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Fischistan
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Postby Fischistan » Sat May 26, 2012 4:52 pm

Vandvalia wrote:RoRMS does not NEED to be liberated. Frankly, I'm surprised this is even being debated. A Region founded by Nations with a zeal for veiled terrorism? I think not. Further more, there is no guarantee that the region's occupants will move back or attempt to make it an active or productive community. At the very least, the Black Riders have established an embassy, banished the troublesome occupants with little to no resistance and are in the midst of transforming the region into something more feasible to the World at large. The stronger opponent won, the land should be theirs. I vote AGAINST.

Do you know what TBR wants to do with RORMS? They want to refound it. Any community there is better than none.
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Cerian Quilor
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Postby Cerian Quilor » Sat May 26, 2012 4:55 pm

Fischistan wrote:
Vandvalia wrote:RoRMS does not NEED to be liberated. Frankly, I'm surprised this is even being debated. A Region founded by Nations with a zeal for veiled terrorism? I think not. Further more, there is no guarantee that the region's occupants will move back or attempt to make it an active or productive community. At the very least, the Black Riders have established an embassy, banished the troublesome occupants with little to no resistance and are in the midst of transforming the region into something more feasible to the World at large. The stronger opponent won, the land should be theirs. I vote AGAINST.

Do you know what TBR wants to do with RORMS? They want to refound it. Any community there is better than none.

no.

And once again, I point out that the community has since happily moved to a foundered region. Its doing just fine.
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The Bruce
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Postby The Bruce » Sat May 26, 2012 9:33 pm

While I might not agree with the opinions of the natives of Region of Reunited Muslim State posted, as posted on their region board, I would hesitate to say that the motivation for this invasion was spurred by morality, given that Nazi Europe is founderless but never seems to be a target of these same invaders.

Even if you dislike Region of Reunited Muslim State and all that they stand for, by voting for this liberation you are protecting other founderless regions. If these invaders are allowed to hide behind password protection to victimize this region, they will be able to mobilize elsewhere faster to destroy other founderless regions. If on the other hand this liberation resolution is passed, you're making it harder for invaders to destroy this region and refound it as a prize.

In effect every day you pin down invaders in Region of Reunited Muslim State it's another day of freedom for founderless regions elsewhere (except for the tiny, inactive regions that are constantly hit by tagging regions, where in some cases the region is only being kept alive by discarded invader puppets).

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Lilah Morgan
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Postby Lilah Morgan » Sun May 27, 2012 4:18 am

No one is paying attention to the fact that the community has happily Relocated.

And this liberation won't help other founderless regions. Just Region of Reunited Muslim States

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Kleinekatzen
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Postby Kleinekatzen » Sun May 27, 2012 5:29 am

Eh, we just voted for the liberation due to the fact thats its being held by TBR. Ever since they raided our Region and vandalised our Factbook page & flag (the horror, the horror) it has been standard policy for us to vote for any proposal that liberates a region they hold.

We don't care if the natives have taken their ball and gone to play elsewhere, we believe that TBR shouldn't be allow to own the ball court without a challenger (New challenger! Fight!).
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New Heathera
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Postby New Heathera » Sun May 27, 2012 5:04 pm

Lilah Morgan wrote:No one is paying attention to the fact that the community has happily Relocated.

And this liberation won't help other founderless regions. Just Region of Reunited Muslim States


Since when does one liberation help multiple founderless regions?

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Fischistan
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Postby Fischistan » Sun May 27, 2012 5:12 pm

New Heathera wrote:
Lilah Morgan wrote:No one is paying attention to the fact that the community has happily Relocated.

And this liberation won't help other founderless regions. Just Region of Reunited Muslim States


Since when does one liberation help multiple founderless regions?

Not every native has relocated. If that were entirely true, then TBR could just refound the region now. There are still natives they have to eject that are staying in their home region.
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Williamson
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Postby Williamson » Sun May 27, 2012 5:19 pm

I think this was pointless. They are stil going to raid regions anyway nobody can stop it

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Fischistan
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Postby Fischistan » Sun May 27, 2012 5:35 pm

We can stop them.
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Socorra wrote:A religion-free abortion thread is like a meat-free hamburger.
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Postby Xanthal » Sun May 27, 2012 6:03 pm

Williamson wrote:I think this was pointless. They are stil going to raid regions anyway nobody can stop it

The point isn't to stop raiding. Raiding is part of the game. The point is to give the natives of regions which have been occupied by raiders a chance to regain them, or more to the point, give defender/counter-raider forces an opportunity to push the occupiers out.
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SunRawr
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Postby SunRawr » Sun May 27, 2012 7:32 pm

Fischistan wrote:We can stop them.

:lol:

You won't even come close.

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Fischistan
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Postby Fischistan » Sun May 27, 2012 7:43 pm

SunRawr wrote:
Fischistan wrote:We can stop them.

:lol:

You won't even come close.

We came close during minor.
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Fischistani Ambassador to the WA
Unibot II wrote:It's Carta. He CANNOT Fail. Only successes in reverse.
The Matthew Islands wrote:Knowledge is knowing the Tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.
Anthony Delasanta wrote:its was not genocide it was ethnic cleansing...
Socorra wrote:A religion-free abortion thread is like a meat-free hamburger.
Help is on its Way: UDL
Never forget 11 September.
Never look off the edge of cliff on a segway.

11 September 1973, of course.

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SunRawr
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Postby SunRawr » Sun May 27, 2012 7:49 pm

Williamson wrote:I think this was pointless. They are stil going to raid regions anyway nobody can stop it

Fischistan wrote:We can stop them.

Pretty sure that he is saying that you can not stop TBR from raiding.

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Fischistan
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Postby Fischistan » Sun May 27, 2012 7:52 pm

SunRawr wrote:
Williamson wrote:I think this was pointless. They are stil going to raid regions anyway nobody can stop it

Fischistan wrote:We can stop them.

Pretty sure that he is saying that you can not stop TBR from raiding.

Well, we can stop them sometimes, but not always, of course.
Xavier D'Montagne
Fischistani Ambassador to the WA
Unibot II wrote:It's Carta. He CANNOT Fail. Only successes in reverse.
The Matthew Islands wrote:Knowledge is knowing the Tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.
Anthony Delasanta wrote:its was not genocide it was ethnic cleansing...
Socorra wrote:A religion-free abortion thread is like a meat-free hamburger.
Help is on its Way: UDL
Never forget 11 September.
Never look off the edge of cliff on a segway.

11 September 1973, of course.

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Tabari
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Postby Tabari » Mon May 28, 2012 2:36 pm

We may not be able to stop the riders from raiding but we can always force them out of the regions they have occupied. In order to do this I have founded the region of The Stalwart Army of Old RORMS. This region will attempt to raise a large enough number of dedicated nations in order to eventually kick out TBR and give back the occupied region its independance.

it will take time of course to raise a large enough force to accomplish this but I am optimistic.

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