[PASSED] Commend Unibot II

[Mahaj]

What is the point of the whole "don't commend yourself" rule when proxies are so easily employed to do it for us?

Without having seen the original draft (so I don't know what Unibot objected to,) I would say there are some situations where it makes sense to at least take into account the opinion of the person you wish to commend. An example could be if Mahaj had put in something that Unibot didn't feel was worthy of commendation, or thought some of the details were inaccurate.

Basically there's a difference between "I'm going to write a commendation about <x>....I'd better get their opinion on it" and <x> saying "hey, go write a commendation about me."

Indeed, that was basically what it was, thank you for your comment.

[Unibot II]

What is the point of the whole "don't commend yourself" rule when proxies are so easily employed to do it for us?

Without having seen the original draft (so I don't know what Unibot objected to,) I would say there are some situations where it makes sense to at least take into account the opinion of the person you wish to commend. An example could be if Mahaj had put in something that Unibot didn't feel was worthy of commendation, or thought some of the details were inaccurate.

Basically there's a difference between "I'm going to write a commendation about <x>....I'd better get their opinion on it" and <x> saying "hey, go write a commendation about me."

In this case, Mahaj had misrepresented what I had done in a few clauses.

[A mean old man]

Hmm. I wonder though if we really want to commend a player with a prior reputation of getting his nations deleted by the mods.

I knew this was coming. First of all, its nation, singular. Secondly, that doesn't mean his accomplishments didn't occur, and it shouldn't take away from worthiness.

You should be slapped for not noticing the irony there.

[Mahaj]

I knew this was coming. First of all, its nation, singular. Secondly, that doesn't mean his accomplishments didn't occur, and it shouldn't take away from worthiness.

You should be slapped for not noticing the irony there.

I noticed

[A mean old man]

I noticed

For not addressing it, then.

[Fischistan]

What about the WA card gallery? And possibly the life expectancy index, which could be said as 'a tool that uses statistics from national overviews of any nation to calculate the life expectancy of people in that nation'.

[Mahaj]

I noticed

For not addressing it, then.

Okay.

What about the WA card gallery? And possibly the life expectancy index, which could be said as 'a tool that uses statistics from national overviews of any nation to calculate the life expectancy of people in that nation'.

Hmm... both good suggestions. I'll consider them.

[Omigodtheykilledkenny]

The Security Council,

IDENTIFYING the nation of Unibot II as the successor to the now defunct state of Unibot as well as the nation behind the puppet state of Unibotian WA Mission, as well as a variety of other puppet states, and that Unibot II is frequently referred to simply as 'Unibot',

RECOGNIZING the vast success of Unibot in both branches of the World Assembly, the General Assembly and the Security Council, including authoring 8 GA resolutions with 1 coauthored and authoring 13 SC resolutions with 4 coauthored,

APPLAUDING Unibot for writing resolutions to address concerns such as care of the mentally ill, nautical pilotage, forced disappearances, the protection of outer space, and others,

RECOGNIZING Unibot as one of the pioneers of the Security Council, including authoring a commendation of Starblaydia, a Commendation for The Cat Tribe, a condemnation for Greater Tezridan, a condemnation for Flag Thief, and a Liberation for Greece,

NOTING that Unibot was one of the main proponents of Liberations as a method of conflict resolution for defenders and not simply a tool for the worst of the worst situations such as Belgium, and consequently Unibot has helped restore native communities via a Liberation six times,

ACKNOWLEDGING Unibot as one of the premier defenders of this modern era in NationStates, in terms of skill, leadership, and strategy,

RECOGNIZING Unibot as the creator of the United Defenders League, a defense organization based on a concept of individual nations as opposed to regions comprising the organization, and an organization which has quickly became one of the premier defending organizations in NationStates,

REALIZING Unibot is the founder of Eastern Islands of Dharma, a region known for being a popular region for numerous WA authors, such as Quelesh, Glen-Rhodes, Quadrimmina, Ossitania, Darenjo, Sanctaria, Bergnovinaia, and Connopolis,


APPLAUDING the many scholarly works eminating from Unibot, including an analysis of NationStates generations, advice to budding nation creators regarding achieving a certain World Census category, and a list of common prayers to the almighty god of our humble universe, violet,

BELIEVING that with all the accomplishments of Unibot, a commendation is long overdue,

Hereby, with all the accomplishments of Unibot being considered, Commends Unibot II.

