[PASSED] Commend The NationStates Community

[Mallorea and Riva]

It is currently under the exclusive control of Lyanna Stark. In the past, it has been used by Mahaj for whatever he wanted to do with it. Looks like that includes at least one liberation, and a brief visit to TBH. Regardless, it has changed hands and purposes since then, and both of those occurrences are irrelevant to the proposal.

Agreed. I was unaware it was a Mahaj puppet at one point, but that's really irrelevant to what's being commended.

[Improving Wordiness]

I do not believe it is irrelevant. The question was raised about what the nation was doing in TBH so it is on peoples minds what the nation has done in the past. Lyanna Stark is a member of UDL.
I am not having a dig at either TBH or UDL but it is important to know who is in control of the nation this resolution wants to put a Commend on.

[Crushing Our Enemies]

Up until April 1st, the nation was controlled by Mahaj. On April 1st, he gave it to Lyanna. I'm not saying the question is invalid by any means, but behavior of the nation before April 1st should not weigh on anyone's vote, as it was controlled by a different player.

To the point:

So it is a UDL controlled nation?

No, it is not. It is controlled by a member of UDL, but that is coincidence. The nation is not affiliated with the UDL. It represents the combined interests of the shareholders of OMG INC.

[Improving Wordiness]

That's a fair answer. Thanks!

[Vladtopia]

Vladtopia is against this resolution. The "professionalism" of the NS Community as a group, and not a nation, is not well received in the region of Texas. We pooled our IPO shares towards a personal goal of having our leader having the highest number of shares. This number of shares was higher than the NS Community's totals. These shares were given to NewTexas in an attempt to show our region solidarity.

And what did the "professional" NS Community as a whole do? Spam our messageboards, invade our region (in fact prompting the very first region lock in Texas' history) demanding that our majority be given to the NS Community, and spam members dossiers with endless telegrams making the same demands. We were appalled by the greed that was shown and that a so-called group of representatives (that we did not elect) from an institution (that we did not recognize) were making demands upon us. And they had the gaul to refer to us as the greedy ones.

[Wopruthien]

For the point mentioned above mainly.

But also the nation is in the control of one individual nation who uses it as a puppet state. We effectively gave up our majority share hold to one cleverly named nation.

[Azerzia]

Vladtopia is against this resolution. The "professionalism" of the NS Community as a group, and not a nation, is not well received in the region of Texas. We pooled our IPO shares towards a personal goal of having our leader having the highest number of shares. This number of shares was higher than the NS Community's totals. These shares were given to NewTexas in an attempt to show our region solidarity.

And what did the "professional" NS Community as a whole do? Spam our messageboards, invade our region (in fact prompting the very first region lock in Texas' history) demanding that our majority be given to the NS Community, and spam members dossiers with endless telegrams making the same demands. We were appalled by the greed that was shown and that a so-called group of representatives (that we did not elect) from an institution (that we did not recognize) were making demands upon us. And they had the gaul to refer to us as the greedy ones.

Your concerns are valid, but let me make a few points. One, NSC and OMG INC had more shares than Texas. I believe Texas capped at around 7 million. NSC capped at 20 when Max joined us.

Texas, like every other region, and NewTexas, like every other state, was invited to join OMG INC and take part in its functioning.

While the actions of some of the OMG INC members were... unfortunate and disrespectful, those actions were not endorsed by the majority or any of the higher ups. I apologize for what your region went through in regards to spam, but out of the thousands part of OMG INC and few dozen actually interested enough to take part in its functioning, a few bad eggs is not worth ignoring the accomplishment here.

Last, OMG INC was not greedy. They intended to give Texas its own shares. That would have made Texas win. We wanted to win as a community, where Texas wanted to as a region. The fact we were willing to step down from the more communal position to see our goals met to even a small degree means something. The fact Max decided that our communal position was worth saving from our own wants says something too.too

[The Jedi]

We wanted to win as a community, where Texas wanted to as a region.

