[PASSED] Commend The NationStates Community

[Topid]

Meh. April Fools was fun, but nah.

In agreement.

[Ora Amaris]

Meh. April Fools was fun, but nah.

It was the best April Fool's ever. This needs to be immortalized and go down in history.
People have done less to get a commendation, for sure.

[Azerzia]

Personally, I don't think anyone should be named in this commendation. If someone contributed spectacularly to the effort, perhaps they deserve a commendation themselves? This one is about The Nationstates Community. Why would we commend one nation for the actions of other nations?

I agree, basically for the reasons Lyanna Stark gave.
Some were crazy puppetmasters, but most of the huge count nations reached their level thanks to the contribution of a lot of other players.

No harm in mentioning ZS, though (for starting the whole "Let's beat Max!" thread).

I feel this commendation, as my edit to the draft has stated, is more for commending OMG INC, which is something we can't do directly. All of the nations listed and countless more gave up their day to make OMG INC work and their chosen representative was NSC. we are not so much commending a single state, but rather OMG INC and the community as a whole. We can't give commendations to EVERYONE so I feel giving it to the representative of the organization who made this happen is important.

Sorry but I don't understand. Why is everyone giving lots of shares to the same person worthy of a commendation? It's not exactly difficult.

It wasn't 'one person' have a lot of shares; it was a community effort. Nations from every facet of our community gave to the goal of a democratic structure for the management of NS, or at least beating Max. Lyanna leads Osiris, I personally lead the Social Liberal Union and Unibot leads the Eastern Islands of Dharma, to name the few I know off the top of my head. As many of us who were on into the wee hours of the morning know, there was a lot of stress and drama revolving around NSC and NewTexas and what would happen there; it was VERY hard for two nations to agree on a merge (it didn't happen, to explain how hard), let alone thousands.

"By commending the nationstates community, you are commending the tyranny of economic oppression over the masses of the poor in every World Assembly member-state. The I.P.O.'s very existence works to take the money of those who need it the most and give it to the rich. This cannot pass and El Escozor al Diablo Rojo will vote no if this draft reaches quorum."

Arturo "Chucho" Procopio
Acting Villista, El Escozor al Diablo Rojo

I understand your perspective. As the leader of a democratic-socialist/social-liberal region, I can see what you are saying. However, and this is important, the organization of OMG INC was inherently democratic and would have given you a vote. That can't be said of essentially any other business or corporation with stock except in special circumstances. This situation would have given the people a voice to prevent the economic oppression of which you are concerned. For that reason, I ask you to reconsider

[Unibot II]

Meh. April Fools was fun, but nah.

In agreement.

Meh? Agreement?

Perhaps it's because you didn't partake in the community AMOM, but it was a nail-baiting session of 30+ hours where a bunch of players from across NationStates came together, breaking their barriers to do "something". The young AMOM that I knew wanted non-partisan commendations of merit; I can't imagine a more fuller realization of that dream of collectivism on NationStates even if it only lasted a day. It was a very *fun* day, we all made a few new friends we wouldn't have meant otherwise and some players worked quite hard to make it a reality. I think a commendation serves to immortalize and commemorate the spirit of The NationStates Community and what it did on April 1st.

[A mean old man]

I did throw my shares at "The NationStates Community." My participation was minimal, but I did join the channel briefly before Mibbit played its third April Fools joke of the day on me.

[Oh my Days]

Uni, no-one is disputing that the joke was fun, but commendations are supposed to be for nations which have made an outstanding contribution. A few hours of frantically asking people to give shares to the NationStates Community is fundamentally no different to passing a WA resolution, in terms of the effort involved.

[Oh my Days]

Perhaps it's because you didn't partake in the community AMOM

If you had to be there to appreciate it, it's definitely not worthy of a commendation.

[Ora Amaris]

Perhaps it's because you didn't partake in the community AMOM

If you had to be there to appreciate it, it's definitely not worthy of a commendation.

What do you think Security Council is all about? Not all of us participate in raids or defends or roleplays.

[Oh my Days]

If you had to be there to appreciate it, it's definitely not worthy of a commendation.

What do you think Security Council is all about? Not all of us participate in raids or defends or roleplays.

That's my point. A great piece of skilful gameplay can be appreciated by those who didn't take part.

