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Postby Xanthal » Wed May 23, 2012 2:11 pm

It should be noted that Double Nation was Delegate for all of one day, and right before Talgud took over. Unfortunately, in part due to the suppression of nearly every non-invader statement since the invasion, understanding the full extent of the situation is difficult. I would very much like more information and perspective on DN's history in the region before making a call on its legitimacy as a spokesperson, but it seems callous to dismiss the protest out of hand, so for the moment Xanthal is abstaining on the Liberation of Region of reunited muslim states. Any input from other Natives would be most welcome as I continue to monitor debate and decide Xanthal's final vote in line with the principles established by this office and the Triumvirate.

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Postby Cerian Quilor » Wed May 23, 2012 2:29 pm

From my recollection of the RMB (I read it back when I was part of the raid...I didn't realize the raid was still on until I saw that this proposal had been submitted, the overthrown delegate was elected when the previous delegate held elections and stepped down, and TBR presumably just picked a brilliant moment to attack.
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Postby Mahaj » Wed May 23, 2012 3:03 pm

Cerian Quilor wrote:From my recollection of the RMB (I read it back when I was part of the raid...I didn't realize the raid was still on until I saw that this proposal had been submitted, the overthrown delegate was elected when the previous delegate held elections and stepped down, and TBR presumably just picked a brilliant moment to attack.

The former delegate, Syed Abbas Mehdi, had relayed to me his desire for a liberation.
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<+frattastan> Because his region was never raided.
<+maxbarry> EarthAway: I guess I might dabble in raiding just to experience it better, but I would not like to raid regions of natives, so I'd probably be more interested in defense and liberations

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Postby Talos Dominion » Wed May 23, 2012 3:12 pm

Hesse wrote:This isn't necessary. The region of discussion was, at one point, medium-sized, however, what went on in the region before the invasion? Maybe an election here or there, some petty arguments, and some discussions that had no meaning. Your typical region, nothing special.

So, what makes this region so special from the others, I ask?


I do agree with this, however, this is a good start to defending the regions of the world from malicous and cynical nations. DOWN WITH THE MALIGNANT REGIONS, RAISE THE FLAG OF PEACE!

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Postby Orlandine » Wed May 23, 2012 3:20 pm

Mahaj wrote:The former delegate, Syed Abbas Mehdi, had relayed to me his desire for a liberation.


Have you any proof of this?
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Postby Holy Trek » Wed May 23, 2012 3:25 pm

Ok:
First - I support the Security Council measure to liberate the RORMS. Whatever they say in the RMB is pretty much between themselves, as far as I'm concerned.

Second - I'll sound like a complete idiot for asking this....but what is RMB, anyway?
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Postby Socialist Ecuador » Wed May 23, 2012 3:29 pm

Mahaj wrote:
Cerian Quilor wrote:From my recollection of the RMB (I read it back when I was part of the raid...I didn't realize the raid was still on until I saw that this proposal had been submitted, the overthrown delegate was elected when the previous delegate held elections and stepped down, and TBR presumably just picked a brilliant moment to attack.

The former delegate, Syed Abbas Mehdi, had relayed to me his desire for a liberation.

Whereas the more recent former WA delegate and Wazir of Defence has stated that he does not support it. You shouldn't Liberate regions based on what an old delegate says. Quick question: did you ask any natives about a Liberation before writing this proposal or just go around desperately trying to find a single native that actually cares?
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Postby Tim-Opolis » Wed May 23, 2012 3:40 pm

Holy Trek wrote:Ok:
First - I support the Security Council measure to liberate the RORMS. Whatever they say in the RMB is pretty much between themselves, as far as I'm concerned.

Second - I'll sound like a complete idiot for asking this....but what is RMB, anyway?


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Postby Mahaj » Wed May 23, 2012 3:44 pm

Socialist Ecuador wrote:
Mahaj wrote:The former delegate, Syed Abbas Mehdi, had relayed to me his desire for a liberation.

Whereas the more recent former WA delegate and Wazir of Defence has stated that he does not support it. You shouldn't Liberate regions based on what an old delegate says. Quick question: did you ask any natives about a Liberation before writing this proposal or just go around desperately trying to find a single native that actually cares?

