSANDS OF OTHER REGIONS TO TAKE OVER THAT MAY NOT HAVE AS MUCH AS A PROBLEM.

You have no idea what you're talking about, honestly. No matter what region is invaded by anyone, the United Defenders League will use the Security Council as their tool to return the regions to their status as war plagued nests of inactivity. We are offering the region new life, a community that everyone is welcome in, Christmas time or otherwise.

We are not being hypocrites, please read my last post.

by **United States of Natan** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:08 pm

then why did you eject people from the region when you said it was voluntary?

by **Ambroscus Koth** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:09 pm

United States of Natan wrote:then why did you eject people from the region when you said it was voluntary?

We didn't say it was voluntary, you misread what Cormac wrote. He said that we were in the process of refounding the region, which by default means that every nation in the region needs to either leave, get kicked, or cease to exist. We said they are welcome to leave on their own beforehand to speed up the process so that they may return quicker.

by **United States of Natan** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:12 pm

Ambroscus Koth wrote:
United States of Natan wrote:then why did you eject people from the region when you said it was voluntary?

We didn't say it was voluntary, you misread what Cormac wrote. He said that we were in the process of refounding the region, which by default means that every nation in the region needs to either leave, get kicked, or cease to exist. We said they are welcome to leave on their own beforehand to speed up the process so that they may return quicker.

WELL IF THE MATTER HAS BEEN BROUGHT BEFORE THE SC, THAT MEANS SOMEONE WANTS THE REGION TO STAY THE SAME!

by **Shemiki** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:12 pm

Ambroscus Koth wrote:
United States of Natan wrote:your welcome. and guys, you should not let a innocent region get taken over without doing anything about it. THAT IS WHY WE HAVE THE SECURITY COUNCIL IN THE FIRST PLACE.

There was nobody to take over from. Like I've said before; there was no WA delegate and no founder, which means there was absolutely zero leadership for us to overthrow.

So this gives you the right to control whatever region you please, just because there was no Delegate? Come on, you have no right to be in the region, refounding or not.

by **United States of Natan** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:13 pm

are you going to give the region back and cede it to the natives?

by **Eist** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:18 pm

United States of Natan wrote:are you going to give the region back and cede it to the natives?

They said on like page 2 that they have no intention of doing this. Natives can return, apparently (we just have to take their super reliable word for this), but Asgard, or a member of Asgard, will still be the overlord.

by **Shemiki** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:20 pm

And we all know how good the word of a raider is...which are the people who control this region.

by **Ambroscus Koth** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:21 pm

United States of Natan wrote:WELL IF THE MATTER HAS BEEN BROUGHT BEFORE THE SC, THAT MEANS SOMEONE WANTS THE REGION TO STAY THE SAME!

Yes, and that someone is Mahaj, a high-ranking member of the United Defenders League who has absolutely zilch to do with Christmas, he is not and has no plans on ever becoming a native, yet he will write a proposal pretending that he cares so he can get a dig in on the raiders.

by **Ambroscus Koth** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:21 pm

Shemiki wrote:And we all know how good the word of a raider is...which are the people who control this region.

And that's just racist.

by **Shemiki** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:22 pm

Ambroscus Koth wrote:
Shemiki wrote:And we all know how good the word of a raider is...which are the people who control this region.

And that's just racist.

I fail to see how. Explain.

by **Ambroscus Koth** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:24 pm

Shemiki wrote:
Ambroscus Koth wrote:
And that's just racist.

I fail to see how. Explain.

I'm a raider, and I'm probably one of the most honest people you'll ever meet. As most of the thread will tell you, I can't "prove it", but OOC it's one of my most noble qualities.

That however has nothing to do with the proposal at hand and I'll cease tooting my own horn.

by **Shemiki** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:26 pm

Fine. I'm prejudiced against raiders because I'm a defender. Now lets get back to debating this Resolution.

by **United States of Natan** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:27 pm

well fine then how about you track down the former natives and take a poll of who wants to have you guys cede the region back to them?

by **Shemiki** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:28 pm

For starters: explain how it is your right to go around occupying regions and refounding them, especially when they don't want it? and some people may not know that refounding means get out.

by **Ambroscus Koth** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:33 pm

United States of Natan wrote:well fine then how about you track down the former natives and take a poll of who wants to have you guys cede the region back to them?

Why would we go through the effort of tracking them down? If they haven't spoken up already, it's obvious that they either don't have a strong opinion on the topic or they're inactive.

We're letting them back in, and we will let them create their own regional government with an Asgard representative holding the founder position if that's really what they want. Nobody from Christmas has offered any alternatives to the presented, so I don't see why we should change what we're doing.

by **Shemiki** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:35 pm

Actually, you have heard Lebuckte support this lib. Since no one else has spoken up, Lebuckte represents Christmas natives. Get out, it's what the natives want.

by **Ambroscus Koth** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:37 pm

Shemiki wrote:Actually, you have heard Lebuckte support this lib. Since no one else has spoken up, Lebuckte represents Christmas natives. Get out, it's what the natives want.

That's a pretty sketchy argument. Especially seeing as how Codger also spoke up and said he didn't really care one way or the other.

by **United States of Natan** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:39 pm

well dont invade a region!!!!!!! it is rude, especially if there is no government! you guys, in the future, should simply just ask to become the government to help them get back on track if they have no government!

by **Jamie Anumia** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:39 pm

Shemiki wrote:And we all know how good the word of a raider is...which are the people who control this region.

Showing such bias and dislike towards raiders discredits your argument.
- WA Ambassador - Treacle Smith -

Shemiki wrote:Actually, you have heard Lebuckte support this lib. Since no one else has spoken up, Lebuckte represents Christmas natives. Get out, it's what the natives want.

Why should one native represent a whole region?
- WA Ambassador - Treacle Smith -

by **Shemiki** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:39 pm

So one doesn't care, and the other wants you out. None want you to stay. You're not wanted. Get Out.

by **Ambroscus Koth** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:41 pm

United States of Natan wrote:well dont invade a region!!!!!!! it is rude, especially if there is no government! you guys, in the future, should simply just ask to become the government to help them get back on track if they have no government!

And then let all our work go to waste if it is invaded by a different region? It's founderless and therefore insecure, any government that could be established in Christmas could possibly get thrown out the window if control was taken away from the WA delegate.

by **Shemiki** » Mon Jul 23, 2012 4:42 pm

Jamie Anumia wrote:
Shemiki wrote:And we all know how good the word of a raider is...which are the people who control this region.

Showing such bias and dislike towards raiders discredits your argument.
- WA Ambassador - Treacle Smith -

Shemiki wrote:Actually, you have heard Lebuckte support this lib. Since no one else has spoken up, Lebuckte represents Christmas natives. Get out, it's what the natives want.

Why should one native represent a whole region?
- WA Ambassador - Treacle Smith -

1. It just shows I feel strongly on the issue.
2. Because that one native is the only one who has spoken up so far, so he/she represents them all.

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