[Unibot II]

Perhaps it's because you didn't partake in the community AMOM

If you had to be there to appreciate it, it's definitely not worthy of a commendation.

I don't disagree, I just don't think the full story is getting out.

[Azerzia]

What do you think Security Council is all about? Not all of us participate in raids or defends or roleplays.

That's my point. A great piece of skilful gameplay can be appreciated by those who didn't take part.

This is different from the usual commendation. Most take months or years of hard work and notoriety in roleplays or defending. This event, however, unique day long event. It was different from anything that has happened before and deserves to be remembered. If this had required months of effort, it would not be difficult to appreciate the skillful gameplay you are looking for. But since it was crammed into such a short period of time and required hundreds of players, at least, to work together, it cannot be measured as normal commendations would be.

If we look at this from its own perspective, that it was not a region or a multi-region co-op that took control over the few short hours we had to do this but a pan-NS organization dedicated to equality of nations and democracy, that SAYS something. We put aside our differences as defenders, raiders, conservatives, liberals, libertarians and communists, to create OMG INC and give our combined representative power to NSC.
That is what we are really commending here: the NationStates community by proxy of the nation of The NationStates Community for its willingness to band together for a singular goal yesterday

[Eggy216]

I support the commendation. . .it definitely seems to me that the The NationStates Community deserves a commendation because it represents the collective vision of a group of nations who honestly never agree on anything. The point of this April Fools joke was that Max wanted to see us work together, and we did just that. This is the nation everyone agreed upon using to come together in that singular vision, and because of that it deserves commendation.

By commending The NationStates Community, we're doing more than just commending a nation. We're commending the entirety of the NS Community, as its name states.

[A mean old man]

That is what we are really commending here: the NationStates community by proxy of the nation of The NationStates Community for its willingness to band together for a singular goal yesterday

Is that even legal?

EDIT: Might as well answer my own question because I know the answer already. The answer is no. So unless the wording of this resolution is sneaky enough, I don't know if it will fly.

[Warzone Codger]

Meh. April Fools was fun, but nah.

In agreement.

I refer to this ruling and I can't see how you could get around it.

The creation of a theme is different - they're an OOC thing you select on the settings page, and they aren't an attribute of nations - they're part of the site. For that reason, we consider any kind of contribution to the site appearance (aside from flags) to be something that cannot be cited in proposals, as it violates Rule 1.

Sedge was ruling on a commend on Northrop-Grumman creating the dark theme in that passage. Similiarly, the entire April Fools event is OOC from what nations do.

Edit: Posted here instead of moderation since I don't wanna be a tittletattle running to the modser at the first opportunity.

[Oh my Days]

This also sounds a LOT like a group of nations patting themselves on the back, which is not what Commendations are supposed to be used for.

[Mahaj]

In agreement.

I refer to this ruling and I can't see how you could get around it.

The creation of a theme is different - they're an OOC thing you select on the settings page, and they aren't an attribute of nations - they're part of the site. For that reason, we consider any kind of contribution to the site appearance (aside from flags) to be something that cannot be cited in proposals, as it violates Rule 1.

Sedge was ruling on a commend on Northrop-Grumman creating the dark theme in that passage. Similiarly, the entire April Fools event is OOC from what nations do.

Edit: Posted here instead of moderation since I don't wanna be a tittletattle running to the modser at the first opportunity.

The IPO is hardly a graphic contribution to the site, it was for a day a legitimate feature. Therefore, if this resolution was from an in character perspective describing an IPO that occurred for control over the new NationStates Corporation, (as IPOs *are* for a corporation) and a national government (that is, a nation) was the leading shareholder and that nation also had vast international backers... it'd be legal.

[Azerzia]

That is what we are really commending here: the NationStates community by proxy of the nation of The NationStates Community for its willingness to band together for a singular goal yesterday

Is that even legal?

EDIT: Might as well answer my own question because I know the answer already. The answer is no. So unless the wording of this resolution is sneaky enough, I don't know if it will fly.

Until I made that statement, did the proposal seem to be breaking any rules? The wording is commending NSC for getting the win, by means of OMG INC. OMG INC was a democratic organization of any member of NationStates who wanted to take part and represented many more nations than actually actively placed votes. In that sense NSC represents OMG INC which represents the NS Community. I do not see an issue with this.

