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Postby Mousebumples » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:48 am

In the stead of Moronist Decisions: AT VOTE BUMP!

I think I can safely speak for The Lion when I encourage an AYE vote on this upcoming resolution.
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Postby Ossitania » Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:43 am

We have lodged our vote in favour of the proposal.
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Postby Delegate Vinage » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:02 am

I, Lothar Prolark, World Assembly Delegate and Media Minister of Europeia will be voting AYE on this proposal after a 6/0 internal vote. After talking to the author and co-author we feel, as a region, ready to vote on this and see this proposal repealed as to remove the following:

1. Declares that a subsection of the International Transport Safety Committee (ITSC), the Universal Nautical Institute of Buoyage Oversight and Transportation shall design a set of buoyage and mark systems that shall be used in the pilotage of vessels at sea to warn travelers of hazards;


That bolded part equals U.N.I.B.O.T. which, I feel, is something that has managed to get around the branding rules for proposals. Impressive nobody picked up on it before but, well..... we've caught you now. Secondly the NOTES and QUESTIONS sections sway it for me.

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Postby Sanctaria » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:03 am

Delegate Vinage wrote:That bolded part equals U.N.I.B.O.T. which, I feel, is something that has managed to get around the branding rules for proposals. Impressive nobody picked up on it before but, well..... we've caught you now. Secondly the NOTES and QUESTIONS sections sway it for me.

Actually we've known it for a long time now. Since it was at vote actually. Annoying, isn't it.
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Postby Opaloka » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:25 am

Hmmm, it would appear that this should have been ruled illegal & that there are flaws. Unibots absence is noted, therefore in spite of the lack of a replacement on this occasion the W&SG votes FOR.
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Postby Linux and the X » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:35 am

Sanctaria wrote:
Delegate Vinage wrote:That bolded part equals U.N.I.B.O.T. which, I feel, is something that has managed to get around the branding rules for proposals. Impressive nobody picked up on it before but, well..... we've caught you now. Secondly the NOTES and QUESTIONS sections sway it for me.

Actually we've known it for a long time now. Since it was at vote actually. Annoying, isn't it.

Actually, we find it quite amusing, and indeed that it is now illegal is why we cannot vote to repeal it. Although, then again, "Unibot" no longer exists, so it would technically not be branding. If we can get a Secretariat ruling agreeing to this we will be willing to vote in favour.

Opaloka wrote:Hmmm, it would appear that this should have been ruled illegal

At the time, there was no rule against committees whose initialism happened to form a nation's name. That rule was, IIRC, created as a response to this resolution.
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Postby Cowardly Pacifists » Wed Jun 13, 2012 12:39 pm

We vote FOR the repeal of this convoluted, pointless resolution.

The first repeal argument was enough for us: the author of the Nautical Pilotage Act doesn't even understand the meaning of the term "pilotage:" using it to refer to vessels ("assure the protection of World Assembly pilotage from harm, vandalism or theft"), then an activity ("citizens of a member nation do not have the right or duty to pilotage an area that is within an Oversight-Zone") and finally to some sort of regulation ("Urges member nations to properly pilotage their own coastlines").

We find it despicable that the NPA author would work to enact such a bill without even understanding the activity on which he was legislating. We find it doubly despicable that Unibot seems to have pursued this legislation for the sole purpose of his own conceit and egotism.

This travesty should be repealed so that nations may learn for Unibot's bad example.
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Postby Datavia » Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:06 pm

Well, yes. Indeed the orginal resolution is in need of a bit of rewrite. Therefore, Datavia votes FOR this repeal.

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Postby Discoveria » Wed Jun 13, 2012 1:44 pm

Discoveria has examined the resolution and its target and is confident that the repeal deserves full support. We urge all WA nations to vote FOR the repeal.

(Discoveria is less convinced by some of the lesser arguments in the repeal but for the sake of brevity these are discussed in the SPOILER below.)
What we agree with:
1. The word "pilotage" is used incorrectly in the original resolution. A fatal error on the author's part.
2. No-one is responsible for placing buoys etc. in Oversight Zones. A fatal, um, oversight.

What we disagree with:
1. Discoveria does not necessarily see a problem with the ability of member nations to protect buoys etc. in Oversight Zones. A single frigate randomly patrolling international waters would be sufficient to meet the original resolution's requirement (which does not specify how well the buoys must be protected).
2. The business about having to use unregulated pilots or sail without pilots. 'Not having a right or duty' to do something, is not the same as being forbidden from doing it. (We blame sloppy wording on Unibot's part.)
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Postby Soviet Argonia » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:51 pm

Soviet Argonia has a nagging question.