Except Texas didn't see it as something to "win". That was strictly a OMGINC thing. I'm sure Texas would have been perfectly content for OMGINC to break 25k. They just weren't interested in participating.

[Azerzia]

Win conditions were different, true; OMG INC wanted to surpass Max. Texas wanted to just be one of the listed regions.

[Atrella]

....I have no idea what this says....

[Rhein Industries]

Guys, I was in CoIN,

I was SoIA there, and really, the region is doomed
It won't hold out for long.

It's sad to say, but it's true

[Firstaria]

Firstaria voted FOR. Had being part of the OMG INC movement and the Rebellion, I personally think this is a way to commend 3 things in one:

1. OMG INC
2. The unity of the Nationstates users in times of need
3. This fantastic April fool joke

And since all those things are fully worth of commendation...we don't see any reason to pick no.

[Datavia]

Firstaria voted FOR. Had being part of the OMG INC movement and the Rebellion, I personally think this is a way to commend 3 things in one:

1. OMG INC
2. The unity of the Nationstates users in times of need
3. This fantastic April fool joke

And since all those things are fully worth of commendation...we don't see any reason to pick no.

We vote FOR Firstaria (and this resolution too).

[Metania]

Rather than waste time trying to change people's minds on this commendation vote, I plan to try and repeal it instead, when it passes.

Precedent says that commendations of individual nations should not be confused to represent a group; doing so is incorrect. Furthermore, as AMOM said, it was not the NationStates Community as a whole but rather a handful of interested parties. Who now wish to pat themselves on the back for exploiting mob mentality.

[Mallorea and Riva]

Rather than waste time trying to change people's minds on this commendation vote, I plan to try and repeal it instead, when it passes.

Precedent says that commendations of individual nations should not be confused to represent a group; doing so is incorrect. Furthermore, as AMOM said, it was not the NationStates Community as a whole but rather a handful of interested parties. Who now wish to pat themselves on the back for exploiting mob mentality.

I would agree with you had names been kept in that proposal. You would also be right if the puppet is exploited in the future for political purposes. As it stands however, I actually support the proposal.

[Metania]

The issue is that it is already being used in a political purpose, to claim to represent the entire NS world... when it clearly doesn't.

[Reselia]

The issue is that it is already being used in a political purpose, to claim to represent the entire NS world... when it clearly doesn't.

I fully agree with this. It is evident that this is being taken too far; Yes, it was fun, and a good April Fool's joke, but commending a puppet politically unsuitable and anonymous is not a good idea.

I will fully support all repealing of this commendation; it did not represent all the NS community, just a select few. Opposition is far more widespread than support.

[Improving Wordiness]

As this looks set to pass I look forward to seeing a repeal.

[3lit3]

"ACKNOWLEDGING that the original owner the communications company praised OMG INC and The NationStates Community for its efforts and world-wide, democratic ideals"
Does that seem like bad grammar to anyone else?

[Reselia]

"ACKNOWLEDGING that the original owner the communications company praised OMG INC and The NationStates Community for its efforts and world-wide, democratic ideals"
Does that seem like bad grammar to anyone else?

Yes. I think it should be:
ACKNOWLEDGING that the original owner (i.e. the communications company) praised OMG INC and The NationStates Community for its efforts and world-wide, democratic ideals"

OR

ACKNOWLEDGING that the original owner, the communications company, praised OMG INC and The NationStates Community for its efforts and world-wide, democratic ideals"

[Our New World Oceania]

Holy crap, it passed! When I checked, it was losing by hundreds! How the Hell...

Maybe I have bad eyesight.

[Crushing Our Enemies]

It was loosing for part of the first day mostly because 10,000 Islands' delegate threw their 600+ votes on the against side at the very beginning. It took a little while for the general population on the For side to catch up.

EDIT: Incidentally, "hundreds" is not a very large margin.