If Uni really were this boring, I might be inclined to go along with this text; I mean, sure, this would be fine if he was applying for a top position in a region or alliance - it is an attractive resume - but such a tedious descriptor as this doesn't even come close to doing justice to Uni's rather eccentric, er, charms.

[Mahaj]

If Uni really were this boring, I might be inclined to go along with this text; I mean, sure, this would be fine if he was applying for a top position in a region or alliance - it is an attractive resume - but such a tedious descriptor as this doesn't even come close to doing justice to Uni's rather eccentric, er, charms.

I know.

I need to work on that part tomorrow.

[Ballotonia]

First of all: in favor of a commend.

Now let's work on the nitty-gritty details

REALIZING Unibot is the founder of Eastern Islands of Dharma, a region known for being a popular region for numerous WA authors, such as Quelesh, Glen-Rhodes, Quadrimmina, Ossitania, Darenjo, Sanctaria, Bergnovinaia, and Connopolis,

I suggest against namedropping that many nations. Also, you fail to mention why this is an accomplishment. So those nations reside there. So what? Is Unibot II fostering an environment for nations to become successful at contributing to the WA? Actively helping them? Or did Unibot II merely found the region and happen to have a bunch of WA authors as friends? The latter wouldn't be an accomplishment worthy of a commendation, but the text as written doesn't distinguish which is which.

Ballotonia

[Swift Sure]

What of his personal conduct?

[Hirota]

What about the WA card gallery?

As Uni observed, the idea was not originally his. I'm not convinced being responsible for a rehash is especially worthy of commendation.

[Mahaj]

What of his personal conduct?

What about it? He behaves decently enough that it shouldn't be a reason for no commendation.

[Saphirasia]

What of his personal conduct?

What about it? He behaves decently enough that it shouldn't be a reason for no commendation.

That may be, but does he act in such a way that it deserves a commendation?
You can act in a way that wouldn't bar you from a commendation, but you can also not act in such a way that should earn you a commendation. There's a difference.
And you're skirting the question.

[Connopolis]

What about it? He behaves decently enough that it shouldn't be a reason for no commendation.

That may be, but does he act in such a way that it deserves a commendation?
You can act in a way that wouldn't bar you from a commendation, but you can also not act in such a way that should earn you a commendation. There's a difference.
And you're skirting the question.

OOC: Commendations and Condemnations are IC - which is why we have Rule 4. Basing it off of his OOC behavior, regardless of its quality, is fundamentally irrelevant.

[Mahaj]

What about it? He behaves decently enough that it shouldn't be a reason for no commendation.

That may be, but does he act in such a way that it deserves a commendation?
You can act in a way that wouldn't bar you from a commendation, but you can also not act in such a way that should earn you a commendation. There's a difference.
And you're skirting the question.

You don't commend somebody just for behavior. You commend for achievements.

IMO Uni behaves fine. Others will disagree. As expected.

[Connopolis]

You don't commend somebody just for behavior. You commend for achievements.

Well, I would argue that. You commend someone for their contributions. Albeit, if their achievements warrant a commendation on the premise that they do contribute positively (or negatively, should it be a condemnation), then that's somewhat valid.

Yours with red pens,

[Mahaj]

You don't commend somebody just for behavior. You commend for achievements.

Well, I would argue that. You commend someone for their contributions. Albeit, if their achievements warrant a commendation on the premise that they do contribute positively (or negatively, should it be a condemnation), then that's somewhat valid.

Yours with red pens,

Well... yeah. Behavior can be a factor, but shouldn't be an end all be all.

[Connopolis]

Well, I would argue that. You commend someone for their contributions. Albeit, if their achievements warrant a commendation on the premise that they do contribute positively (or negatively, should it be a condemnation), then that's somewhat valid.

Yours with red pens,

Well... yeah. Behavior can be a factor, but shouldn't be an end all be all.

Sorry, I didn't quote that correctly. Behavior shouldn't be a major factor at all; what my initial point was trying to get at was that commendations shouldn't contain solely achievements - they should explain how their achievements manifest into contributions.

Yours truly,

[Mahaj]

Well... yeah. Behavior can be a factor, but shouldn't be an end all be all.

