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by Going Postal » Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:51 am
by Hippy flowergirls » Tue Nov 01, 2011 6:01 am
by Crushing Our Enemies » Tue Nov 01, 2011 9:29 am
by Neo Nibu » Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:09 pm
by Unibot II » Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:23 pm
Neo Nibu wrote:I have to say I strongly disagree with this proposal.
First off I don't think just because there hasn't been formal elections this should imply that Mikeswill is some sort of Tyrant. NS is a game, not RL, so just because one region choose to establish an elaborate democratic government and another doesn't, doesn't automatically mean one is morally better than another. Some of us prefer a more laid back region without all the politics of a regional government. It is a choice one makes when choosing what type of region to join.
Mikeswill has carried the region Nationstates, truly made it into what it is today. I can't image the region without him, his dedication to the region is both impressive and worthy of his commendation. Not to mention that the natives, supposedly suppressed, clearly support Mikeswill, you can read it on there RMB. I bet you had there been formal elections Mikeswill would be elected.
Now as for his rumored raider ties, I can't speak on first hand knowledge, but this seems to just be a way of calling on the boogy man, this resolution lacking a real reason to repeal the commendation, calls on making it a raider/defender issue, making use of the negative associations of raiders.
Of course one should point out he is Delegate, his WA nation has been Delegate of the region NS forever basically, so thus his WA nation couldn't have been involved in raiding. So calling someone a raider who has never raider is silly. Maybe he has ties through a NS friend who has raided, but if you've played this GAME, long enough like Mikeswill, I bet you'll find you have NS friends on both sides of the fence.
Vocenae wrote:Unibot, you have won NS.
General Halcones wrote:Look up to Unibot as an example.
by Southern Bellz » Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:40 pm
by Unibot II » Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:42 pm
Southern Bellz wrote:I can't believe you are making the case because someone had difficulty staying impartial in their own resolution, that undoes their whole body of work.
We are nations run by people, perfection should not be required to keep your WASC award.
Mikeswill wrote:Commendation Resolutions are Popularity Contests and have no Business in the Affairs of The World Assembly. [...]
Mikeswill wrote:These Condemn & Commend Resolutions are mostly a popularity contest and a waste of the World Assembly’s time. It is not the Business of the World Assembly to Honour Nations. The WA is not a Beauty Contest. We would ignore these Resolutions were it not for the ridiculous precedent these Resolutions present.
Mikeswill wrote:Again: These Condemn & Commend Resolutions are mostly a popularity contest and a waste of the World Assembly’s time. Although Todd McCloud has worn numerous masks as a Raider, Defender, and Delegate, it is not the Business of the World Assembly to Honour Nations. The WA is not a Beauty Contest.
Mikeswill wrote:If a Region can not defend itself, too bad! The leadership should have been responsible. These SC Resolutions tilt the balance to Elitist who determine what is a Raid and what is Liberation by manipulating the Rules. It is like playing with a brat who takes away the toys when the outcome goes against his bias. The only security I have in my Region aside from Endorsements is the RIGHT as Delegate to Password my Region against any threat. If this RIGHT is at the whim of the SC then have the game makers remove all password abilities across the board thereby removing this continued farce of hypocrisy.
Vocenae wrote:Unibot, you have won NS.
General Halcones wrote:Look up to Unibot as an example.
by Crushing Our Enemies » Tue Nov 01, 2011 1:51 pm
by Southern Bellz » Tue Nov 01, 2011 2:19 pm
by The Jedi » Tue Nov 01, 2011 2:38 pm
by Unibot II » Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:09 pm
Southern Bellz wrote:His last quote is 100% correct. You may not agree with it, because you built your entire NS word view on not agreeing with it. Regional security is the role of the regional government. If they fail to do so, the fault lies with the government. I took my blame for failing to protect TSP, but I also did what I had to do to get my region back. At no point did I complain that what happened to TSP was not fair, because it was fair. Did it suck? Yes, but it doesn't change that fact that at that point Sedge played the game better than I did.
Vocenae wrote:Unibot, you have won NS.
General Halcones wrote:Look up to Unibot as an example.
by A mean old man » Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:43 pm
The Jedi wrote:While I can appreciate the irony in commending a nation that has been hostile to the SC, that is no reason for it not to happen. If acting hypocritical and self-centered is the charge, I defy any one of you to claim you are not guilty of the same crime. If I need to, I will find examples.
As for the first clauses, I'm not sure when it became news that Mike was Highlander. It's not exactly been a secret. Yes, Highlander has been a propaganda machine. Haven't we all, at one point in time. (The answer to that question is "yes".)In fact, it seems like the only point of this resolution is to make sure everybody knows that fact. Well done - now they know. Can we move on?
The WA has always been a giant [CENSORED], and the SC is no exception. That doesn't mean I would oppose a commendation if it came my way, and neither would most of you. NewTexas is another story.
