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[PASSED] Repeal "Animal Cruelty Prevention"

Postby Scion Lop On » Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:00 pm

Ambassador Mitchell Ferris stood and presented his newest proposal for consideration by the World Assembly.

The World Assembly,

DETERMINING that "Animal Cruelty Prevention" does not address certain complexities, and that it neglects to place safeguards on certain exceptions that it grants:

  • "Animal Cruelty Prevention" considers any "reasonable person" qualified to determine the degree of care appropriate for an animal, rather than relying on expert advice that might be offered by a professional, such as a veterinarian;

  • Anyone is allowed to mistreat an animal, so long as the mistreatment is for religious reasons;

  • The definition of domestic animals can also be applied to humans, thus legalizing the sacrifice of human beings and other sapient creatures;

  • "Wild animals" may be abused or mistreated with impunity;

BELIEVING that these flaws may lead to grave and unintended consequences;

ASSERTING that it is in its best interest to repeal ineffective legislation, such as resolution #145;

Hereby,

REPEALS General Assembly Resolution #145, "Animal Cruelty Prevention."

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The World Assembly,

1. While not necessarily opposed to preventing cruelty directed towards animals, believes that any resolution seeking to do so must also take into consideration the complexities involved with it, specifically those associated with the fields of agriculture and medicine.

2. Determines that resolution #145 lacks the necessary considerations in regards to the aforementioned topics, and as such, may incite unintended consequences,

3. Asserts that it is in its best interest to repeal ineffective legislation, such as resolution #145,

And to this ends, observes the following flaws within the resolution #145, Animal Cruelty Prevention, specifically:

    - that clause 1c states that any "reasonable person" is qualified to determine the degree of care appropriate for an animal, instead of a professional, such as a veterinarian,

    - that the religious exemption subverts the entire intent of the resolution by allowing anyone to mistreat an animal, so long as the mistreatment is for religious reasons,

    - that the definition of domestic animal applies to humans, thus, legalizing the sacrifice of human beings and other sapient creature,

    - that any animal may be euthanized to "end [its] suffering," even if the causes of such suffering can be alleviated through practical means,

    - that individual's may abuse or mistreat "wild animals," as stipulated by exemption number five,

4. Desirous of a resolution that may effectively address the prevention of animal cruelty, while simultaneously taking the flaws cited within this repeal into consideration,

5. Resolves that General Assembly Resolution #145, "Animal Cruelty Prevention" is hereby repealed.


I actually plan on submitting this within the next week or so, after its accumulated enough feedback unless there's a compelling argument against it. That being said, please do comment and criticize!


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Postby Mahaj » Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:08 pm

Animal Cruelty Prevention stemmed from me writing failed drafts on the topic.

I support the repeal and would be willing to help on a replacement.
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Postby Scion Lop On » Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:18 pm

Mahaj wrote:Animal Cruelty Prevention stemmed from me writing failed drafts on the topic.

I support the repeal and would be willing to help on a replacement.


I've talked to Knootoss in private about doing a repeal and replace, using his proposed replacement from a while back, so if it's an R&R you're looking for, we're a step ahead. :p
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Postby Mahaj » Sun Mar 18, 2012 7:35 pm

Scion Lop On wrote:
Mahaj wrote:Animal Cruelty Prevention stemmed from me writing failed drafts on the topic.

I support the repeal and would be willing to help on a replacement.


I've talked to Knootoss in private about doing a repeal and replace, using his proposed replacement from a while back, so if it's an R&R you're looking for, we're a step ahead. :p

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i'm always a step behind :(

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Postby Sionis Prioratus » Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:11 pm

Hmmm. Interesting. I support this.

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Postby Cinistra » Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:38 pm

Supported.
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Postby Alqania » Sun Mar 18, 2012 11:40 pm

"Hmm", Lord Raekevik hummed in sceptical contemplation, "if I have understood the intentions here correctly, the idea is to replace the resolution with a harsher one? I am uncertain as to whether the Queendom would be supportive of such a replacement, perhaps we would find a simple repeal more agreeable, as we tend to dislike the moral decency category and find its resolutions rather lacking in international significance.

