[PASSED]: Liberate Nationalist Union

[Belmaria]

Call it what you will, they took over Islam, and we must not let this go unnoticed. Interventionism must be stopped!

And ANTIFA are doing the exact same thing to NU just under a different name

Yes, but the point is that an Interventionist foreign policy is bad for all parties involved because it breeds hatred. I do not support any types of "liberation" as these wars are almost ALWAYS for political reasons and not for the commonwealth of the people.

[NanoTrasen]

Everyone going against this just because of OOC reasons? You guys are truly pathetic, but if this region had the same name, but the Founder and Delegate was OOCly Liberal and was taken over by some weird extremist group then everyone would go for the liberation. Why? Because you guys blindly choose to side with others OOCly.

As to the Nation who spoke before me, what has Liberals done for the world? They promote Liberalism. They hate everyone that doesn't fall under their political opinion. All you've guys done so far is prosecute, prosecute, raid, raid, raid. Shown by this raid, you guys are just a bunch of terrorists who believe you're on some Holy Crusade to fight people of a different political stand point. Just because they are Fascist doesn't mean they are the cruelest beings in the universe. You guys are just as worst as the monsters you portray your enemies.

I am Libertarian, and therefore don't support any "liberation". This is all just a political ploy by a hypocrite for us to help him. Please read my earlier posts.

Let me rephrase the statement I was redirecting it to, as I have seem to not made it specific as to who I'm talking to.

I'm not talking about the Libertarians, Communists or Socialists, I'm talking to the Liberals opposing this act. Your only valid argument is that the region is presumably a Fascist state just because one person OOCly admitted he was a Fascist in REAL LIFE.

Note: Not trying to offend the person I quoted, if my writing offended you.

[Drop Your Pants]

Yes, but the point is that an Interventionist foreign policy is bad for all parties involved because it breeds hatred. I do not support any types of "liberation" as these wars are almost ALWAYS for political reasons and not for the commonwealth of the people.

So what ANTIFA is doing is wrong because it's breeding hatred?

[Klaus Devestatorie]

What he said. Nationalist Union will probably be refounded before this proposal is done, but I'll be damned if it isn't contested.

and FYI, Heathera? The region will not be "left to raiders". I'm the scary raider in the room. Antifa and GGR are both annoying jokes.

Aww c'mon KD admit it, you're just miffed that Antifa beat you to it and stopped you adding it to your collection!
You fell asleep as the Silver Tower and now you're nursing a grudge.

British Union of Fascists was your pinnacle freelancing for the Nazis, but they shunned you and so you took your toys away! Same with Nordreich - Thought you were striking a blow against the jackboots and all you got was an obsolete honey-pot - you're no more a raider than Mahaj!

OMD is playing the SC to get his "Fatherland" back, you are playing along in order to get a chance to conquer the region yourself!

At least Antifa are open in their intentions to destroy fascism, by whatever means at their disposal

The history is surprisingly accurate coming from Antifa, although the actual case for "removing my toys from GGR" was that they decided that I was OOC racially impure. Which is messy, and which I gave OOC, Gameplay and Roleplay responses to.

In the case of Nationalist Union, when prompted to remove me afterwards, GGR was told to shove it. That's another reason why Nationalist Union gets special treatment. Unlike The Fascist Senate, who didn't contribute much in roleplay and followed GGR's armed forces around...



My still having a nation publicly in there didn't stop Unknown from defacing the WFE while the founder was on holiday.

While I do have intentions of refounding the region if I can catch it, I have no intentions of locking it down like I would with some of the other regions I have captured. The WA controls will be turned off, but it will certainly not be passworded, and should Greater Americanistan return at some point, I will be happy to hand over the password of the founder nation to him.

In the meantime, your entire area of the game is a sideshow that I would only get involved in to rip everything and everyone involved to pieces, and one that the entire game (apart from the lunatics in XKI) rightfully ignores whenever possible, until someone gets offended. Down with your very concepts of ideology.

[New Heathera]

Everyone going against this just because of OOC reasons? You guys are truly pathetic, but if this region had the same name, but the Founder and Delegate was OOCly Liberal and was taken over by some weird extremist group then everyone would go for the liberation. Why? Because you guys blindly choose to side with others OOCly.

