[PASSED] Medical Provisions in Blockades

[Moronist Decisions]

And, if I know the members well, I'd be more worried about the WHA being ineffectual than gnomes being dead. It's way more effective than a written guarantee :-P

[Cowardly Pacifists]

And, if I know the members well, I'd be more worried about the WHA being ineffectual than gnomes being dead.

Gnomes have feelings too you know. Tickle them; do they not laugh? Prick them; do they not bleed? Send them into a war zone to give medical supplies to children with stuffy noses and old people with sciatica pain; will they not seek revenge?

[Gnomewatchers]

And, if I know the members well, I'd be more worried about the WHA being ineffectual than gnomes being dead.

Gnomes have feelings too you know. Tickle them; do they not laugh? Prick them; do they not bleed? Send them into a war zone to give medical supplies to children with stuffy noses and old people with sciatica pain; will they not seek revenge?

Damn straight.

[Damanucus]

Gnomes have feelings too you know. Tickle them; do they not laugh? Prick them; do they not bleed? Send them into a war zone to give medical supplies to children with stuffy noses and old people with sciatica pain; will they not seek revenge?

Damn straight.

Should've figured they would come in at some point. Have I gone against any rules, dear Gnomewatchers?

Stephanie Orman
Representative, Nomadic Peoples of Damanucus

[Gnomewatchers]

Should've figured they would come in at some point. Have I gone against any rules, dear Gnomewatchers?

We just watches. We doesn't act.

[Damanucus]

As a condition of letting a medical supply transport through the Blockade, Blockading Nations may demand Written Assurance from the party operating the transport that any medical cargo passing through will be given directly to civilians, and will not be used to supplement or supply the war effort in any way. If a Blockading Nation has evidence that such assurances were not kept, they may prohibit the offending party from crossing the blockade in the future no matter what cargo the offending party is then conveying.

It could work, but a part of me is still a little unsure. Some nations will be unwilling to present written assurance, seeing it as time-consuming, and that is a risk that they take upon themselves, but there will be some nations who will openly lie of their assurance. It will most definitely get out that these nations are misusing the provisions, but I prefer to prevent than cure, as I'm sure most nations would too.

I do feel this is an issue that may never be resolved to everyone's complete satisfaction. I haven't made any edits to the resolution, so it may be submitted as is pretty soon. (I'll probably give it a week; if nothing, I'll submit the proposal.)

Stephanie Orman
Representative, Nomadic Peoples of Damanucus

[Parti Ouvrier]

NOTE: A legality ruling for the Mark V draft (below) has been requested.

Medical Provisions in Blockades
Category: Free Trade
Strength: Significant

[box]The General Assembly,

UNDERSTANDING that, in the course of international politics and trade, nations may at times place blockades on other nations,

We understand that this sort of protectionism inevitably leads to war. Thankfully this isn't a protectionist proposal.

We will abstain.

CJ

[Cowardly Pacifists]

*snip*

It could work, but a part of me is still a little unsure.

It was just an attempt at a compromise; one that was sure to give everyone something to dislike. I figure you're gonna get flack out of some nations no matter what you do.

Best of luck. This proposal has our support when it comes up for a vote - feeble as that support may be.

[Damanucus]

This proposal has our support when it comes up for a vote - feeble as that support may be.

Support is support, regardless how feeble it may seem.

Stephanie Orman
Representative, Nomadic Peoples of Damanucus

[Opaloka]

This really needs to be submitted. We note that some of those responsable for the repeal are already off trying to burn other legislation.

The Council-Republic would urge that replacement legislation be in a ready to submit state before repeals are moved.

[Damanucus]

This really needs to be submitted. We note that some of those responsable for the repeal are already off trying to burn other legislation.

The Council-Republic would urge that replacement legislation be in a ready to submit state before repeals are moved.

OOC: Fully aware. I am holding off, however, until the mods have ruled on legality, as per my own request to them. Plus Dukopolious hasn't responded to my last comment, so as yet, I am also a little unsure as to whether his intended edit will make the final submission.