But do I think we should pass this repeal? No, I don't. There is still plenty of reason to commend Mikeswill, and the original commendation speaks to that.
by Warzone Codger » Tue Nov 01, 2011 3:59 pm
by A mean old man » Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:04 pm
Warzone Codger wrote:I am a great believer in Gameplay-Multiple Personalities (We really need a catchy standard name for that).
So you've outed Mikeswill as Highlander1. Is there any connection those two personalities are connected at all, rather than the OOC player playing two characters that have no interaction at all?
I have mellowed since and could accept Sedge=Dev or in R4 speak "Dev is a puppet state of Sedge". Is there anything here that shows this is the case here.
by Neo Nibu » Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:25 pm
by Mikeswill » Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:26 pm
Southern Bellz wrote:So now if you don't agree with the intervention the WASC does, you don't deserve credit for what you have done? To an extent, I agree with everything Mikeswill has said in all of the quotes. The WASC C&C are a popularity contest. The WASC does have the power to violate regional sovereignty.
His last quote is 100% correct. You may not agree with it, because you built your entire NS word view on not agreeing with it. Regional security is the role of the regional government. If they fail to do so, the fault lies with the government. I took my blame for failing to protect TSP, but I also did what I had to do to get my region back. At no point did I complain that what happened to TSP was not fair, because it was fair. Did it suck? Yes, but it doesn't change that fact that at that point Sedge played the game better than I did.
All of the people you listed aren't near the level of Mikeswill, in my eyes. I think more than anything it is impressive to be a successful renegade in this game, it's what makes this game interesting. If you can't see what he is done, it is simply because you choose to be blind. He has built a very unique, successful, neutral region. On top of it, if he is Highlander 1, he has maintained another very interesting region with IDF. That is his legacy, and by taking this away you are pretty much proving that people can not be commended without being a popular figure, and is good at fitting in a box.
by Mikeswill » Tue Nov 01, 2011 4:44 pm
A mean old man wrote:Further addressing the idea of Mikeswill being commendable for playing "smart:" honestly, do you really believe that someone who claims to be in league with the people who destroy regions just like his own in order to avoid having his own demolished is deserving of a commendation? Further, is he deserving of a commendation by a body that tends to condemn those who destroy regions and commend those who preserve them? Mikeswill rejoices when regions just like the one he owns are torn down - karma hasn't come back to get him yet in-game, but this ironic disposition should not be ignored by the WASC.
That's not an anti-invader argument - more of an appeal to an average person's sense of justice.
by The Highlander 1 » Tue Nov 01, 2011 5:19 pm
by Nitro Blast » Tue Nov 01, 2011 8:55 pm
BELIEVING that the extensive length of time that Mikeswill has spent as delegate of the region called "Nationstates" is due in part to the fact that the delegate of the region has never been democratically elected, is thanks to the key role which defenders played in preventing the invasion of the region on September 10, 2010, and is partly due to Mikeswill's long-held invader ties,
by Weed » Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:20 pm
Good enough for me. That makes him either opposed to his own commendation or someone who recognizes honoring himself alone as the business of the World Assembly. If he doesn't want the commendation he shouldn't be forced to have it. If he's so conceited as to the latter he also shouldn't have it.Unibot II wrote:Mikeswill wrote:Commendation Resolutions are Popularity Contests and have no Business in the Affairs of The World Assembly. [...]Mikeswill wrote:These Condemn & Commend Resolutions are mostly a popularity contest and a waste of the World Assembly’s time. It is not the Business of the World Assembly to Honour Nations. The WA is not a Beauty Contest. We would ignore these Resolutions were it not for the ridiculous precedent these Resolutions present.Mikeswill wrote:Again: These Condemn & Commend Resolutions are mostly a popularity contest and a waste of the World Assembly’s time. Although Todd McCloud has worn numerous masks as a Raider, Defender, and Delegate, it is not the Business of the World Assembly to Honour Nations. The WA is not a Beauty Contest.
by Naginii » Wed Nov 02, 2011 6:20 pm
by Wordy » Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:43 pm
Naginii wrote:Mike is neither raider nor defender. As Highlander, he slips into a voice he can use to help protect his region from raiders by making connections of understanding with them -- not alliance with them. Does he oppose WASC? Yep, so do many. That doesn't invalidate his good works, it merely makes him a solid NS player. gIn 2010 when his region was invaded, DEN operatives let those who attacked his region know very clearly they'd crossed a line -- crashing NationStates isn't done due to the respect he's earned through legitimate and honorable play and stewardship of his region. Anyone who can hold the DG chair that long without founder or password powers has our respect, and it was for that reason alone I figured the WASC supported the original proposal.
RiderSyl wrote:
The ends justifies the meanies.
by Mikeswill » Wed Nov 02, 2011 10:10 pm
Wordy wrote:On many occasions Mikeswill has passworded the region when he felt it was under threat.
by Wordy » Wed Nov 02, 2011 10:30 pm
Naginii wrote: Anyone who can hold the DG chair that long without founder or password powers has our respect, and it was for that reason alone I figured the WASC supported the original proposal.
RiderSyl wrote:
The ends justifies the meanies.
by Punk Reloaded » Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:16 am
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