[PASSED]: Liberate Nationalist Union

[The Reichland]

Look, the region is now devoid of all natives. The delegate and 2 endorsing him are the only ones left. At this point, it would actually be more beneficial to leave this region to the raiders and let the ex-natives found a new one. Are you seriously going to liberate an empty shell that will forever still be vulnerable as long as there is no founder?

Yes. I want my goddamn region back.

Within my nation and my region, I am anti-fascist. Outside of it, I am the same. We are an ally of Antifa, so in the end, we are AGAINST this bill.

[New Heathera]

Look, the region is now devoid of all natives. The delegate and 2 endorsing him are the only ones left. At this point, it would actually be more beneficial to leave this region to the raiders and let the ex-natives found a new one. Are you seriously going to liberate an empty shell that will forever still be vulnerable as long as there is no founder?

Yes. I want my goddamn region back.

You can refound it and not have to worry about raiders. This liberation will only offer a chance to take it back, not to KEEP it. Even if it passes and is eventually repealed and a password set by the natives, there will still be a chance to raiders to get the password and raid it again. Besides, with all except 3 raiders left in the region, ANTIFA may even decide to blow it to kingdom come at the last moment and let be deleted.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

Look, the region is now devoid of all natives. The delegate and 2 endorsing him are the only ones left. At this point, it would actually be more beneficial to leave this region to the raiders and let the ex-natives found a new one. Are you seriously going to liberate an empty shell that will forever still be vulnerable as long as there is no founder?

Yes. I want my goddamn region back.

What he said. Nationalist Union will probably be refounded before this proposal is done, but I'll be damned if it isn't contested.

and FYI, Heathera? The region will not be "left to raiders". I'm the scary raider in the room. Antifa and GGR are both annoying jokes.

[Cromarty]

What self determination? They were overthrown. In that case, the region "Communist" should be given back to the orginal inhabitants. Where's the uproar in that?
They have determined their fate: They're not in their region anymore because some people just disagreed and threw them out. It happens all the time, but it's strange to see it come up this one time.

Do you not fucking pay attention to this subforum?

Like, at all?

[Ardchoille]

Do you not fucking pay attention to this subforum?

Like, at all?

Cut it out. No need to raise the temperature.

[Republic of Lukeopia]

This proposal, which is currently is going through vote in the Security Council of the Word Assembly, needs to be voted against. It is highly biased in favor of the nations that created this proposal. I encourage everyone to vote against this proposal.

[Klaus Devestatorie]

This proposal, which is currently is going through vote in the Security Council of the Word Assembly, needs to be voted against. It is highly biased in favor of the nations that created this proposal. I encourage everyone to vote against this proposal.

Please list your main nation, your main nation's region, exact update time of your main nation's region and time since the founder of that region last logged in.

[Firstaria]

Firstaria loves to point out how this looks like a famous issue a lot of countries have to deal about nazi rallies. We'll, however, vote for on the behalf that we see no reason to pass-block said region.

[Bears Armed]

Just an excerpt from member Enteszten, 256 days ago.

That's "member" as in "nation that has no RMB posts there after that one and has, in fact, ceased to exist at some point during the intervening time". Not exactly the most solid of evidence for arguing that the region's more recent natives deserved overthrow by Antifa...

And meanwhile, I would still like an explanation as to "No Juden in my nation." can be justified as anything less than fascist.

A post from 222 days ago, by another nation that has since CTEd? Again, not really good evidence about the region's residents at the time of the invasion...

[Ora Amaris]

Since the nation above is OOC a fascist, I affirm my AGAINST vote.
Why should we give people a platform to be hateful, even if its masquerading as roleplay?

[Marina and The Diamonds]

The delegation of Marina and the Diamonds is against this proposal as we do not support the liberation of fascist/nazi regions.

Princess Cynthia
- Representative to the World Assembly for Marina and the Diamonds -

[Cevalo Nacio]

National Union was quite clearly a nazi/fascist reigon that needed to be stopped. We should stand strong with the occupying freedom fighters. This is not a battle over Nationstates rules,this is a fight for justice! We should fight this proposal all the way through and support future takeovers in this manner and set a new precedent for all of NS to be free from the Nazi Beasts that infest the site.

[Ora Amaris]

National Union was quite clearly a nazi/fascist reigon that needed to be stopped. We should stand strong with the occupying freedom fighters. This is not a battle over Nationstates rules,this is a fight for justice! We should fight this proposal all the way through and support future takeovers in this manner and set a new precedent for all of NS to be free from the Nazi Beasts that infest the site.

Not too sure if the occupiers are freedom fighters, really.
But I do think we should just let it be.

[Bears Armed]

Since the nation above is OOC a fascist

Do you often make false accusations, on no evidence whatsoever?
I am neither a fascist OOC nor a fascist IC: Disagreeing with the self-styled "Antifa" does not mean that one is a fascist.

Why should we give people a platform to be hateful, even if its masquerading as roleplay?