Who's responsibility is it to protect member nations from non-member nations ships? (Hostilities are not required. As we took it to mean that non-member ships will not be watched. How will this prevent wrecks, and such? Shouldn't all ships be monitored, much like the airways?)
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Postby Flibbleites » Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:56 pm

Linux and the X wrote:
Sanctaria wrote:Actually we've known it for a long time now. Since it was at vote actually. Annoying, isn't it.

Actually, we find it quite amusing, and indeed that it is now illegal is why we cannot vote to repeal it. Although, then again, "Unibot" no longer exists, so it would technically not be branding. If we can get a Secretariat ruling agreeing to this we will be willing to vote in favour.

Opaloka wrote:Hmmm, it would appear that this should have been ruled illegal

At the time, there was no rule against committees whose initialism happened to form a nation's name. That rule was, IIRC, created as a response to this resolution.

Actually, if I recall correctly, it would have been ruled as Branding had a mod spotted it before it came up for vote despite it not being expressly prohibited.

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Postby Tibberiria » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:24 pm

A logical proposal. We vote for.

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Postby ReVaQ » Wed Jun 13, 2012 3:45 pm

We have lodged our vote in favour of the proposal.
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Postby Novus Niciae » Wed Jun 13, 2012 5:18 pm

It is in need of a rewrite I think.
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Postby CalmDownistan » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:09 pm

Voting FOR; what could possibly go wrong?

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Postby Retired WerePenguins » Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:56 pm

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Postby Damanucus » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:13 pm

We have registered our vote for the repeal. But, just for the esteemed ambassador from Delegate Vinage:

Delegate Vinage wrote:
1. Declares that a subsection of the International Transport Safety Committee (ITSC), the Universal Nautical Institute of Buoyage Oversight and Transportation shall design a set of buoyage and mark systems that shall be used in the pilotage of vessels at sea to warn travelers of hazards;


That bolded part equals U.N.I.B.O.T. which, I feel, is something that has managed to get around the branding rules for proposals. Impressive nobody picked up on it before but, well..... we've caught you now.


If what my predecessor Horgen Dush told me is correct, the delegation from Unibot were known, albeit by a small few, to do this type of thing with a good number of their resolutions, both here and in the previous Bureaucracy That Cannot Be Named. (I may, of course, be working off faulty information.)

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Postby Lemmingtopias » Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:20 pm

The Atlantis delegacy is in favour of the resolution and has voted for, pending a last minute check on regional voting.
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Postby Scientific Idealists » Wed Jun 13, 2012 8:09 pm

The Federation of Scientific Idealists agrees that the absence of a clearly defined party responsible for installing/maintaining safeguards for vessels in international waters renders the original legislation unenforceable. Hence, we feel that repeal of the act is prudent at this time.

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Postby Hewhay » Wed Jun 13, 2012 11:47 pm

CalmDownistan wrote:what could possibly go wrong?

Famous last words, my friend. ;)

That being said, the Colony of Hewhay votes FOR.
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Postby Pollepao » Thu Jun 14, 2012 4:39 am

The Republic of Pollepao has to agree with this repeals argument, and votes FOR.
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Postby Philimbesi » Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:20 am

I rise to cast my vote FOR this repeal. It's high time we got rid of U.N.I.B.O.T as it would appear that U.N.I.B.O.T is simply made up of gnomes that incompetent, arrogant, and above all terrible dressers. The gnomes of U.N.I.B.O.T should be relocated away from each other so that they might be realigned to the non-U.N.I.B.O.T ideals and made more fashion forward.

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Postby Damanucus » Thu Jun 14, 2012 5:58 am

Philimbesi wrote:It's high time we got rid of U.N.I.B.O.T as it would appear that U.N.I.B.O.T is simply made up of gnomes that incompetent, arrogant, and above all terrible dressers.


(OOC: The intention never was to end the list on a high note, was it?)

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Postby Sanctaria » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:00 am

Damanucus wrote:
Philimbesi wrote:It's high time we got rid of U.N.I.B.O.T as it would appear that U.N.I.B.O.T is simply made up of gnomes that incompetent, arrogant, and above all terrible dressers.


(OOC: The intention never was to end the list on a high note, was it?)

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Postby Damanucus » Thu Jun 14, 2012 6:07 am

Sanctaria wrote:
Damanucus wrote:
(OOC: The intention never was to end the list on a high note, was it?)

Crimes against fashion is of the most heinous crimes of all.

(OOC: I sense another resolution currently in the works...

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