Since animals in agriculture, medicine, religion, hunting and so on are excluded from the resolution, could further resolutions not be made on those topics without repealing the ACP?"
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Postby Quelesh » Mon Mar 19, 2012 9:33 am

ACP is a deeply flawed resolution, and I wholeheartedly support its repeal.

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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:19 am

Scion Lop On wrote:
The World Assembly,

1. While not necessarily opposed to preventing cruelty directed towards animals, believes that any resolution seeking to do so must also take into consideration the complexities involved with it, specifically those associated with the fields of agriculture and medicine.

2. Determines that resolution #145 lacks the necessary considerations in regards to the aforementioned topics, and as such, may incite unintended consequences,

3. Asserts that it is in its best interest to repeal ineffective legislation, such as resolution #145,

And to this ends, observes the following flaws within the resolution #145, Animal Cruelty Prevention, specifically:
  1. That clause one, subclause c states that any "reasonable person" is qualified to determine the degree of care appropriate for an animal, instead of a professional, such as a veterinarian,
  2. That the religious exemption subverts the entire intent of the resolution by allowing anyone to mistreat an animal, so long as the mistreatment is for religious reasons,
  3. That the definition of domestic animal applies to humans, thus, legalizing the sacrifice of human beings and other sapient creature,
  4. That any animal may be euthanized to "end [its] suffering," even if the causes of such suffering can be alleviated through practical means,
  5. That individual's may abuse or mistreat "wild animals," as stipulated by exemption number five,

4. Desirous of a resolution that may effectively address the prevention of animal cruelty, while simultaneously taking the flaws cited within this repeal into consideration,

5. Resolves that General Assembly Resolution #145, "Animal Cruelty Prevention" is hereby repealed.


I actually plan on submitting this within the next week or so, after its accumulated enough feedback unless there's a compelling argument against it. That being said, please do comment and criticize!

Fixed some spelling errors, and made it look better according to my personal preferences. Do with it what you will.
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Postby Of the Quendi » Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:31 am

Galadriel i Galadhrim Celebríaniel nos-Malréd pondered the repeal for a moment. Normally it came instinctive to her to support just about any repeal that didn't have potentially damaging effects for her homeland's economy. Still animal rights was something her state, staunchly vegan for centuries, cared about. "The People and Senate of the Quendi ... Supports, the repeal." The SMFAWA said, hesitating only briefly before offering her support. "While I do not agree with all of the repeal proposal as it currently stands, I favor the overall intents sufficiently to look past my objections."
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Postby Naughtania » Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:42 am

SUPPORT.
We do need a new resolution, given the previous one's flaws.
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Postby Scion Lop On » Mon Mar 19, 2012 2:31 pm

Alqania wrote:"Hmm", Lord Raekevik hummed in sceptical contemplation, "if I have understood the intentions here correctly, the idea is to replace the resolution with a harsher one? I am uncertain as to whether the Queendom would be supportive of such a replacement, perhaps we would find a simple repeal more agreeable, as we tend to dislike the moral decency category and find its resolutions rather lacking in international significance.

Since animals in agriculture, medicine, religion, hunting and so on are excluded from the resolution, could further resolutions not be made on those topics without repealing the ACP?"


Well, we want a harsher replacement, inasmuch as it prevents the abuses permitted within the current text. In theory, certain aspects of the repeal could be partially addressed through another resolution, but everything included in the "exemption" section of ACP are explicitly outlined, such as the religious exemption, and the erroneous euthanasia exception. If you're interested in the proposed replacement, you can find it in the OP, or here.

Mallorea and Riva wrote:Fixed some spelling errors, and made it look better according to my personal preferences. Do with it what you will.


Thanks! I think I'll keep the current format (with a few changes, perhaps), but I've changed all of the spelling mistakes. :p

Naughtania wrote:SUPPORT.
We do need a new resolution, given the previous one's flaws.

Sionis Prioratus wrote:Hmmm. Interesting. I support this.

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Cinistra wrote:Supported.

Quelesh wrote:ACP is a deeply flawed resolution, and I wholeheartedly support its repeal.