"We" don't do so: Max does, and it's his game. if you don't like the rules then you don't have to play...

[Warzone Codger]

At times like this I have no opinion and defer the univerally community opinion of Realvotes...

I'm curious though, does Antifa oppose strictly RP fascists? (and what of those who RP even crueller things than fascism...II forum *shudder*) Do they also oppose people who answer their issues in a fascist way?

[Cevalo Nacio]

Saying this isnt a nazi reigon is like saying the National Party isnt rascist. When this is through we should have a massive antifascist crusade.

[Cromarty]

I'm curious though, does Antifa oppose strictly RP fascists? (and what of those who RP even crueller things than fascism...II forum *shudder*) Do they also oppose people who answer their issues in a fascist way?

It seems to vary from Antifa region/member to Antifa region/member but it seems to be 'you're fascist if I say you are and thus a target'. :/

[Cevalo Nacio]

The corporate fascists from nationalist union will tell you they arent fascists but look at their nations histories on voting and their RPing rule.Plus nations do not have to be Nazis or Rascists in order to be fascists as these people are. We should stand strong with our antirascist brethren in fighting these nationalist/fascist/clown demons. let this be our anthem as we vote against this proposal.http://youtu.be/JrGzypUk5vQ

[NanoTrasen]

Voting for, although I'm against Fascism and all that other politically unjust things in the world, there's no clear evidence to me in this whole argument that the Nationalist Union is either Fascist or Neo-Nazi's such the Antifa's actions were uncalled for.

Arguing on moral stuff and not giving one good shred of evidence of how this nation's raid was justified is simply, in blunt terms, stupid.

[Ora Amaris]

Since the nation above is OOC a fascist

Do you often make false accusations, on no evidence whatsoever?
I am neither a fascist OOC nor a fascist IC: Disagreeing with the self-styled "Antifa" does not mean that one is a fascist.

Not you, I was just too lazy to find his post and quote it.
I probably should have though, apologies for the mix-up.

OOC I'm a fascist. Everyone knows this. But why should this keep my home region from being liberated? Or anyone's?

Why should we give people a platform to be hateful, even if its masquerading as roleplay?

"We" don't do so: Max does, and it's his game. if you don't like the rules then you don't have to play...

Indeed. But racist and hateful views are silenced on the boards. Not saying we shouldn't let them RP off on their own region, but liberating, imo, legitimises their beliefs. I say, let them reap what they sow.

[Cevalo Nacio]

This proposal sets a new standard of stupidity, the fascists could just make a new reigon and pout about their loss on their corner of this site. Voting tp liberate (enslave in actuality) would simply establish that ationstates is a site full of Nazi sympathizers. The reason they are proposing this is simply to demonstrate their existence and feel cool for defeating antifasicsts in an rpd UN match while their political opinions have no bearing on the actual world.

[Tigeria]

Extremist Democracy. Forcing freedom. I support

[The Reichland]

This proposal, which is currently is going through vote in the Security Council of the Word Assembly, needs to be voted against. It is highly biased in favor of the nations that created this proposal. I encourage everyone to vote against this proposal.

Please list your main nation, your main nation's region, exact update time of your main nation's region and time since the founder of that region last logged in.

Yeah...what does that have anything to do with what they said?

[Greater Tezdrian]

The absurdity here is that people think that since Nationalist Union was a center for Nationalist/WN thought that we shouldn't be liberated to 'stop the spread of fascism' or somesuch bullshit like that. Newsflash: There is no 'spread of fascism'. Fascists, Nationalists, Nazis etc. constitute a very small minority on this site, with most of the folks in NAZI EUROPE and the GGR just play-acting at being Germans. NS is not filled with Nazi sympathizers; NS is filled with atheists, communists, socialists and liberal democrats. However voting against a resolution just because of OOC sympathies that have nothing to do with the game is foolish and biased and rightfully dismissed as so by the majority. The assumption that I'm (because it is I, I'm the OOC Fascist here and one of the only remaining natives) am advocating for this region's liberation because I/we are, as asserted by Cevalo Nacio, "simply to demonstrate their existence and feel cool for defeating antifasicsts in an rpd UN match while their political opinions have no bearing on the actual world" is frankly insulting. I feel no need to demonstrate my existence, I'm well known in both NSG and II as a person for some prominence. As for defeating antifas, I couldn't give a shit whether they were Antifascists or TBH. They stole my region, I want it back. That's it.

[Kazinstan]

Against. Nationalist Union is a fascist, borderline Nazi region that deserves everything that it got. Further, OMD single-handedly destroyed the region Islam, which is again relevant in the news. I would be hard-pressed to vote for anything that OMD supported, let alone written.

There is no way I could support this, and I am disappointed in the choice many of my comrades have made above.

Excuse me but I thought the Nationalist Union was Communist, this new Revealing information of it NOT being communist, I am now declaring that it should not be liberated due to my communist ideology.