[DEFEATED] Condemn Lazarus

[Goobergunchia]

Description: A document to condemn Lazarus on a general agreement over the treatment of recruiters in their domain.

Argument: Security Council,

ACKNOWLEDGING that there are some large founder-less regions that are original and are generally accepted to be fair game,

LAUDING the intent of regional WA Delegate Drop Your Pants on actively working to curb the recruitment messages left on the Regional Message Board,

WHOLLY AGREEING that recruiters should not be hassled for working to make their founding region an attractive place to go,

DISAPPOINTED with the region of Lazarus for forcing recruiters to use Spanish and other alternative languages to English,

ACKNOWLEDGING that English is widely known and written compared to the use of other languages that member nations are being forced to know,

APPALLED with the region for acts suppressing recruitment messages on the Regional Message Board,

HEREBY CONDEMNS Lazarus.

[Tim-Opolis]

Your condemn would pass for any feeder or sinker.

They're allowed to supress ad-spam and most people are glad that they do.

I'm for getting ad-spam banned completely.

So- AGAINST

[Nuevo Blluedevil]

Your condemn would pass for any feeder or sinker.

They're allowed to supress ad-spam and most people are glad that they do.

I'm for getting ad-spam banned completely.

So- AGAINST

I have looked under both the rules and guides. You are right to say that this condemnation is appropriate. However, if people are living in feeder/sinker regions and do not like the ad-spam, wouldn't it be a no brainer that they should leave to a founding region. Of course in founding regions ad-spam is zero tolerance.

[Crushing Our Enemies]

Your operative clause is illegal, as a condemn proposal can't do anything but condemn it's target. Opposing things and shaming things are not within the power of the WA.

With regards to content, it seems like DYP is justly using his powers as delegate to protect his community from minor annoyance.

[Nuevo Blluedevil]

I changed the bottom to read the proper condemnation and got rid of feeder/sinker and words alluding to a game. It is now allvague enough to understand types of regions being used as an example.

[Sedgistan]

You didn't fix the Rule 4 violations. Take your time with this, and get advice on drafting it from SC regulars. It's better than racking up warnings for re-submitting illegal proposals.

[Nuevo Blluedevil]

You didn't fix the Rule 4 violations. Take your time with this, and get advice on drafting it from SC regulars. It's better than racking up warnings for re-submitting illegal proposals.

I looked at past codemnation passed resolutions. CONDEMNING Lazarus for the above statements. should be lega, right?

Sorry, this subject just got me worked up. Sorry for jumping the gun too quickly.

[Frenequesta]

It is not necessary to say "for the above statements". It is standard procedure to say "HEREBY CONDEMNS Lazarus" as it says enough in as few words as possible.

I think Sedge's concerns are for the direct reference to "the game" in the clause about the importance of English, but there might be others.

[Nuevo Blluedevil]

It is not necessary to say "for the above statements". It is standard procedure to say "HEREBY CONDEMNS Lazarus" as it says enough in as few words as possible.

I think Sedge's concerns are for the direct reference to "the game" in the clause about the importance of English, but there might be others.

Ok thanks. I did not catch that reference. I took your suggestions and altered it.

[Drop Your Pants]

Why not condemn me instead of Lazarus, i'm the one that sets the theme

[Frenequesta]

Why not condemn me instead of Lazarus, i'm the one that sets the theme

Let me confess, I'm the one who suggested to Neuvo to bring this to the Security Council after a similar proposal was drummed out of the General Assembly, and suggested to him that a condemnation of you would be more appropriate. So I too am a little surprised he didn't take that route.

[Nuevo Blluedevil]

Why not condemn me instead of Lazarus, i'm the one that sets the theme

Mmwwahahahah...'cause there will be others, other WA Delegates than yourself. Plus, your regions tactics are being made an example out of! Other feeder/sinker regions do the same sort of supressive tactics that you apply.

[Nuevo Blluedevil]

Plus, the power should be returned to the smaller FOUNDER regions and not to sinker/feeder regions that feel they can dictate a region that was set up to benefit founding regions.

In other words we acknowledge that sinker/feeder regions are public...open to recruitment and founder regions are private and free to supress their RMB and recruit on public regions.

