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Cinistra wrote:I support this proposal for once . There is really no need for hunting, fisheries or meat production by raising livestock at all! There are huge possibilities in genetic engineering. As you probably know medicines, like insulin, is produced by recombinant DNA technology in bacterias. We could transfer genes for production of the wanted proteins into bacterias. These are grown in huge tanks, thus allowing meat production on an industrial scale. So, a reasonable WA proposal...for once.

Not to poke too big a hole in this argument, but there is a gulf of difference between expressing recombinant insulin and growing a steak protein-by-protein in bacteria. Also, there are nations of a certain technology who are going to be unable to commit to a program of genetic engineering on such a scale.

[Lord] Ambassador Darvek Tyvok
Great Chiefdom of Krioval

Serrland has a tremendous problem with a particularly nasty poisonous snake, and have taken efforts to eradicate said species, given that scientists predict very little long term ecological impact. A whole market has grown around the elimination of the dangers to public safety, and tens of thousands are employed due to it. This proposed act would put both economic strain on Serrland and threaten public safety, all the while costing hospitals a great deal of money treating bites.

Serrland wrote:Serrland has a tremendous problem with a particularly nasty poisonous snake, and have taken efforts to eradicate said species, given that scientists predict very little long term ecological impact. A whole market has grown around the elimination of the dangers to public safety, and tens of thousands are employed due to it. This proposed act would put both economic strain on Serrland and threaten public safety, all the while costing hospitals a great deal of money treating bites.

If you actually read the proposal, there is a clause excluding species that are a danger to national health from the protection of the act.

Nova Prutenia wrote:"Requires nations to restrict encroachments onto habitats of endangered animals, pollution levels in and around the habitats of endangered species, and hunting of endangered animals based on WA Endangered Species Committee determinations."

Yet another attack on the sovereignty of the nations of the World Assembly. Soon there will be a committee of foreigners trying to tell the people of Nova Prutenia what sort of bubble gum to chew, and how many pats of butter to put on their toast.

Unfortunately, the proposal says that the WAESC only has powers over certain species, and only under certain circumstances.

So while you may feel that it may dig into your national sovereignty a bit, there are clear bounds to the power of the WAESC.

If you actually read the proposal, there is a clause excluding species that are a danger to national health from the protection of the act.

If you are referencing the clause below, it applies to species that are a threat due to "parasitism or infectiousness," a deadly snake is neither. There is a need to expand that clause to include all species that threaten public safety.

- The WAESC may determine not to protect a species that is becoming endangered if that species is determined to be a threat to public health due to its parasitism or infectiousness (such as a bacteria, virus, or other parasite).

Despite Arkinesia having voted to retain her "greenbelts", which are kept in pristine condition by not being cared for and letting nature take her course, Arkinesia refuses to encroach upon developers' rights to develop and damage the environment, on the basis that some nations simply don't have as much space to work with as others do.

The heart may be right, but the idea simply isn't economically feasible for all member nations.

So far I'm not really liking this Act. It seems to be limiting the rights of countries citizens(even if those citizens are multi-billionaire corperate types). Isn't the point of the WA to bring governments into line, not citizens? Wouldn't it be better to try to write it to try to make governments responsible for keeping species alive?

I also don't think that the clause about paracites and viruses is strong enough. For one thing viruses can be useful, for building immunity to other disease, and creating cures to other diseases. Perhaps the removal of a species from an environment could be proposed to, and decided by, the WAESC. Or an individual countries government, if the WAESC's resolution is not strong enough(i.e. not enough nation representatives support/oppose a countries decision)

Ban Whaling . in New Zealand we look after our whales.

Helgrin wrote:So far I'm not really liking this Act. It seems to be limiting the rights of countries citizens(even if those citizens are multi-billionaire corperate types). Isn't the point of the WA to bring governments into line, not citizens? Wouldn't it be better to try to write it to try to make governments responsible for keeping species alive?

Arkinesia's ambassador rises up dramatically from his seat, clears his throat, and says...
I agree, I just didn't think to bring it up, for fear of finger-pointing and laughing about national sovereignty.

But indeed...I suppose it isn't the WA's place to control entities within nations...

I support the Act. But it impedes into nation's regulation of their wildlife. That is a weak spot.

Helgrin wrote:So far I'm not really liking this Act. It seems to be limiting the rights of countries citizens(even if those citizens are multi-billionaire corperate types). Isn't the point of the WA to bring governments into line, not citizens? Wouldn't it be better to try to write it to try to make governments responsible for keeping species alive?

The act does make governments responsible, guided by the WAESC's determinations. The WAESC also has authority to act, which is a little confusing now we look at it, but primary responsibility is laid squarely at the door of national government.

Also, speaking as an enthusiastic hunter, the limiting of the opportunities -- not, in our opinion, rights -- of individuals is a necessary part of any species preservation programme. It is, after all, individuals who kill animals, not laws.

OOC: Nowt to say, endorsed it, voted for it, it's essentially been passed.

Had a quick flick-through, the beefs seem to be minor.

