[PASSED]: Liberate Nationalist Union

[Sedgistan]

Opaloka/Maagnu - stick to posting with one nation in the thread unless it's entirely clear to onlookers that both nations are controlled by the same player.

[Cromarty]

So 'cromarty'

Why the '?

you finally accept that NU was a nazi region.

No I don't and never have done.

As has been said by the native community you griefed in NU ,it wasn't a Nazi region.

The NSG thing I was using it for nationstates game.

Yeah that's wrong. Why not say, y'know, NS?

Yep! Many antifascists are communists got a problem with that? I ain't gonna shed any tears.

It's ironic. Communism, in varying forms, has been responsible for tens of millions of deaths, but Antifa isn't griefing communist regions. I wonder why?

So you got the KKK allusion,

It wasn't an illusion it was an accusation, and like most of your crap it was wrong.

But obviously UDLMEMBERSDISAGREEWITHSOTHEYMUSTBEFASCISTRACISTSKILLKILLKILLKILL.

You're ridiculous.

see they too claim that what they do ain't fascism.

Presumably because they aren't? What with, y'know, being a one issue movement that doesn't perscribe to a single economic model as fascists do?

Bit like the UDL defending POS (you accept you did that too).

And now we move from you being ridiculous to you being divorced from reality.

Still enough progress for one day.

One wonders when Antifa members might make some.

[New Heathera]

I feel all that's been accomplished by liberating the refounded region was offering a chance for vengeful opposition to spam the rmb of that region. Nice work.

[Cromarty]

I feel all that's been accomplished by liberating the refounded region was offering a chance for vengeful opposition to spam the rmb of that region. Nice work.

Why let Antifa have all the 'fun'?

[Ballotonia]

I feel all that's been accomplished by liberating the refounded region was offering a chance for vengeful opposition to spam the rmb of that region. Nice work.

Flawed logic. Since a Liberation Resolution only inhibits a Delegate-imposed password, the Antifa founder should be able to password the place if it wishes to do so.

The 'spamming' I see taking place is done by the Antifa nations.

Ballotonia

[New Heathera]

I feel all that's been accomplished by liberating the refounded region was offering a chance for vengeful opposition to spam the rmb of that region. Nice work.

Flawed logic. Since a Liberation Resolution only inhibits a Delegate-imposed password, the Antifa founder should be able to password the place if it wishes to do so.

The 'spamming' I see taking place is done by the Antifa nations.

Ballotonia

So the ex-natives and GGR officials that have posted there have really been ANTIFA puppets all along?

[Opaloka]

Opaloka/Maagnu - stick to posting with one nation in the thread unless it's entirely clear to onlookers that both nations are controlled by the same player.

Apologies, I was doing the rounds & noticed you know who had posted & replied with my main alter ego before I noticed I weren't wearing the right hat.

@ 'cromarty' you don't accept it was a nazi region, well read the mission statement on 'the NU' WFE.

More to the point does the UDL accept that NU was a nazi/fascist region? Because if not all statements made here that UDL does not now defend nazi OR fascist regions are meaningless.

[Mallorea and Riva]

More to the point does the UDL accept that NU was a nazi/fascist region? Because if not all statements made here that UDL does not now defend nazi OR fascist regions are meaningless.

Why do you insist on dragging the UDL as an organization into this debate? Take it to the UDL thread.

[New Heathera]

My final thoughts: After observing the nature of the succesor region, "The Nationalist Union," I conclude that my original thoughts were correct: Nationalist Union did and still does support nazism. Anyone who was saying that Nationalist Union had nothing to do with the nazi ideology ANTIFA claimed the region supported, I advise you to check the succesor region. I don't care if anyone thinks ideology has no play. I have my bias and I made a decision to oppose because of that bias.

[Mallorea and Riva]

My final thoughts: After observing the nature of the succesor region, "The Nationalist Union," I conclude that my original thoughts were correct: Nationalist Union did and still does support nazism. Anyone who was saying that Nationalist Union had nothing to do with the nazi ideology ANTIFA claimed the region supported, I advise you to check the succesor region. I don't care if anyone thinks ideology has no play. I have my bias and I made a decision to oppose because of that bias.

If I founded a region called "The Antifa" and rp'd being communist hardliners, that would mean that Antifa itself must inherently be mass murderers as well, yes?

[Greater Tezdrian]

My final thoughts: After observing the nature of the succesor region, "The Nationalist Union," I conclude that my original thoughts were correct: Nationalist Union did and still does support nazism. Anyone who was saying that Nationalist Union had nothing to do with the nazi ideology ANTIFA claimed the region supported, I advise you to check the succesor region. I don't care if anyone thinks ideology has no play. I have my bias and I made a decision to oppose because of that bias.

Anyway, as Founder and Secretary of The Nationalist Union, I feel it wise to point out that the NU is not specifically a National Socialist region; but rather that we welcome them among our ranks. The reason I left the original NU in the first place is because of the flood of white nationalists there and I do not intend for that to happen to my region. However I know quite a few honorable National Socialists both Classic and Strasserist, and I see no reasons why sane members of their creed cannot be admitted.

