[PASSED] Liberate Region of Reunited Muslim States

[Campinia]

No it's not. A Liberation is a Liberation, regardless of wo authored it. And do you honestly expect a raider would write a Liberation?

Are you serious? Besides Oh My Days, who has already been mentioned, there is a liberation proposal sitting in this forum right now authored by LKE. Ironically, it was authored after you decided to leave TUKB to be griefed by Nazis so that you could concentrate on liberating RORMS despite its appalling history.

A liberation is indeed a liberation, but authorship does matter. The UDL in general and you specifically have proven in recent days that your priorities in regard to liberations are skewed, to say the least. Given the poor judgment you exercised in leaving TUKB to be griefed by Nazis so the UDL could deal a blow to The Black Riders, why should anyone trust or reward that judgment by voting for this resolution? Why should the Security Council continue allowing itself to be manipulated by defenders who would use it for their own political aims rather than for the greater interregional good?

It was for the greater interregional good that the proposal was originally pulled, since now both regions can be liberated before it is too late. And if you can't get that through your skull you should read up on how influence works.

[Sacred Yggdrasil]

It was for the greater interregional good that the proposal was originally pulled, since now both regions can be liberated before it is too late. And if you can't get that through your skull you should read up on how influence works.

I'm well aware of how influence works. Frankly, I don't think saving RORMS from destruction by The Black Riders -- if complete destruction is in fact what they intend -- is for the good of the interregional community given the region's history. I think that's even more true when saving RORMS could come at the expense of saving a region currently being griefed by Nazis. We don't all adhere to the defender ideology that all regions are worth defending.

[Williamson]

All i know is i'm am not voting for this

[Datavia]

That's ridiculous and you know it.

As is the idea of comparing raiding and defending to muggers and the police

I will only quote the SC motto: "Spreading interregional peace and goodwill, via force if necessary". What are we here for, but to set international conflicts in a peaceful way? What is all this"liberation" fuss for? I understand the SC not supporting a liberation promoted to set internal conflicts, but this is clearly an external agression!

[Anansi Place]

No it's not. A Liberation is a Liberation, regardless of wo authored it. And do you honestly expect a raider would write a Liberation?

Depends. Do you consider Oh My Days a raider?

I stand corrected.

And Gest, US soldiers shoot and bomb innocent civilians in Yemen and Pakistan.[/quote]
And yet you don't see us citizens advocating for the murder of said innocent civilians.

[Puan Puri Naduk]

Our region will vote for.

Being invaded by invaders before, we know how annoying they can be.

[Williamson]

this is why i hate the sc. it is abuseing their power and it will not do that much good anyway

[Drop Your Pants]

this is why i hate the sc. it is abuseing their power and it will not do that much good anyway

Its one of the main reasons the SC was created actually

[Williamson]

this is why i hate the sc. it is abuseing their power and it will not do that much good anyway

Its one of the main reasons the SC was created actually

Stil hates it

[Drop Your Pants]

Then don't post and allow members who do like the SC to enjoy it.

[Williamson]

Then don't post and allow members who do like the SC to enjoy it.

So i'm not aloud to say what a feel on the topic

[Drop Your Pants]

Of course you are, but your comment wasn't about the proposal it was about the SC as a whole.

I can feel a mod watching, back on topic i go.

[Sedgistan]

I can feel a mod watching, back on topic i go.

Heh.

And yes, the topic is the proposal, Williamson. If you're not going to debate it, don't post.

[Williamson]

I can feel a mod watching, back on topic i go.

Heh.

And yes, the topic is the proposal, Williamson. If you're not going to debate it, don't post.

Don't worry i'm done

[Xanthal]

So far I've heard that one former Delegate supports the Liberation and another opposes it. And of course self-serving rhetoric from both sides about how the one that agrees with them is more credible than the other, which I feel is best to disregard. Given that I do not believe sufficient evidence has been presented to establish a Native consensus against Liberation, Xanthal is casting its vote for the Liberation of the Region of reunited muslim states. I will, of course, continue to monitor the debate in case anything comes forward to change my mind.

Riley Fluffer

[New Heathera]

I vote FOR, though I feel this liberation could have waited until after "Liberate The United Kingdom of Britain." I still don't feel "Region of Reunited Muslim States" is at a greater risk of refound than the former.

[Fischistan]

No it's not. A Liberation is a Liberation, regardless of wo authored it. And do you honestly expect a raider would write a Liberation?