I did, thanks.
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<+frattastan> Because his region was never raided.
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Postby Gest » Wed May 23, 2012 3:44 pm

Mahaj wrote:
Cerian Quilor wrote:From my recollection of the RMB (I read it back when I was part of the raid...I didn't realize the raid was still on until I saw that this proposal had been submitted, the overthrown delegate was elected when the previous delegate held elections and stepped down, and TBR presumably just picked a brilliant moment to attack.

The former delegate, Syed Abbas Mehdi, had relayed to me his desire for a liberation.


Would this be the same delegate who was deleted and as a result resigned from the RORMS government/ was forced out by public pressure.

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Postby Mahaj » Wed May 23, 2012 4:07 pm

Gest wrote:
Mahaj wrote:The former delegate, Syed Abbas Mehdi, had relayed to me his desire for a liberation.


Would this be the same delegate who was deleted and as a result resigned from the RORMS government/ was forced out by public pressure.

He was also the one that worked his butt off to get the region going.
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Postby Gest » Wed May 23, 2012 4:12 pm

Mahaj wrote:
Gest wrote:
Would this be the same delegate who was deleted and as a result resigned from the RORMS government/ was forced out by public pressure.

He was also the one that worked his butt off to get the region going.


And he was such a "respected" member that immediately after we raided it he was denounced by the natives as being a traitor. Apparently the natives thought he caused the raid so his "defender friends" would then put him back in power. It's Illogical of course, but it goes to show you how much everyone thought of his "service" to the region.

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Postby Opaloka » Wed May 23, 2012 4:15 pm

Fischistan wrote:The UDL recently liberated Democratic Socialist Alliance from invaders. And don't even talk about being homophobic, because TITO will defend Muslim regions too. It's only nazis they don't defend (to my knowledge), and we will not defend nazis. So get over it.


No it was TITO seeing off a TBH infiltrate/raid even their WAD will admit as much assuming you can find him awake on an update. (Hint,hint)
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Postby Cromarty » Wed May 23, 2012 4:23 pm

Gest wrote:
Mahaj wrote:He was also the one that worked his butt off to get the region going.


And he was such a "respected" member that immediately after we raided it he was denounced by the natives as being a traitor. Apparently the natives thought he caused the raid so his "defender friends" would then put him back in power. It's Illogical of course, but it goes to show you how much everyone thought of his "service" to the region.

As far as I could see at the time, only one native accused Abbas or w/e his name was of being a traitor, and that was an opportunist who wanted to refound the region and (quoting from memory) 'have a vice grip on [the region's] balls'.

Unless I've missed something, which isn't surprising. An assload of posts on that rmb in the last 24 days.
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Postby Damanucus » Wed May 23, 2012 4:31 pm

I had approved the Liberation submission when it entered the queue. However, opposing claims have been made, and now the time has come when I need to ask for evidence to support the counterclaims that have been made. (As I see from the debate record, I am not the only one.) I would like to see evidence of these claims before the end of the day, otherwise I shall deem them unsubstantiated, and be voting for this Liberation.

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Postby Gest » Wed May 23, 2012 4:31 pm

Cromarty wrote:
Gest wrote:
And he was such a "respected" member that immediately after we raided it he was denounced by the natives as being a traitor. Apparently the natives thought he caused the raid so his "defender friends" would then put him back in power. It's Illogical of course, but it goes to show you how much everyone thought of his "service" to the region.

As far as I could see at the time, only one native accused Abbas or w/e his name was of being a traitor, and that was an opportunist who wanted to refound the region and (quoting from memory) 'have a vice grip on [the region's] balls'.

Unless I've missed something, which isn't surprising. An assload of posts on that rmb in the last 24 days.


North Arabia also did. It's hard to know who is whose puppet in these regions.

And according to Mr. Abbas 19 days ago.

"well it seams i always get the accusations at the end of the day. it is for the good of the game and rorms that i leave the place so people stop talking about me and start concentrating on keeping RORMS safe and working"

Doesn't exactly sound like people had his back.