[Ballotonia]

So the ex-natives and GGR officials that have posted there have really been ANTIFA puppets all along?

More likely we have a totally different definition of what constitutes mindless drivel.

My final thoughts: After observing the nature of the succesor region, "The Nationalist Union," I conclude that my original thoughts were correct: Nationalist Union did and still does support nazism. Anyone who was saying that Nationalist Union had nothing to do with the nazi ideology ANTIFA claimed the region supported, I advise you to check the succesor region. I don't care if anyone thinks ideology has no play. I have my bias and I made a decision to oppose because of that bias.

After observing the region in question, I do not see the region as a Nazi region. I also note you fail to point to anything in particular which you regard as evidence of the region being a Nazi region.

Ballotonia

[New Heathera]

So the ex-natives and GGR officials that have posted there have really been ANTIFA puppets all along?

More likely we have a totally different definition of what constitutes mindless drivel.

My final thoughts: After observing the nature of the succesor region, "The Nationalist Union," I conclude that my original thoughts were correct: Nationalist Union did and still does support nazism. Anyone who was saying that Nationalist Union had nothing to do with the nazi ideology ANTIFA claimed the region supported, I advise you to check the succesor region. I don't care if anyone thinks ideology has no play. I have my bias and I made a decision to oppose because of that bias.

After observing the region in question, I do not see the region as a Nazi region. I also note you fail to point to anything in particular which you regard as evidence of the region being a Nazi region.

Ballotonia

Not so much nazi as in league with nazis, which was what I was getting at earlier in the thread.

[Weed]

After observing the region in question, I do not see the region as a Nazi region. I also note you fail to point to anything in particular which you regard as evidence of the region being a Nazi region.

Ballotonia

Not so much nazi as in league with nazis, which was what I was getting at earlier in the thread.

So in other words you stand behind your failure to point to anything in particular which you regard as evidence of the region being in league with Nazis.
It makes so much sense now, thank you for the clarification.

[New Heathera]

Not so much nazi as in league with nazis, which was what I was getting at earlier in the thread.

So in other words you stand behind your failure to point to anything in particular which you regard as evidence of the region being in league with Nazis.
It makes so much sense now, thank you for the clarification.

from The Nationalist Union's factbook entry:

The Nationalist Union is a home for Fascists, National Socialists, and Third Positionists within and without NationStates.

Please, I encourage you to do some research before making snarky responses.

[Ballotonia]

Has it dawned on you that people, in for instance The Nationalist Union but also outside, may see a difference between combining the ideologies of nationalism and socialism (in an online game), and pushing 6 million jews into gas chambers?

Hitler's party was named National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP). You could also focus on two other words and say that anything named a Workers' Party is really advocating a holocaust. Just to say that focusing on two words as sufficient evidence to go into a region-destroying rage is a tad... overdone.

My reasoning here is rather simple: I do not see any swastika's. I see no 'sieg heil's being uttered, no glorification (or even mentioning) of Adolf Hitler. I see nothing which points towards regarding jews, gays, gypsies, etc... as somehow being an inferior race. No denying of the holocaust. Ergo: no Nazi's.

Ballotonia

[Opaloka]

More to the point does the UDL accept that NU was a nazi/fascist region? Because if not all statements made here that UDL does not now defend nazi OR fascist regions are meaningless.

Why do you insist on dragging the UDL as an organization into this debate? Take it to the UDL thread.

If you were a mod that comment would be relevent, as you are not it isn't.

The W&SG believes the stance of the UDL on such regions is relevent. While statements have been made by UDL members that they no longer defend fascist regions, equally statements have been made that lead us to believe that they have no idea what constitutes a fascist region. Furthermore we note that tezdrian the refounder of 'the nationalist union' carries a UDL sig' & was earlier being commended by new bazlantis an office holder on UDL. Is that appropriate for an organisation that claims to no longer defend fascist regions?

[Ballotonia]

Why do you insist on dragging the UDL as an organization into this debate? Take it to the UDL thread.

If you were a mod that comment would be relevent, as you are not it isn't.

The W&SG believes the stance of the UDL on such regions is relevent. While statements have been made by UDL members that they no longer defend fascist regions, equally statements have been made that lead us to believe that they have no idea what constitutes a fascist region. Furthermore we note that tezdrian the refounder of 'the nationalist union' carries a UDL sig' & was earlier being commended by new bazlantis an office holder on UDL. Is that appropriate for an organisation that claims to no longer defend fascist regions?

The official UDL policy states, in part "The United Defenders League does not defend or liberate regions which are themed after the Nazi regime or another theme which clearly emphasises social discrimination (e.g., racism, racial 'purity', gay hate, prejudge of the mentally ill)." Note the lack of use of the word "fascist". Not just in that quote, but it's also absent in the entire policy.

And, frankly, I'm thinking considering the discriminatory behavior of its members, Antifa regions are veering quite close to be regarded subject to the policy above. Grouped together with Nazi regions, there's a certain irony in that... Antifa spending so much time and effort hating the haters, they becomes haters too...

Ballotonia

[Sedgistan]

Mallorea and Riva is correct. Debate on this proposal appears to be over, the discussion about the UDL can be continued in their thread in the Gameplay forum.