PASSED: Biological Weapons Conference

[Krioval]

Ambassador,I will not support this because if we have no biological weapons,how are we supposed to fire back to a nation that launched a biological weapon,I would say remove the most deadly,but it is too late for that now.

Your Excellency, the Great Chiefdom has weapons that can vaporize entire planets. Even in those nations not yet possessing such power, conventional warfare has worked for millennia, and one should never underestimate the power of international alliances. Krioval might very well retaliate against a nation simply for using biological weapons even in the absence of such an alliance. We don't use biological weapons, and no individual or national government has even been able to prove their necessity.

[Lord] Ambassador Darvek Tyvok
Great Chiefdom of Krioval

[Rhinoplastiasts]

This is an argument made by wealthy and powerful nations to insure that weaker, poorer nations have no effective deterent against them. Biological weapons present the weak with a relatively low cost, low tech, easy to deliver means of defending themselves. Since the rich and powerful can build all the conventional and nuclear weapons they what, they have no need of biological weapons, so of course they are going to want to eliminate a weapon which might give them pause before committing an act of aggression.

A man who is killed by a germ is no more or less dead than one killed by a bomb.

[Bergnovinaia]

You're trying to get this to quorum, or is the submission a test-run?

Either. We'll see what happens.

[Bergnovinaia]

This is an argument made by wealthy and powerful nations to insure that weaker, poorer nations have no effective deterent against them. Biological weapons present the weak with a relatively low cost, low tech, easy to deliver means of defending themselves. Since the rich and powerful can build all the conventional and nuclear weapons they what, they have no need of biological weapons, so of course they are going to want to eliminate a weapon which might give them pause before committing an act of aggression.

A man who is killed by a germ is no more or less dead than one killed by a bomb.

Often times the harnessment of such host viruses into a bomb costs more in the long run.

[The Sentenial Empire]

I do not agree with this proposal...It would encourage the developement of other WMDs (Weapons of Mass Destruction) and further progression of said weapons. Also without a specified disposal plan these weapons could fall into the hands of a terrorism group or small country that ought not to have them. If this is passed nuclear weapons, capable of more damage both to infrastructure and human life, would become more prominant to countries seeking to be infulential through use of force. The last thing we need is more WMDs we The Fedaration of the Sentenial Empire as a developing nation do not endorse this proposal and will do all possible to fight it down.
With all due respect.
The Ambrose of the Sentenial Empire

[Bergnovinaia]

I do not agree with this proposal...It would encourage the developement of other WMDs (Weapons of Mass Destruction) and further progression of said weapons. Also without a specified disposal plan these weapons could fall into the hands of a terrorism group or small country that ought not to have them. If this is passed nuclear weapons, capable of more damage both to infrastructure and human life, would become more prominant to countries seeking to be infulential through use of force. The last thing we need is more WMDs we The Fedaration of the Sentenial Empire as a developing nation do not endorse this proposal and will do all possible to fight it down.
With all due respect.
The Ambrose of the Sentenial Empire

Well than...

1) You're not a delegate thus you cannot endorse my proposal anyway.
2) We have a nuclear arms possesion act so instead of complaining to me about having nukes you should try to get this repeald (which won't happen).
3) There is a clause that says that nations must safely disarm these missles and must not help any non-member nation obtain these weapons.
4) Viruses are contageous why nuclear fallout is not. Both cause death but bio-weapons cause more.
5) You've been around for 2 days so I don't think you have a clue what just came out of your mouth sir/madam.

[Krioval]

This is an argument made by wealthy and powerful nations to insure that weaker, poorer nations have no effective deterent against them. Biological weapons present the weak with a relatively low cost, low tech, easy to deliver means of defending themselves. Since the rich and powerful can build all the conventional and nuclear weapons they what, they have no need of biological weapons, so of course they are going to want to eliminate a weapon which might give them pause before committing an act of aggression.

A man who is killed by a germ is no more or less dead than one killed by a bomb.

If Your Excellency will forgive the bombast, should the Great Chiefdom be subject to a biological attack, and it it were within the Great Chiefdom's ability, the aggressor would be destroyed utterly and completely. Such an attack would likely foment a dangerous mix of fear and jingoism, and Krioval would not be able to guarantee the safety of the aggressor nation's civilians. That aside, the Great Chiefdom, being one of those "wealthy and powerful nations", has a hefty biomedical research budget. Thus, a biological attack against the Great Chiefdom may likely come to nothing, or would at least be containable, while attacks against "weaker, poorer nations" would have a greater possibility for real damage.

As it tends to be, smaller, less economically developed nations are less able to fight wars against larger nations. The antidote to this is measured population growth, a sensible defense program, and strong policies in economic development and education. Such things made Krioval strong; biological weapons were never used by the Great Chiefdom.

And bio-weapons as low-tech? Goodness, we're certainly past the age of tossing plague corpses over castle walls with catapults, I should say!

[Lord] Ambassador Darvek Tyvok
Great Chiefdom of Krioval

[Krioval]

5) You've been around for 2 days so I don't think you have a clue what just came out of your mouth sir/madam.

Your Excellency, I believe that this outburst is not the most conducive to further debate. I implore Your Excellency to level critiques based on arguments, rather than the length of time that a nation has been working in the World Assembly.

[Lord] Ambassador Darvek Tyvok
Great Chiefdom of Krioval

[Bergnovinaia]

5) You've been around for 2 days so I don't think you have a clue what just came out of your mouth sir/madam.

Your Excellency, I believe that this outburst is not the most conducive to further debate. I implore Your Excellency to level critiques based on arguments, rather than the length of time that a nation has been working in the World Assembly.

[Lord] Ambassador Darvek Tyvok
Great Chiefdom of Krioval

Yeah sorry. That was unnecessary.