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Postby Fischistan » Wed May 23, 2012 4:40 pm

Damanucus wrote:I had approved the Liberation submission when it entered the queue. However, opposing claims have been made, and now the time has come when I need to ask for evidence to support the counterclaims that have been made. (As I see from the debate record, I am not the only one.) I would like to see evidence of these claims before the end of the day, otherwise I shall deem them unsubstantiated, and be voting for this Liberation.

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(OOC: That means screenshots, people.)

Raiders have noted their intention to refound the region. There is a password in place. What else do you need, please tell me?
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Postby Damanucus » Wed May 23, 2012 4:46 pm

Fischistan wrote:
Damanucus wrote:I had approved the Liberation submission when it entered the queue. However, opposing claims have been made, and now the time has come when I need to ask for evidence to support the counterclaims that have been made. (As I see from the debate record, I am not the only one.) I would like to see evidence of these claims before the end of the day, otherwise I shall deem them unsubstantiated, and be voting for this Liberation.

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(OOC: That means screenshots, people.)

Raiders have noted their intention to refound the region. There is a password in place. What else do you need, please tell me?


I mean, of the counterclaims. You're fine.

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Postby Fischistan » Wed May 23, 2012 5:40 pm

Damanucus wrote:
Fischistan wrote:Raiders have noted their intention to refound the region. There is a password in place. What else do you need, please tell me?


I mean, of the counterclaims. You're fine.

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Oh, okay.
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Postby Tibberiria » Wed May 23, 2012 6:45 pm

We vote for.

OOC: I know what a raider does, but I've never been able to figure out exactly what defenders do.

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Postby Crushing Our Enemies » Wed May 23, 2012 6:48 pm

Tibberiria wrote:OOC: I know what a raider does, but I've never been able to figure out exactly what defenders do.

Absolutely nothing.

EDIT: Mostly, they try to keep up.

EDIT 2: Write liberation proposals?
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Postby Holy Trek » Wed May 23, 2012 6:59 pm

Tim-Opolis wrote:
Holy Trek wrote:Ok:
First - I support the Security Council measure to liberate the RORMS. Whatever they say in the RMB is pretty much between themselves, as far as I'm concerned.

Second - I'll sound like a complete idiot for asking this....but what is RMB, anyway?


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Postby Cromarty » Wed May 23, 2012 6:59 pm

Tibberiria wrote:We vote for.

OOC: I know what a raider does, but I've never been able to figure out exactly what defenders do.

Defenders, supposedly, are reactive. At update they attempt to spot and prevent raids by moving into regions that raiders move into in the hope they'll be able to prevent a delegacy change by endorsing the current delegate. Sometimes, more often recently, they'll have endorsed each other in case they don't have enough time to endorse a sitting delegate.

If they miss a raid or don't get in the region in time, then the next update or the update after they'll try to 'liberate' the region. This is, in everything but name, a counter-raid or counter-invasion, depending on your definition of raid or invasion. It's an attempt to dislodge the raider delegate from the delegacy.

If the raiders have already left they'll have, 9 times out of 10, left a calling card on the World Factbook Entry and defenders will move into regions with the intention to clear these up. It's by far the most tedious, highest occurring form of 'defending'.

Some defender groups are more proactive, seeking out raider regions and attacking them, or attempt to infiltrate raider groups, etc etc. There's an informal movement that advocates taking and holding a large, founderless, invader or invader leaning region as collateral or something to exchange with raiders for a region they've piled. It'd be an interesting test of how strong raider unity actually is, but it's unlikely to happen.

Also:
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Absolutely nothing.
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Postby Dagguerro » Thu May 24, 2012 3:10 am

First we voted in favour on a similar basis to that outlined by Cowardly Pacifists earlier.

Then we voted against on the basis of the later discussion about the natives not wanting this liberate.

Now we're thoroughly confused by all of this and are just refraining from voting entirely until someone can factually establish whether this is or is not wanted. There seems to be about four or five different stories going around here, all contradictory.

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Postby Opaloka » Thu May 24, 2012 3:26 am

Tibberiria wrote:We vote for.

OOC: I know what a raider does, but I've never been able to figure out exactly what defenders do.


Some eg TITO actually do some defending.

The UDL just help elderly fascists cross the road.
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