Sorry, I didn't quote that correctly. Behavior shouldn't be a major factor at all; what my initial point was trying to get at was that commendations shouldn't contain solely achievements - they should explain how their achievements manifest into contributions.

Yours truly,

Well yeah. I hope this proposal does that, but you can make suggestions, obviously.

[The Jedi]

The Security Council,

IDENTIFYING the nation of Unibot II as the successor to the now defunct state of Unibot as well as the nation behind the puppet state of Unibotian WA Mission, as well as a variety of other puppet states, and that Unibot II is frequently referred to simply as 'Unibot',

Annoyingly wordy, though I understand what you are trying to get across.

RECOGNIZING the vast success of Unibot in both branches of the World Assembly, the General Assembly and the Security Council, including authoring 8 GA resolutions with 1 coauthored and authoring 13 SC resolutions with 4 coauthored,

Good. This is the best part, and worthy of commendation.

APPLAUDING Unibot for writing resolutions to address concerns such as care of the mentally ill, nautical pilotage, forced disappearances, the protection of outer space, and others,

RECOGNIZING Unibot as one of the pioneers of the Security Council, including authoring a commendation of Starblaydia, a Commendation for The Cat Tribe, a condemnation for Greater Tezridan, a condemnation for Flag Thief, and a Liberation for Greece,

Okay, now it's getting repetitive. Not every resolution has to have 50 clauses. Some can be combined.

NOTING that Unibot was one of the main proponents of Liberations as a method of conflict resolution for defenders and not simply a tool for the worst of the worst situations such as Belgium, and consequently Unibot has helped restore native communities via a Liberation six times,

The difference between capital-L Liberations and lowercase-l liberations is subtle. Is it incorrect to refer to them as Liberation resolutions? (As six liberations is a small number, and it is easily confused.)

ACKNOWLEDGING Unibot as one of the premier defenders of this modern era in NationStates, in terms of skill, leadership, and strategy,

Leadership? Really? He is arrogant and does not work well with others unless they worship him. (See also: his term in charge of the FRA.)

RECOGNIZING Unibot as the creator of the United Defenders League, a defense organization based on a concept of individual nations as opposed to regions comprising the organization, and an organization which has quickly became one of the premier defending organizations in NationStates,

Here is the one place where he has had success in leadership. No real complaints about this section.

REALIZING Unibot is the founder of Eastern Islands of Dharma, a region known for being a popular region for numerous WA authors, such as Quelesh, Glen-Rhodes, Quadrimmina, Ossitania, Darenjo, Sanctaria, Bergnovinaia, and Connopolis,

That would be more impressive if he had cultivated talent within the region, rather than recruiting it from other UCRs.

APPLAUDING the many scholarly works emanating from Unibot, including an analysis of NationStates generations, advice to budding nation creators regarding achieving a certain World Census category, and a list of common prayers to the almighty god of our humble universe, violet,

Not unique or commendable on its own, but certainly is a positive addition to the list.

BELIEVING that with all the accomplishments of Unibot, a commendation is long overdue,

He probably would have one already, if his cronies would author one without superlative praise, sticking to the facts.

Hereby, with all the accomplishments of Unibot being considered, Commends Unibot II.

Short and to the point. Well done.

[Belschaft]

He probably would have one already, if his cronies would author one without superlative praise, sticking to the facts.

We prefer the term minions

[Tim-Opolis]

I support this. Uniboss needs something to boost his ego even more

[Mallorea and Riva]

He probably would have one already, if his cronies would author one without superlative praise, sticking to the facts.

We prefer the term minions

Gremlins is also acceptable.

[Eist]

Communication? Are we talking about the same Uni? How's his communication with TITO?

Sometimes I think he's *too* nice with TITO . He seriously is diplomatic with them.

I'm not against commending Unibot – he sure is keen on this game (I believe I was cautiously for the last failed proposal to commend Unibot), but I think comments like the one above prove that Mahaj should not be authoring the proposal. Firstly, Mahaj is not privy to such meetings with TITO – and therefore everything that Mahaj ‘knows’ is either entirely speculation, or is anecdotal information obtained second-hand through Unibot, but more worryingly, this comment is symptomatic of the fact that Mahaj’s judgment as to the commendation worthiness of Unibot is ruinously clouded due to their close and unique relationship in UDL.