[Mousebumples]

This really needs to be submitted. We note that some of those responsable for the repeal are already off trying to burn other legislation.

The Council-Republic would urge that replacement legislation be in a ready to submit state before repeals are moved.

Replacements are not required for ANY repeals. In fact, I would strongly argue that some resolutions, if repealed, SHOULD NOT be replaced.

Further, just because replacement legislation is in a submission state doesn't mean that it's (A) going to pass or (B) will not be repealed itself at some point. I applaud the author for taking their time to ensure that a quality replacement is drafted before submission.

As many of us around here are fond of saying, writing a proposal is a marathon - not a sprint.

[Dukopolious]

...[snipped so as not to repeat myself]...

Okay, I did consider it last night, and hopefully this statement is at least as true to the intentions you gave in your version. Feel free to say if I've diluted/ambiguated anything here:

CHARGES the World Health Authority and relevant national health authorities with the following duties:

1. Assuring the safe transportation of medical supplies and professional medical personnel to and within blockaded nations; and
2. Dispensing medical supplies and professional medical personnel among the populace on a per-needs basis, ensuring that medical supplies are used for non-military, medical purposes, and professional medical personnel shipped under these conditions are not assigned to military positions.

(The part in green is a statement which I may question its presence in the clause. Should it be there, or no?) I would appreciate your opinions on the choice of wording before I replace it with the aforementioned clauses.

Stephanie Orman
Representative, Nomadic Peoples of Damanucus

The wording sounds fine, in fact with the green it sounds better. What I'm saying, is that the blockaded nation must have some obligations. Because right now, yes the WHA will do their job and spread the resources, but there's nothing to stop a big man with a chain gun from following the Gnomes around, and recollecting anything he wants seconds after. (Please, do not quote me on that.)

I'd like the resolution to mandate that the government and military of the blockaded nation to not interfere with the WHA's duties, and not confiscate or utilize the medical supplies, staff or vessels provided by the WHA.

[United Celts]

Grainne Mac Carthaigh, the Holy Empire of United Celts' Deputy Minister for Foreign Affairs, makes her way to the floor. "Blockades imposed by the Holy Empire's Royal Navy have often averted full-scale war, so my government is alarmed that this proposal would render naval blockades ineffective. With all due respect to the ambassadors from Damanucus and Connopolis, we oppose this proposal."

[Damanucus]

Okay, I did consider it last night, and hopefully this statement is at least as true to the intentions you gave in your version. Feel free to say if I've diluted/ambiguated anything here:



(The part in green is a statement which I may question its presence in the clause. Should it be there, or no?) I would appreciate your opinions on the choice of wording before I replace it with the aforementioned clauses.

Stephanie Orman
Representative, Nomadic Peoples of Damanucus

The wording sounds fine, in fact with the green it sounds better. What I'm saying, is that the blockaded nation must have some obligations. Because right now, yes the WHA will do their job and spread the resources, but there's nothing to stop a big man with a chain gun from following the Gnomes around, and recollecting anything he wants seconds after. (Please, do not quote me on that.)

I'd like the resolution to mandate that the government and military of the blockaded nation to not interfere with the WHA's duties, and not confiscate or utilize the medical supplies, staff or vessels provided by the WHA.

Which should also abate Mahaj's concern. Okay, let's see...

MANDATES that governments of blockaded nations do not interfere with dispensation for medical supplies and professional medical personnel within their borders except on occasions of assisting in the dispensation.

So the idea of this clause will allow governments to help out with the dispensation, but they cannot, say, point a gun at a gnome and say, "You shall not pass!" Does that sound good for everyone?

Stephanie Orman
Representative, Nomadic Peoples of Damanucus

[Dukopolious]

The wording sounds fine, in fact with the green it sounds better. What I'm saying, is that the blockaded nation must have some obligations. Because right now, yes the WHA will do their job and spread the resources, but there's nothing to stop a big man with a chain gun from following the Gnomes around, and recollecting anything he wants seconds after. (Please, do not quote me on that.)