As to the Nation who spoke before me, what has Liberals done for the world? They promote Liberalism. They hate everyone that doesn't fall under their political opinion. All you've guys done so far is prosecute, prosecute, raid, raid, raid. Shown by this raid, you guys are just a bunch of terrorists who believe you're on some Holy Crusade to fight people of a different political stand point. Just because they are Fascist doesn't mean they are the cruelest beings in the universe. You guys are just as worst as the monsters you portray your enemies.

So let me get this straight. Nazis murder children and families, use their remains for factories, and use them as test subjects, and we are just as bad as that for making the modern-day neo-nazis know of the crimes they endorse?

[Greater Tezdrian]

Everyone going against this just because of OOC reasons? You guys are truly pathetic, but if this region had the same name, but the Founder and Delegate was OOCly Liberal and was taken over by some weird extremist group then everyone would go for the liberation. Why? Because you guys blindly choose to side with others OOCly.

As to the Nation who spoke before me, what has Liberals done for the world? They promote Liberalism. They hate everyone that doesn't fall under their political opinion. All you've guys done so far is prosecute, prosecute, raid, raid, raid. Shown by this raid, you guys are just a bunch of terrorists who believe you're on some Holy Crusade to fight people of a different political stand point. Just because they are Fascist doesn't mean they are the cruelest beings in the universe. You guys are just as worst as the monsters you portray your enemies.

So let me get this straight. Nazis murder children and families, use their remains for factories, and use them as test subjects, and we are just as bad as that for making the modern-day neo-nazis know of the crimes they endorse?

*explodes*

I) No National Socialist or Neo-Nazi on this Earth endorses the acts of the Holocaust. Not a single one. Either they believe the Holocaust was entirely fabricated or that the numbers are greatly exaggerated. If the former, they don't care be why should they? If the latter, they acknowledge it as an unfortunate act carried out in the midst of war. However no one 'endorses it'.
II) If they did endorse it, they don't need to be reminded. They already know.

[Belmaria]

Yes, but the point is that an Interventionist foreign policy is bad for all parties involved because it breeds hatred. I do not support any types of "liberation" as these wars are almost ALWAYS for political reasons and not for the commonwealth of the people.

So what ANTIFA is doing is wrong because it's breeding hatred?

Yes, but these people will solve their differences on their own, we don't need to intervene.

[Cerian Quilor]

OMD didn't actually raid Islam, when you get right down to it, Bell.

Call it what you will, they took over Islam, and we must not let this go unnoticed. Interventionism musta be stopped!

But its okay for Antifa to intervene in Nationalist Union?

Re:

We concur. We cast our vote AGAINST this Liberation. As if you can liberate a region that is not committed to liberation anyway.

Call it what you will, they took over Islam, and we must not let this go unnoticed. Interventionism must be stopped!

Exactly.

Darren Cahil

Today, on the Hypocrisy hour, we have: Belmaria, Parti Ouvrier,

I read this "Liberation". Why should this region be liberated? It's right to determination? That's it? Have they done anything good for the world? They promote Fascism. They hate everyone that doesn't fall under there guidelines of being a person. As said before some regions don't deserve liberation. Looks like we found are some regions.

So only regions that have done 'good' for the world get Liberated? That's news to me.

Besides, I didn't know we liberated on ideology.

Call it what you will, they took over Islam, and we must not let this go unnoticed. Interventionism must be stopped!

And ANTIFA are doing the exact same thing to NU just under a different name

DYP is extremely accurate. (Yes, I know how odd that sounds)

And ANTIFA are doing the exact same thing to NU just under a different name

Yes, but the point is that an Interventionist foreign policy is bad for all parties involved because it breeds hatred. I do not support any types of "liberation" as these wars are almost ALWAYS for political reasons and not for the commonwealth of the people.

If Interventionism is bad, then we should be punishing Antifa's intervtnionism as well as OMDs.

And now, in the Hypocrisy Hour, Part 2, we have, still with us: Belmaria!

Yes, but the point is that an Interventionist foreign policy is bad for all parties involved because it breeds hatred. I do not support any types of "liberation" as these wars are almost ALWAYS for political reasons and not for the commonwealth of the people.

So what ANTIFA is doing is wrong because it's breeding hatred?

Didn't you get the Memo, DYP? Antifa can do no wrong.