This may seem to be an "old and busted kinda thing" like the kids say, but wouldn't this be bubble gum holding back the North Sea? Rogue nations can still hunt animals with impunity. And what classifies an endangered species?

Questions like this were completely invisible in the debate over this proposal, but these are probably the paramount questions.

I honestly think that the countrys on WA should vote for a National WA leader (just like a President) and that Country should help make the Descion. that country will have a National Constitution that it will followand the WA leader will have Two terms in Power.

So this is the Structure

Lord/Lady High Chancelor (Right Honrable)
Chancellors (Honrable) only three at a time
Clerk
World Assembily
National Assembily (the NA is made up of thrirty Kingdoms and 20 Grand Duchys and 10 Empires 5 Other Countrys)
General Assembily (the GA is made up of 10 Countrys that are more than 2 mounths old)
Corcus ( made up of the Newer Countrys)

NorthCoat wrote:I honestly think that the countrys on WA should vote for a National WA leader (just like a President) and that Country should help make the Descion. that country will have a National Constitution that it will followand the WA leader will have Two terms in Power.

So this is the Structure

Lord/Lady High Chancelor (Right Honrable)
Chancellors (Honrable) only three at a time
Clerk
World Assembily
National Assembily (the NA is made up of thrirty Kingdoms and 20 Grand Duchys and 10 Empires 5 Other Countrys)
General Assembily (the GA is made up of 10 Countrys that are more than 2 mounths old)
Corcus ( made up of the Newer Countrys)

I don't know what topic you thought this was, but it isn't the one you think it is.

Madam President of the World Assembly, I raise today to speak in support of this proposal.

It is widely known by many nations within this chamber, that I am firmly against any sort of environmental proposal. The reasoning behind this is because my nation is based mainly around industry and environmental proposals can upset that.

However, once reading this bill, I was surprised that this proposal does not affect any industry whatsoever. It supports the environment without the impact of industry. This bill is the 1 environmental proposal that stands firm in my view.

Many capitalist nations view this proposal as too intrusive, I say to them, this proposal is the least intrusive of all the proposals I've seen considering the author of this bill is a first timer. I support this bill and urge others to do the same.

The Theocracy of BarcoStan usrges all nations to reject this proposal.

First, all animals were placed on this earth by the sky gods to be used by man until our ascendance.

Second, A fundamental issue with conservation is the rejection of change. Do we accept that our ecosystems will always be subject to change, or do we embark on an eternal campaign to keep things exactly as they were in the tiny monent of history that humanity happens to exist.

Change is a part of nature, humans are part of nature, so all man made change is natural.

Vote no.

Danielturner wrote:Madam President of the World Assembly, I raise today to speak in support of this proposal.

It is widely known by many nations within this chamber, that I am firmly against any sort of environmental proposal. The reasoning behind this is because my nation is based mainly around industry and environmental proposals can upset that.

However, once reading this bill, I was surprised that this proposal does not affect any industry whatsoever. It supports the environment without the impact of industry. This bill is the 1 environmental proposal that stands firm in my view.

Many capitalist nations view this proposal as too intrusive, I say to them, this proposal is the least intrusive of all the proposals I've seen considering the author of this bill is a first timer. I support this bill and urge others to do the same.

You clearly didn't even look at the proposal. I cite Title III, Section 4:

4) Should a species become endangered, the WAESC is responsible for protecting the species' remaining habitat through halting business or residential encroachment into the species' habitat, and by reducing the amount of pollution in the species' habitat. The WAESC may also severely restrict the hunting of endangered species.

[emphasis added]

If you seriously are deluded enough to think it doesn't restrict business or industry, just leave the WA.

For more evidence, Title I, Section 2.

2) That in the past, industry has callously driven hundreds of animal species to extinction.

[emphasis added]

Title II, Section 1.

1) That certain nations and businesses knowingly destroy entire ecosystems and endanger species, even driving some to extinction.

[emphasis added]

Your beliefs on this proposal suggest one of two things, Danielturnerian ambassador. You are a fool, or you did not read the resolution.

The Republic of Taropania have been following a policy of systematic extermination for certain pest, dangerous, and/or disgusting species for many years. The eradication programs have been a great boost to our people's mental and physical well being and our economy (especially the agricultural sector).

There are certainly circumstances in which such drastic action as the eradication of a species may be necessary. Undoubtedly, many other nations are in this situation.

As representatives of the people of Taropania, we cannot support this resolution.

The Halseyist Faction wonders what defination of 'Endangered' the proposal intends to use?

The Halseyist Faction wrote:The Halseyist Faction wonders what defination of 'Endangered' the proposal intends to use?

According to the first listed responsibility of the WAESC, it will use whatever definitions (note the plural) that the incorruptible expert members of the committee decide upon.

There has been a slight change at the Palentine delegation. The good but unwholesome senator's desk had been removed, and replaced by a large grill and rotisery. At a side table there were cooking implements and spices, along with a very distingushed EVIL Skull wearing a chef's hat. Standing behind the grill was the good senator, wearing chef's clothes and holding a pair of bbq tongs. He was smoking a fine Yeldan Cigar(TM) as he grilled. Very delecious aromas wafted from the delgation.