Are you serious? Besides Oh My Days, who has already been mentioned, there is a liberation proposal sitting in this forum right now authored by LKE. Ironically, it was authored after you decided to leave TUKB to be griefed by Nazis so that you could concentrate on liberating RORMS despite its appalling history.

A liberation is indeed a liberation, but authorship does matter. The UDL in general and you specifically have proven in recent days that your priorities in regard to liberations are skewed, to say the least. Given the poor judgment you exercised in leaving TUKB to be griefed by Nazis so the UDL could deal a blow to The Black Riders, why should anyone trust or reward that judgment by voting for this resolution? Why should the Security Council continue allowing itself to be manipulated by defenders who would use it for their own political aims rather than for the greater interregional good?

I understand that you believe my judgement may have been skewed, but is that worth letting the region be re-founded? I respect your right to criticize my judgement on which Liberation had priority, but that should not affect your vote to save the region from re-founding.

[Fischistan]

I stand corrected.

And Gest, US soldiers shoot and bomb innocent civilians in Yemen and Pakistan.

And yet you don't see us citizens advocating for the murder of said innocent civilians.

You pay taxes to the government, which directly funds said murder of innocent civilians.

[Scooby-Doo]

And yet you don't see us citizens advocating for the murder of said innocent civilians.

You pay taxes to the government, which directly funds said murder of innocent civilians.

... Yeah, I'll just stop paying my taxes then................... Oh wait.

[Fischistan]

You pay taxes to the government, which directly funds said murder of innocent civilians.

... Yeah, I'll just stop paying my taxes then................... Oh wait.

See? We are all guilty.

[Islamic Republic of Pakistan REP-1]

Are you serious? Besides Oh My Days, who has already been mentioned, there is a liberation proposal sitting in this forum right now authored by LKE. Ironically, it was authored after you decided to leave TUKB to be griefed by Nazis so that you could concentrate on liberating RORMS despite its appalling history.

A liberation is indeed a liberation, but authorship does matter. The UDL in general and you specifically have proven in recent days that your priorities in regard to liberations are skewed, to say the least. Given the poor judgment you exercised in leaving TUKB to be griefed by Nazis so the UDL could deal a blow to The Black Riders, why should anyone trust or reward that judgment by voting for this resolution? Why should the Security Council continue allowing itself to be manipulated by defenders who would use it for their own political aims rather than for the greater interregional good?

It was for the greater interregional good that the proposal was originally pulled, since now both regions can be liberated before it is too late. And if you can't get that through your skull you should read up on how influence works.

I agree with you just carry on with the good work ignore the haters

[Anansi Place]

And yet you don't see us citizens advocating for the murder of said innocent civilians.

You pay taxes to the government, which directly funds said murder of innocent civilians.

Again, the difference is we don't advocate for the murder of civilians. In fact we criticize our government for taking such action. We are not all guilty because very simply we understand that the murder of civilians is wrong. That in and of itself makes us better.

[Vandvalia]

RoRMS does not NEED to be liberated. Frankly, I'm surprised this is even being debated. A Region founded by Nations with a zeal for veiled terrorism? I think not. Further more, there is no guarantee that the region's occupants will move back or attempt to make it an active or productive community. At the very least, the Black Riders have established an embassy, banished the troublesome occupants with little to no resistance and are in the midst of transforming the region into something more feasible to the World at large. The stronger opponent won, the land should be theirs. I vote AGAINST.

[Sacred Yggdrasil]

I understand that you believe my judgement may have been skewed, but is that worth letting the region be re-founded? I respect your right to criticize my judgement on which Liberation had priority, but that should not affect your vote to save the region from re-founding.

I obviously haven't been clear enough about this, so I'll be blunt: I don't care if the region is re-founded. I don't believe RORMS contributes to the interregional community in any positive way. If The Black Riders banject every last native and refound it as a colony, it will arguably be a better region than it was before.

There does come a point when the Security Council needs to take a stand. Every liberation is too dire to say no to the UDL. I say that this liberation is not dire and that this is the perfect opportunity for the Security Council to stand up to UDL manipulation and refuse to be a rubber stamp.

[Cerian Quilor]

The citizens of region of reuinited muslims states have moved to RORMS. The community is doing just fine.

And we shouldn't forgive a region so stupid as to connect the raid by TBR to 9/11 or the politics of the middle east, and the conflicts there.

Clearly they simply don't understand reality or NationStates, and should be punished for their ignorance.