Everyone going against this just because of OOC reasons? You guys are truly pathetic, but if this region had the same name, but the Founder and Delegate was OOCly Liberal and was taken over by some weird extremist group then everyone would go for the liberation. Why? Because you guys blindly choose to side with others OOCly.

As to the Nation who spoke before me, what has Liberals done for the world? They promote Liberalism. They hate everyone that doesn't fall under their political opinion. All you've guys done so far is prosecute, prosecute, raid, raid, raid. Shown by this raid, you guys are just a bunch of terrorists who believe you're on some Holy Crusade to fight people of a different political stand point. Just because they are Fascist doesn't mean they are the cruelest beings in the universe. You guys are just as worst as the monsters you portray your enemies.

So let me get this straight. Nazis murder children and families, use their remains for factories, and use them as test subjects, and we are just as bad as that for making the modern-day neo-nazis know of the crimes they endorse?

1.) Nationalist Union is not a specifically Nazi region
2.) This is a game, not IRL
3.) Freedom of speech is more than legal, last time I checked
4.) Nationalist Union and its citizens have not committed any IRL crimes that I know of.

So what ANTIFA is doing is wrong because it's breeding hatred?

Yes, but these people will solve their differences on their own, we don't need to intervene.

An organization that is litteraly named the word “Anti-Facist' in abbreviation is supposed to be able to solve its differences with a Fascist region?

Apparently, Intolerance will not be tolerated.

[Frisbeeteria]

Call it what you will, they took over Islam, and we must not let this go unnoticed. Interventionism musta be stopped!

But its okay for Antifa to intervene in Nationalist Union?

Re:

We concur. We cast our vote AGAINST this Liberation. As if you can liberate a region that is not committed to liberation anyway.



Exactly.

Darren Cahil

Today, on the Hypocrisy hour, we have: Belmaria, Parti Ouvrier,

I read this "Liberation". Why should this region be liberated? It's right to determination? That's it? Have they done anything good for the world? They promote Fascism. They hate everyone that doesn't fall under there guidelines of being a person. As said before some regions don't deserve liberation. Looks like we found are some regions.

So only regions that have done 'good' for the world get Liberated? That's news to me.

Besides, I didn't know we liberated on ideology.

And ANTIFA are doing the exact same thing to NU just under a different name

DYP is extremely accurate. (Yes, I know how odd that sounds)

Yes, but the point is that an Interventionist foreign policy is bad for all parties involved because it breeds hatred. I do not support any types of "liberation" as these wars are almost ALWAYS for political reasons and not for the commonwealth of the people.

If Interventionism is bad, then we should be punishing Antifa's intervtnionism as well as OMDs.

And now, in the Hypocrisy Hour, Part 2, we have, still with us: Belmaria!

So what ANTIFA is doing is wrong because it's breeding hatred?

Didn't you get the Memo, DYP? Antifa can do no wrong.

So let me get this straight. Nazis murder children and families, use their remains for factories, and use them as test subjects, and we are just as bad as that for making the modern-day neo-nazis know of the crimes they endorse?

1.) Nationalist Union is not a specifically Nazi region
2.) This is a game, not IRL
3.) Freedom of speech is more than legal, last time I checked
4.) Nationalist Union and its citizens have not committed any IRL crimes that I know of.

Yes, but these people will solve their differences on their own, we don't need to intervene.

An organization that is litteraly named the word “Anti-Facist' in abbreviation is supposed to be able to solve its differences with a Fascist region?

Apparently, Intolerance will not be tolerated.

I would also condemn Antifa, but I want to do one thing at a time

[Cerian Quilor]

If Antifa's invention is bad, shouldn't we reverse that Intervenion?

[Belmaria]

If Antifa's invention is bad, shouldn't we reverse that Intervenion?

Because we don't want to start another war or stoop to their level. We should rather use diplomatic channels to solve our problems.

[New Heathera]

Well I still stand by my decision. That whole combat hatred with kindness thing is a load of bologna. If you want to hear my life story on why I think this way, don't hesitate to ask in telegram.

[Belmaria]

Well I still stand by my decision. That whole combat hatred with kindness thing is a load of bologna. If you want to hear my life story on why I think this way, don't hesitate to ask in telegram.

You're shooting yourself in the foot if you think that starting conflicts with other nations or regions is going to help out with world "peace". Think about it. When the WA intervenes in the affairs of others who are capable of solving their problems on their own, we endanger the safety of many civilians as well as employed military personnel by starting conflict. This is not something that I wish to do.