"Welcome fellow delegates of the festering snakepit, to Murray and Senator Sulla's endangered species grill. Today we're fixing up some spotted owl, lovingly slathered with Murray's EVIL Grillling sauce(TM), Fine Yeldan Kollen(TM) steaks, and roastred baby seal.....MMMMM! MMMM! Just like mother used to make.", said the good but unwholesome senator.

"I think the owl could use some turning, mortal! We don't want it to burn. After all burnt eats isn't good eats." , Murray chimed in.

"Absolutely, my evil friend. My, that owl really is looking and smelling good. If anybody is interested, where can they find your grilling sauce?" asked Sulla as he turned the pieces of owl over with the tongs.

"Well, mortal. They can pick some up at any Planet Murray(TM) restaurant. Pretty soon though they should be able to pick some up at their local marketplace. You can get it in Origional, Bold, or Extra Spicy! I've been wondering, mortal, what is the best way to serve those kollen steaks?", replied Murray

"You can serve them up like regular steaks, but my favorite way to serve then is to chop them up fine, and serve then as a cheesesteak, with some grilled onions. As a matter of fact, I've got some prepared for just that. When I grill at home, my guests are always asking me, what is the best cheese, for the sandwich? Well, you can use a smoky provolone, or a pepper jack, but the absolute best is Fine Yeldan Cheddar(TM). It has a shaprness that really compliments the onions and kollen.", answered the senator.

As the cooking duo continued their preperation, some Thessadorian Catgirls entered the festering snakepit with some foam plates and napkins, which they placed on another side table on the other side of the grill.

"Well I guess we're ready to start serving. The Palentine is voting against the resolution, but out of the goodness of my heart, I'll be serving these delectable morsals, while they're still legal. So you better get them while you can." said the good but unwholesome senator as he reached for a can of cold Olde Frothingslosh(tm).

"Count me in my friend!" Nigel called to Sulla.

"Ah yes, we to are voting against this resolution, and we assure the rest of the distingushed floor that there is nothing to the rumor of bands of hunters traveling through the USoP finishing off some our lower population species in order to make the job of the WAESC easier in our nation... nothing at all!"

Nigel made his way over the Palentine BBQ

I am confidently content on this resolution happy, it is not too badly written at all and I'd like to thank the author for bringing forward such a good idea. I think it will work but if there is a better suggestion, do feel free to bring it forward!

For the record, I can confirm that the resolution Endangered Species Protection was passed 4,082 votes to 1,381, and will be in effect. Well done, honoured ambassador to BURNINATI0N.

Above the Din of the assembled delegates on the news of the passing of the resolution a loud banging noise echoed above the chattering. A cloaked figure was standing at the seat of a long time unused delegate seat banging a large staff on the hallowed floor. The assembled delegates all looked to where this man now stood and the crowd hushed. A Nurse helped the man remove his hood and he spoke loudly and clearly so all could hear.
"We the Delegation for the Nation of Venerable Libertarians congratulate and applaud the Author for the Passing of this resolution. We applaud the conservation of all species so future generations of all our peoples will be able to appreciate the majesty and diversity of our nations indigenous species and for that this bill is to be applauded."
The frail man turned to the Delegate for BURNINATI0N and addressed him directly.
"We have long wanted to return to these halls and fully intended to have the old version of this re-entered into law but Corporate commitments had to be given priority. You have done us all a service by getting this passed and may this resolution stand long and proud in the annuls of this organisations treaties. I would specifically like to thank the Nation of Gobbannium for highlighting the historic precedent to the author."
Exhausted the Lord Byron was assisted to his chair.

Venerable libertarians wrote:Above the Din of the assembled delegates on the news of the passing of the resolution a loud banging noise echoed above the chattering. A cloaked figure was standing at the seat of a long time unused delegate seat banging a large staff on the hallowed floor. The assembled delegates all looked to where this man now stood and the crowd hushed. A Nurse helped the man remove his hood and he spoke loudly and clearly so all could hear.
"We the Delegation for the Nation of Venerable Libertarians congratulate and applaud the Author for the Passing of this resolution. We applaud the conservation of all species so future generations of all our peoples will be able to appreciate the majesty and diversity of our nations indigenous species and for that this bill is to be applauded."
The frail man turned to the Delegate for BURNINATI0N and addressed him directly.
"We have long wanted to return to these halls and fully intended to have the old version of this re-entered into law but Corporate commitments had to be given priority. You have done us all a service by getting this passed and may this resolution stand long and proud in the annuls of this organisations treaties. I would specifically like to thank the Nation of Gobbannium for highlighting the historic precedent to the author."
Exhausted the Lord Byron was assisted to his chair.

The ambassador nods respectfully in thanks.

Charlotte Ryberg wrote:I am confidently content on this resolution happy, it is not too badly written at all and I'd like to thank the author for bringing forward such a good idea. I think it will work but if there is a better suggestion, do feel free to bring it forward!

Thank you.