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Cerian Quilor
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Founded: Mar 30, 2012
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:44 pm

Jefferson and Paul wrote:
Lilah Morgan wrote:*begins planning the repeal of this condemn*

At the very least, condemn them with a properly written resolution.


Please, tell me how this is not properly written?

Edit: Upon looking further you're not even in the WA?

Too many tags, doesn't contain enough information about what they've done, is written as if it will achieve something, and far too short and unprofessional.

You're laying out a case of why TBR is so terrible that it needs to be condemned. Your resolution is a poorly written pile of horse****. The reason it gets so many votes is because many people think TBR needs to be condemned (and they're wrong), so they'll jump on whatever condemn of them they can get, regardless of how terribly it is written.
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Jefferson and Paul
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Founded: Apr 22, 2012
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Postby Jefferson and Paul » Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:36 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:Too many tags


OH NOEZ! TOO MANY TAGS! Whether or not I linked the region multiple times is irrelevant as it still would have done the same damn thing without and it would read just the same.

Cerian Quilor wrote:doesn't contain enough information about what they've done

It contains plenty enough information, infact, in the first couple drafts it included over 30 specific examples but it was unanimously suggested I shorten it down to a few. Clearly the 90(ish) delegates whom approved it along with the 5,000 votes think it's enough; they're not voting for it because it is the only one.

Cerian Quilor wrote:The reason it gets so many votes is because many people think TBR needs to be condemned (and they're wrong), so they'll jump on whatever condemn of them they can get, regardless of how terribly it is written.

I can find 4 or 5 other 'Condemn The Black Riders' drafts written within the last month, so, if they did their research, they would know they could oppose and wait for a 'better' proposal.

Cerian Quilor wrote:is written as if it will achieve something

I think that is has been made pretty clear, by the title and the operative clause, that it is condemning.. maybe you missed that?

Cerian Quilor wrote:unprofessional


Examples? What you've laid out doesn't make it unprofessional.

Cerian Quilor wrote:You're laying out a case of why TBR is so terrible that it needs to be condemned


Obviously. Next point?

Cerian Quilor wrote: Your resolution is a poorly written pile of horse****

I'm not sure how, what some people would call, an "eye sore" (region tags) makes it a "poorly written pile of horseshit".
Last edited by Jefferson and Paul on Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:38 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Notolecta
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Postby Notolecta » Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:56 pm

It's poorly written because it contains propaganda wording, such as "cultural genocide", which is nothing more than a term fabricated and used to make raiders sound evil, and information that is wholly false, such as the claim that TBR invades nations when it invades regions. Also the number of tags is directly related to the quality as is the ability to look at it without having ones eyes bleed. Condemn anyone you please, but don't do it using fabrications, exaggeration, and propaganda.

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Founded: Jun 02, 2012
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Postby Interstellar Space Corps » Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:59 pm

Notolecta wrote:It's poorly written because it contains propaganda wording, such as "cultural genocide", which is nothing more than a term fabricated and used to make raiders sound evil, and information that is wholly false, such as the claim that TBR invades nations when it invades regions. Also the number of tags is directly related to the quality as is the ability to look at it without having ones eyes bleed. Condemn anyone you please, but don't do it using fabrications, exaggeration, and propaganda.


Yet Culturaly Genocide IS real, and not just a propoganda term. If you'd like to see an example, look at the clan, Fallen Republic on the Playstationnetwork game, LittleBigPlanet II. One of their goals is to eliminate emos, and they succeded in removing many emo players off the game. Emos are a type of culture, believe it or not. They built upon many other cultures and put it all together. Notice their common hairstyle with the points on the ends, etc.


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Postby Skyrim Diplomacy » Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:00 pm

Interstellar Space Corps wrote:
Notolecta wrote:Snipped for Irrelevance

Which applies here how? Simply to say the term exists?

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Postby Interstellar Space Corps » Sun Jun 17, 2012 7:33 pm

If I had simply said the term exists without giving an example, I would look like a complete ass now wouldn't I?


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Notolecta
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Postby Notolecta » Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:32 am

That's also not how it is being used in this proposal. Besides what you described would be just plain genocide; it requires no additional description. In context of this proposal the term is propaganda because it is being used to make it seem as if raiders are out seeking to destroy the culture of regions. This is also false since most of the regions that get raid have no culture to begin with, and for those that do little if any damage is done to their culture.

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Postby The Black Plains » Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:35 am

"And Whereas; They aren't very likable either!" :rofl:

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Interstellar Space Corps
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Postby Interstellar Space Corps » Mon Jun 18, 2012 12:05 pm

Notolecta wrote:That's also not how it is being used in this proposal. Besides what you described would be just plain genocide; it requires no additional description. In context of this proposal the term is propaganda because it is being used to make it seem as if raiders are out seeking to destroy the culture of regions. This is also false since most of the regions that get raid have no culture to begin with, and for those that do little if any damage is done to their culture.


I see your point, but if you were desperate to take down a bunch of people who had the power and reason to raid your region wouldn't you try the same thing?


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Postby Winner12345 » Mon Jun 18, 2012 1:37 pm

Astrolinium wrote:Must we keep giving the raiders shiny badges?

Yes of course the Black Riders are legal and let them continue
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Postby Roman Allegiances » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:29 pm

The Grand Praetor Remus, or the Sword of Rome rises.

"The Federation of Roman Allegiances has yet to see an issue with the Black Riders. From what research we can ascertain, they seem to be functioning under their own laws, much as other regions, and conquering their enemies, much like other regions. If we are to pass this legislature, are we not banning a region from functioning as it wishes. Opposed. Let the Black Riders continue to act out, we should be more vigilant in our defense!"
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Postby Skyrim Diplomacy » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:41 pm

Congrats to Jefferson and Paul on a successful condemnation.

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Postby Ruridova » Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:28 pm

Skyrim Diplomacy wrote:Congrats to Jefferson and Paul on a successful condemnation.

Seconded.
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Postby Jefferson and Paul » Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:26 pm

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Postby Interstellar Space Corps » Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:14 pm

It was my pleasure


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Postby Damanucus » Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:33 pm

I congratulate the author, although I do sincerely wish a better written condemnation had been presented.

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