[Bergnovinaia]

bump

[Lioh]

i think this is a good proposal

[Progressive Union]

5) You've been around for 2 days so I don't think you have a clue what just came out of your mouth sir/madam.

Your Excellency, I believe that this outburst is not the most conducive to further debate. I implore Your Excellency to level critiques based on arguments, rather than the length of time that a nation has been working in the World Assembly.

[Lord] Ambassador Darvek Tyvok
Great Chiefdom of Krioval

The Ambassador from Progressive Union agrees with the Great Chiefdom here. Especially considering that The Sentenial Empire is a member nation of the Royal Federation of Nations, a region of which I am the Ambassador-Delegate. I would like the Ambassador from Bergnovinaia to show some respect to other Ambassadors of the World Assembly (he is a member), especially since I represent his nation as the regional delegate. I vote according to the wishes of the majority of the Royal Federation of Nations, so the opinions from The Sentenial Empire carry more weight than what is apparent.

D. Mark Melancon

Prime Minister of Progressive Union
Ambassador-Delegate of Royal Federation of Nations

[Gobbannium]

5.DOES NOT RESTRICT member nations to use such agents for peaceful purposes, either nationally or internationally, which includes and does not exclude, experimentation and implementations for vaccinations and other preventative treatments, testing for decontamination purposes, or other peaceful purposes. However, appropriate and effective measures are taken with regard to safety and security.

Aside from this being incorrectly referenced elsewhere, we fear that careless grammar has lead to this clause having exactly the opposite meaning from that which we hope was intended. As written, a nation is perfectly at liberty to use such an agent for non-peaceful purposes, just as long said agents (undefined as they are) are not in weapon form.

We would concur with whoever suggested it earlier that "DOES NOT RESTRICT" should be replaced with "PERMITS".

[Bergnovinaia]

5.DOES NOT RESTRICT member nations to use such agents for peaceful purposes, either nationally or internationally, which includes and does not exclude, experimentation and implementations for vaccinations and other preventative treatments, testing for decontamination purposes, or other peaceful purposes. However, appropriate and effective measures are taken with regard to safety and security.

Aside from this being incorrectly referenced elsewhere, we fear that careless grammar has lead to this clause having exactly the opposite meaning from that which we hope was intended. As written, a nation is perfectly at liberty to use such an agent for non-peaceful purposes, just as long said agents (undefined as they are) are not in weapon form.

We would concur with whoever suggested it earlier that "DOES NOT RESTRICT" should be replaced with "PERMITS".

Ok. I redraft it that way tomorrow since I still need 15 votes in the next 4 hours.

[Krioval]

OOC: If you could, please post a redraft before resubmitting the proposal. Also, you might want to write down the delegates who already approved your proposal because they would probably be willing to approve the redraft.

[Kaesekartoffeln]

The delegation from Kaesekartoffeln supports this proposal, believing that biological weapons should have no place in warfare.

The first section, which defines biological weapon, should be under the word "Hereby", and could probably be worded better. In Section 2, "CALLS FOR" would be better as "mandates", "requires", or something to that effect.

[Bergnovinaia]

Kinoval, I'll definately redraft before resubmission.

Delegates supporting proposal: Bergnovinaia, Flibbleites, Anagonia, Eviliciousness, Kingdom Brittania, Opalaland, Veilyonia, Dense Matter, South Lorenya, Alsted, St Georgee, R539, Phillippanoa, Arbingria, New Portage, GroBdeutsches Reich, HockeyNutville, Wutaco, ROMPA, Esperantujo 2, Peddieville, Kabanatuanistan, Todd McCloud, Almost Certain Doom, Kansas State Wildcats, Gherkiniz, Worldia555, Minyos, Nobitta, The Brewsters, Groda i Gojava, Freedomstaki, Melanie Long, Lutessia, Verband, South Malaysia, Simplissia, Asyhlo AO

[Bergnovinaia]

I will take suggestions so I can make this proposal better for re-submission.

[Krioval]

OOC: Is the draft on page 1 the most current version?

[New Xania]

What this proposal means is this.
1. Ban bio-weapons.
2. increase funding for nuclear and chemical weapons projects.

Overall effect: None as what we end up with in nuclear and chemical weapons should make up for the loss of valuable bio-weapons.

[Tanaara]

The Domination of Tanaara is not a part of the WA and never will be, but I can state quite firmly that this is a proposal we can agree with.

[Bergnovinaia]

OOC: Is the draft on page 1 the most current version?

Yes. I had few revisions.

What this proposal means is this.
1. Ban bio-weapons.
2. increase funding for nuclear and chemical weapons projects.

Overall effect: None as what we end up with in nuclear and chemical weapons should make up for the loss of valuable bio-weapons.

True. That's right on becuase bio-weapons are really unecessary in warfare.

The Domination of Tanaara is not a part of the WA and never will be, but I can state quite firmly that this is a proposal we can agree with.

Thanks for your support nonetheless.

[Krioval]

1. REQUIRES member states to disarm their biological arsenal, never acquire or possess a biological weapon, or assist any non-member nation in any way to develop, acquire, or deploy such weapons (except for article 6).

There is no section 6 - I think you mean section 5.

3. ALLOWS any member nation to attack non-member nations with any force necessary if they are attacked with biological weapons.

This could be read to allow biological counterattacks. Is there any other way to phrase this to eliminate this ambiguity?

Otherwise, I think you're ready for resubmission.

[Bergnovinaia]

I'll guess I'll submit now. I would appreciate the endorsements of all those who previously endorsed it.

[Krioval]

I'll guess I'll submit now. I would appreciate the endorsements of all those who previously endorsed it.

OOC: You have a TG.