[Jaggeria]

I am voting AGAINST this proposal. For the sole reason OMD has authored it.

I agree in principal that a region should be threatened with extinction, simply because their views are different from mine, that is what equality means! If you claim you are for equality, but come one with even just one exception then you are NOT for equality. Equality is an all or nothing thing by its very definition. However because of OMD deceitful practices involved with the region of Islam, this proposal can not be taken at face value.

[Greater Tezdrian]

I am voting AGAINST this proposal. For the sole reason OMD has authored it.

I agree in principal that a region should be threatened with extinction, simply because their views are different from mine, that is what equality means! If you claim you are for equality, but come one with even just one exception then you are NOT for equality. Equality is an all or nothing thing by its very definition. However because of OMD deceitful practices involved with the region of Islam, this proposal can not be taken at face value.

What cannot be taken at face value?

[Belmaria]

I am voting AGAINST this proposal. For the sole reason OMD has authored it.

I agree in principal that a region should be threatened with extinction, simply because their views are different from mine, that is what equality means! If you claim you are for equality, but come one with even just one exception then you are NOT for equality. Equality is an all or nothing thing by its very definition. However because of OMD deceitful practices involved with the region of Islam, this proposal can not be taken at face value.

What cannot be taken at face value?

The fact that this guy took over Islam and didn't think twice, but then when someone else took over his region it matters. Hypocrite is the word that comes to mind.

[Cerian Quilor]

You don't understand Liberate Resolutions, do you?

All this will do is strike down the Delegate-Imposed Password.

this will NOT involve troops or any kind, in the sense that you are talking about.

[Belmaria]

You don't understand Liberate Resolutions, do you?

All this will do is strike down the Delegate-Imposed Password.

this will NOT involve troops or any kind, in the sense that you are talking about.

I see, well excuse me, I am a bit new at the WA, but I still believe that every region has a right to password protection for security purposes (If no password is required for entry, then anyone can come in and take over again). I also still believe that this hypocrite must not win. OMD is a terrible nation and must be dealt with diplomatically.

[Pandemicia]

If, as I highly doubt, you haven't just made that up, please provide evidence for this assertion.

Communist

That was me. Nationalist Union was not part of that whatsoever. Invalid point is invalid.

[Greater Tezdrian]

You don't understand Liberate Resolutions, do you?

All this will do is strike down the Delegate-Imposed Password.

this will NOT involve troops or any kind, in the sense that you are talking about.

I see, well excuse me, I am a bit new at the WA, but I still believe that every region has a right to password protection for security purposes (If no password is required for entry, then anyone can come in and take over again). I also still believe that this hypocrite must not win. OMD is a terrible nation and must be dealt with diplomatically.

Um, OMD isn't from the NU. Atleast I don't ever remember him as a member.

[Belmaria]

I see, well excuse me, I am a bit new at the WA, but I still believe that every region has a right to password protection for security purposes (If no password is required for entry, then anyone can come in and take over again). I also still believe that this hypocrite must not win. OMD is a terrible nation and must be dealt with diplomatically.

Um, OMD isn't from the NU. Atleast I don't ever remember him as a member.

I obtained my information from this WA resolution
http://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_pas ... 2/start=83

[Greater Tezdrian]

Um, OMD isn't from the NU. Atleast I don't ever remember him as a member.

I obtained my information from this WA resolution
http://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_pas ... 2/start=83

Which has absolutely fuck-all to do with Nationalist Union

[Belmaria]

I obtained my information from this WA resolution
http://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_pas ... 2/start=83

Which has absolutely fuck-all to do with Nationalist Union

It does, because OMD is standing up for his allies and their preemptive attacks, then when people retaliate he lobbies the WA.

[Greater Tezdrian]

Which has absolutely fuck-all to do with Nationalist Union

It does, because OMD is standing up for his allies and their preemptive attacks, then when people retaliate he lobbies the WA.

So OMD is standing up for an allied nation, which leads to....? A Second Montreaux Conference dominating the globe?

[Belmaria]

It does, because OMD is standing up for his allies and their preemptive attacks, then when people retaliate he lobbies the WA.

So OMD is standing up for an allied nation, which leads to....? A Second Montreaux Conference dominating the globe?

He is standing up for their terrible crusade, which is the bad thing here