Again, going on precedent, the IASEN condemnation was done on the leader of IASEN instead of the organization as a whole, because we couldn't place a condemnation on the organization as it was not a region/nation. It was recognized to still be worthy of condemnation so the leader was condemned and the precedent for cmmendation/condemnation by proxy was set.

In agreement.

I refer to this ruling and I can't see how you could get around it.

The creation of a theme is different - they're an OOC thing you select on the settings page, and they aren't an attribute of nations - they're part of the site. For that reason, we consider any kind of contribution to the site appearance (aside from flags) to be something that cannot be cited in proposals, as it violates Rule 1.

Sedge was ruling on a commend on Northrop-Grumman creating the dark theme in that passage. Similiarly, the entire April Fools event is OOC from what nations do.

I will officially wait for word from the mods on this then, but I do believe that the wording in this does not break Rule 1 and is part of a historical event in NS, which impacted the game (for a short time, true, but a memorable time worth recording).

This also sounds a LOT like a group of nations patting themselves on the back, which is not what Commendations are supposed to be used for.

One would note Lyanna, ZS or Ballotonia did not write this. I was a part, true, but only in a small share. If we don't allow nations at involved in OMG INC to take part in writing, we lose 20% citizen population of the game, which I can assume would be a roughly equal proportion of the player base. 1 out of every 5 people playing was a part of this and I think that is worth remembering

[Mahaj]

Some of us, fwiw, contributed but didn't really post in the OMG Inc thread.

I did some campaigning and contributed shares and such and did other misc. things but didn't post in the thread.

[Azerzia]

Beyond questioning the legitimacy of the proposal, does anyone have constructive commentary on improvements needed to the current draft that is in the first post?

[Soviet Canuckistan]

Support

[Libraria and Ausitoria]

We support this commendation. If it isn't legal, we'll just have to be sneaky.

Sorry but I don't understand. Why is everyone giving lots of shares to the same person worthy of a commendation? It's not exactly difficult.

You try it.

[A mean old man]

You try it.

He did.

[Todd McCloud]

Lemme take a look at this:

OBSERVING that on 1 April 2012, [s]and the hours immediately before and after[/s], [s]the communication company used by all the nations of the world to contact one another offered[/s] shares [s]of itself[/s] in proportion to the national population of every nation was temporarily made available,

I'd get rid of the communication company idea and the hours immediately before and after since this varied by time zone, but yeah.

FURTHER OBSERVING that an international organization, OMG INC, was created to allow for the largest share holder, [s]and thus controller of power,[/s] to be a single nation representative of the entire world which would be answerable to the desires of the world,

The stricken phrase is kind of redundant.

NOTING that the nation of The NationStates Community was the chosen representative of OMG INC by democratic election due to the belief the name represented the community of nation states OMG INC hoped to achieve,

FURTHER NOTING that many of the most influential states of the world backed The NationStates Community (which ultimately succeeded in its goal) including Lyanna Stark, Zemnaya Svoboda, Ballotonia, Darkesia, Parhe and countless others,

With this being a community thing, is it a good idea to name specific nations here? I'm asking this as a literal 'I don't know', not a 'well let me tell you why it's not a good idea'. But let me argue in the against, cause it'll prolly be a little less popular. Every nation helped here - thousands probably. It was a monumental effort undertaken by so many individuals, individuals who did whatever part they did (big or small) to bring this together. Truly it was one of the rare occassions where I can say I've witnessed nations from all walks of life unite - raider or defender, WA folk or gameplayer, vet or newbie, and do something that's pretty dang sweet. Like I said, I don't know if it's a good idea to specifically name anyone in this, as it was an effort undertaken by all.

BELIEVING that the goal of a democratic organization representing the nations of the world in business affairs is a commendable goal,

HEREBY commends The NationStates Community

What about a clause explaining their victory? ^_____^

EDIT: Dang! strikethrouh doesn't work. Oh well, you get the picture, lol.

[Grandais]

Support.

[Mallorea and Riva]

If you're naming any nation other than "The NationStates Community" in the proposal itself, you've really lost sight of the whole point. Yes, Elu and Ballo contributed huge shares. Into the Community. You don't commend individuals for creating a community, every single donation was important. A person who had only 1,000 shares but gave them all to your group was just as Commendable as those who gave tens or hundreds of thousands (or even millions).