Of the Quendi wrote:Galadriel i Galadhrim Celebríaniel nos-Malréd pondered the repeal for a moment. Normally it came instinctive to her to support just about any repeal that didn't have potentially damaging effects for her homeland's economy. Still animal rights was something her state, staunchly vegan for centuries, cared about. "The People and Senate of the Quendi ... Supports, the repeal." The SMFAWA said, hesitating only briefly before offering her support. "While I do not agree with all of the repeal proposal as it currently stands, I favor the overall intents sufficiently to look past my objections."


Thank you all for the support!
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Postby Scion Lop On » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:52 pm

Unless there are any objections, this will be submitted Friday.
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:02 pm

Kill the fourth clause.
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Postby Scion Lop On » Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:05 pm

Mallorea and Riva wrote:Kill the fourth clause.


Hmm. I suppose. It doesn't really detract from the argument made, although I do think that the repeal should mention that we're supportive of the proposed replacement.
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Postby Camwood » Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:06 pm

Ah I was wondering when this was going to show up! FOR the repeal. Good Idea Mate.
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Postby Scion Lop On » Thu Mar 22, 2012 7:36 pm

Submitted for a test run here.
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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:26 pm

Scion Lop On wrote:Submitted for a test run here.

While I stand behind a repeal, I must stand against the currently submitted version due to the technical error in it's listing.
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Postby Scion Lop On » Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:30 am

Mallorea and Riva wrote:
Scion Lop On wrote:Submitted for a test run here.

While I stand behind a repeal, I must stand against the currently submitted version due to the technical error in it's listing.


I noticed it as well; this as initially going to be campaigned for, but I decided that it was too trivial to bother the mods with, so I'm using it as a quality-gauging litmus test instead. Anyway, I've changed clause four, as per your request, to something that is hopefully more palatable.
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Postby Knootoss » Fri Mar 23, 2012 9:21 pm

Support the cause but not the wordiness. I've polished the language a bit using my "less is better" approach:

The World Assembly,

CONSIDERING that "Animal Cruelty Prevention" does not address certain complexities:

  • "Animal Cruelty Prevention" considers any "reasonable person" qualified to determine the degree of care appropriate for an animal, rather than relying on expert advice that might be offered by a professional, such as a veterinarian;
  • Anyone is allowed to mistreat an animal, so long as the mistreatment is for religious reasons;
  • The definition of domestic animals can also be applied to humans, thus legalizing the sacrifice of human beings and other sapient creatures;
  • "Wild animals" may be abused or mistreated with impunity;

BELIEVING that these flaws may lead to grave and unintended consequences;

Hereby,

REPEALS General Assembly Resolution #145, "Animal Cruelty Prevention".
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Postby Scion Lop On » Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:38 am

Knootoss wrote:Support the cause but not the wordiness. I've polished the language a bit using my "less is better" approach:

The World Assembly,

CONSIDERING that "Animal Cruelty Prevention" does not address certain complexities:

  • "Animal Cruelty Prevention" considers any "reasonable person" qualified to determine the degree of care appropriate for an animal, rather than relying on expert advice that might be offered by a professional, such as a veterinarian;
  • Anyone is allowed to mistreat an animal, so long as the mistreatment is for religious reasons;
  • The definition of domestic animals can also be applied to humans, thus legalizing the sacrifice of human beings and other sapient creatures;
  • "Wild animals" may be abused or mistreated with impunity;

BELIEVING that these flaws may lead to grave and unintended consequences;

Hereby,

REPEALS General Assembly Resolution #145, "Animal Cruelty Prevention".


Much more succinct. I might add a bit to it, just for stylistic purposes, but overall, this is much better! Thank you!
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Postby Knootoss » Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:51 am

A resolution needs to be longer for stylistic purposes? Dilutes the power of the words!

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Postby Scion Lop On » Sat Mar 24, 2012 7:59 am

Knootoss wrote:A resolution needs to be longer for stylistic purposes? Dilutes the power of the words!


Nowhere near as long as the original. Just a single clause at the end and a bit of spacing; shouldn't dilute the power too much. :p
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Postby Knootoss » Sat Mar 24, 2012 8:09 am

Oh yeah, this is good.

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Postby Libraria and Ausitoria » Sun Mar 25, 2012 3:19 am

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