[Heistrein]

Ok, I've been hearing the term all evening, but don't know what it means. Forgive my noob-ness, but what is a sinker/feeder region? I'm not entirely getting it just from reading the posts...

[Drop Your Pants]

Sinkers are game crated regions where nations are refounded, or in the case of The Rejected Realms ejected to. Feeders are also game created regions where every nation starts its NS life, the Pacific's. Not a bad summary for 4.30am.

Plus, the power should be returned to the smaller FOUNDER regions and not to sinker/feeder regions that feel they can dictate a region that was set up to benefit founding regions.

Small regions have no power in the feeders/sinkers. Its allowed in the game rules to recruit but it doesn't say anywhere that the delegate of that region can't suppress or ban you

Trust me, the spanish theme is the least i could do. A month of banning recruiters has been suggested but i couldn't be bothered.

[Frisbeeteria]

Feeders are the Game Controlled Regions (GCRs) where nations are born (the Pacific, The North Pacific, The East Pacific, The West Pacific, The South Pacific). Sinkers are GCRs where revived (Lazarus, Baldur, Osiris) and ejected nations (the Rejected Realms)appear.

Eh, ninja'd. Still, mine's better than Mr. 4 AM.

[Frisbeeteria]

Mmwwahahahah...'cause there will be others, other WA Delegates than yourself.

When this first one fails to achieve quorum due to virtually everyone hating recruitment spam, will you give up this crusade, or keep posting new ones?

[Drop Your Pants]

I hope he continuos personally, i want Lazarus condemned. We'd be the first GCR to have the badge. I can write the whole WFE in irish if you like and enforce Gaeilge only ads for the rest of my term.

[Heistrein]

Trust me, the spanish theme is the least i could do. A month of banning recruiters has been suggested but i couldn't be bothered.

Esta una idea muy buena. I actually find that quite fun. I would also imagine that more or less supressing non-English languages wouldn't be in NS's best interest. Having areas where people can use a language they are more comfortable with seems like a good way to create a friendly, global environment. Kinda like what the UN 'tries' to do in the real world. I mean, what?
Granted, I haven't actually seen any rules on the use of non-English on NS, I'm sure Spanish use isn't illegal.
Pues, suerte! (also, pardon my French. I'm a bit rusty )

[Nuevo Blluedevil]

Mmwwahahahah...'cause there will be others, other WA Delegates than yourself.

When this first one fails to achieve quorum due to virtually everyone hating recruitment spam, will you give up this crusade, or keep posting new ones?

If everyone hates recruitment spam, then why don't they move to a founding region? It is that simple. Yes even this problem you described is an easy remedy to fix! No more complaining from the complainers. Gosh I just solved NationStates biggest complaint with one fell swoop.

[Crushing Our Enemies]

I hope he continuos personally, i want Lazarus condemned. We'd be the first GCR to have the badge. I can write the whole WFE in irish if you like and enforce Gaeilge only ads for the rest of my term.

I would support a condemnation on those grounds.

[Skyrim Diplomacy]

DYP is a great Delegate, and many feeder/sinker regions have adspam rules that they apply to recruiters. Delegates are under no binding moral contract to allow recruiters to leave message on their RMBs. Those kind of antics are common (my personal favorite was the chicken joke week), and are no reason for a condemnation whatsoever.

However, if you really wish to proceed with this proposal, I would suggest target DYP and not Lazarus as a whole. Because you are basically condemning DYP but calling it condemn Laz. Either way, I will not support it and believe it is a bad idea.

[Nuevo Blluedevil]

I am afraid to say DYP is just a cog in the wheel. The mentality that game regions have toward recruiters is not limited to the WA Delegate but is the infection of the entire region. It is better to make an example out of the game region's joint mentality toward this issue. This is better rather than personally target one poor bastard that just so happened to have gotten himself caught in the cross fire. The unfair treatment towards recruiters need to be made an example out of and raise the concern about the poor treatment that recruiters receive on a public region. This is just a classic case of the game created public regions wishing that they were like the founder private regions who are more free to control their private business.

[The Republic of Lanos]

To be honest, I don't like RMB spam/overly long recruitment posts. If the Delegate/region wants to forbid types of messages, let them but don't condemn them. What did they do, suppress the offending message?

[Warzone Codger]

I support DYP in supporting this condemnation.