I'd like the resolution to mandate that the government and military of the blockaded nation to not interfere with the WHA's duties, and not confiscate or utilize the medical supplies, staff or vessels provided by the WHA.

Which should also abate Mahaj's concern. Okay, let's see...

MANDATES that governments of blockaded nations do not interfere with dispensation for medical supplies and professional medical personnel within their borders except on occasions of assisting in the dispensation.

So the idea of this clause will allow governments to help out with the dispensation, but they cannot, say, point a gun at a gnome and say, "You shall not pass!" Does that sound good for everyone?

Stephanie Orman
Representative, Nomadic Peoples of Damanucus

Well, one issue "Helping with dispensation" might mean "Give me the supplies I'll dispense them..... to my military"

[Damanucus]

Well, one issue "Helping with dispensation" might mean "Give me the supplies I'll dispense them..... to my military"

Hmmm...that will always be a sketchy one. I could remove the exception, but then it removes some degree of power from a government willing to assist. But, as you stated, leaving it in there does allow some militaristic governments to subversively redirect provisions to the military. I do have to ask myself which is the lesser of two evils for this, and adjust accordingly.

Stephanie Orman
Representative, Nomadic Peoples of Damanucus

[Dukopolious]

If we could simply know the outcome, i'd say, leave it if it passes, fix it if it doesn't

[Moronist Decisions]

What about "assist in dispensation to the civilian population, under the supervision of the WHA"?

[Damanucus]

What about "assist in dispensation to the civilian population, under the supervision of the WHA"?

That could work.

I'll add all of these ideas into the Mark VI draft. (OOC: Then inform the mods of the new draft. I'm fairly certain I'll end up getting put on their "do not reply to" list, if the have one. )

Stephanie Orman
Representative, Nomadic Peoples of Damanucus

[Dukopolious]

What about "assist in dispensation to the civilian population, under the supervision of the WHA"?

That doesn't allow the WHA to coordinate dispensation, it just ensured they must supervise. The government could strap them to a pole, and make them watch as the military acquired them.

[Moronist Decisions]

What about "assist in dispensation to the civilian population, under the supervision of the WHA"?

That doesn't allow the WHA to coordinate dispensation, it just ensured they must supervise. The government could strap them to a pole, and make them watch as the military acquired them.

Hmm, I thought that was clear enough. I'd say then ... "under the direction of the WHA"? Plus, it's clear in our opinion from the word "assist in dispensation" that they are not coordinating this activity.

[Damanucus]

That doesn't allow the WHA to coordinate dispensation, it just ensured they must supervise. The government could strap them to a pole, and make them watch as the military acquired them.

Hmm, I thought that was clear enough. I'd say then ... "under the direction of the WHA"? Plus, it's clear in our opinion from the word "assist in dispensation" that they are not coordinating this activity.

"Direction and supervision" is a better choice of words, as it covers both cases. The reason is twofold:

1. It allows the WHA and national health authorities to direct the entire operation.
2. It prevents government officials not allied with any health authorities from trying to "smuggle" provisions away from where they are required.

Taking that into consideration, that clause would become:

MANDATES that governments of blockaded nations do not interfere with dispensation for medical supplies and professional medical personnel within their borders, unless assisting in the dispensation under the supervision and direction of the World Health Authority and national health authorities.

That should work for everyone, hopefully.

Stephanie Orman
Representative, Nomadic Peoples of Damanucus

[Ardchoille]

I'll add all of these ideas into the Mark VI draft. (OOC: Then inform the mods of the new draft. I'm fairly certain I'll end up getting put on their "do not reply to" list, if the have one. )

Stephanie Orman
Representative, Nomadic Peoples of Damanucus

So noted.

*updates list*

[Damanucus]

So noted.

*updates list*

OOC: Blast!