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Unibot II
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Founded: Jan 10, 2011
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Postby Unibot II » Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:05 pm

Well there are powerhouses like Europe that don't take votes at all and regional votes rarely extend beyond like three or four citizens, maybe ten on 10ki. You can use the argument that those who don't vote on the regional forums are abstaining from the process, but these votes only extends so far.. when a region is 99.99% unrepresented, sometimes voter apathy or participation is an issue requiring action and accommodation by the state.
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Connopolis
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Founded: May 01, 2011
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Postby Connopolis » Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:12 pm

Cerberion wrote:
Glen-Rhodes wrote:I'm not sure why this would make the data inaccurate. RealVotes shows the voting power of those who are actually voting, and then compares it to the numbers given by NationStates. Why do you say that this scenario makes the data analysis inaccurate?

The point of RealVotes is to get rid of all the distortion and assign one vote for one person. In my opinion, if you don't vote, then you shouldn't have an influence in the overall vote. Any system that gives you influence without you actually voting is incredibly distorted, non-democratic and broken, if you ask me.


Not sure how it's undemocratic unless you are in a region without a delegate, or in a region who's delegate doesn't operate in a democratic fashion.

I agree it's certainly not a traditional democracy.

I cast my "real" vote where it counts the most, and thats in my region. Why whisper when you can shout?


That's actually a good point; as opposed to a regional delegate voting off their own prerogative, their voting would be controlled by members within the region, who in turn, don't vote on WA resolutions regularly. That's pretty bi-partisan, if you ask me; albeit, I think it would definitely represent the true democratic opinion of all member-states vote. But that's just my two cents.

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Improving Wordiness
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Postby Improving Wordiness » Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:22 pm

Unibot II wrote:Well there are powerhouses like Europe that don't take votes at all and regional votes rarely extend beyond like three or four citizens, maybe ten on 10ki. You can use the argument that those who don't vote on the regional forums are abstaining from the process, but these votes only extends so far.. when a region is 99.99% unrepresented, sometimes voter apathy or participation is an issue requiring action and accommodation by the state.


Intersting! What would happen to the Dharma- Capitalist paradise treaty in that case?

Capitalist Paradise is obligated to vote for all Security Council resolutions that are
authored by a native of Dharma. Unless, the resolution is concerning Capitalist Paradise,
one of its affiliated diplomatic regions (except Dharma) or any avowed adversaries of
Capitalist Paradise.


You could say the same thing for the natives of CP as it seems they do not get a choice at all.
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Connopolis
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Postby Connopolis » Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:25 pm

Improving Wordiness wrote:
Unibot II wrote:Well there are powerhouses like Europe that don't take votes at all and regional votes rarely extend beyond like three or four citizens, maybe ten on 10ki. You can use the argument that those who don't vote on the regional forums are abstaining from the process, but these votes only extends so far.. when a region is 99.99% unrepresented, sometimes voter apathy or participation is an issue requiring action and accommodation by the state.


Intersting! What would happen to the Dharma- Capitalist paradise treaty in that case?

Capitalist Paradise is obligated to vote for all Security Council resolutions that are
authored by a native of Dharma. Unless, the resolution is concerning Capitalist Paradise,
one of its affiliated diplomatic regions (except Dharma) or any avowed adversaries of
Capitalist Paradise.


You could say the same thing for the natives of CP as it seems they do not get a choice at all.


Err . . . The treaty was mutually ratified, if I recall correctly. Therefore, CP agreed to that term. Dual democracy in this case is derived through prerogative, and because CP denied it, then I believe the outcome was in fact democratic.
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Mahaj
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Postby Mahaj » Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:42 pm

Improving Wordiness wrote:
Unibot II wrote:Well there are powerhouses like Europe that don't take votes at all and regional votes rarely extend beyond like three or four citizens, maybe ten on 10ki. You can use the argument that those who don't vote on the regional forums are abstaining from the process, but these votes only extends so far.. when a region is 99.99% unrepresented, sometimes voter apathy or participation is an issue requiring action and accommodation by the state.


Intersting! What would happen to the Dharma- Capitalist paradise treaty in that case?

Capitalist Paradise is obligated to vote for all Security Council resolutions that are
authored by a native of Dharma. Unless, the resolution is concerning Capitalist Paradise,
one of its affiliated diplomatic regions (except Dharma) or any avowed adversaries of
Capitalist Paradise.


You could say the same thing for the natives of CP as it seems they do not get a choice at all.

Actually, if the treaty included resolutions *about* Dharmans, it would have passed. Heh.
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Connopolis
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Postby Connopolis » Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:53 pm

Mahaj wrote:
Improving Wordiness wrote:
Intersting! What would happen to the Dharma- Capitalist paradise treaty in that case?



You could say the same thing for the natives of CP as it seems they do not get a choice at all.

Actually, if the treaty included resolutions *about* Dharmans, it would have passed. Heh.


I've had a puppet in Dharma. That means the treaty was breached!

*Holds up torch and pitchfork* :p
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Todd McCloud
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Postby Todd McCloud » Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:58 pm

Unibot II wrote:
Todd McCloud wrote:A margin of ten votes between for and against! Let the pandering begin (or hasten I suppose)!


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I like it. New card?
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Unibot II
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Postby Unibot II » Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:52 pm

Todd McCloud wrote:
Unibot II wrote:
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I like it. New card?


It's added to the gallery too! :)

Improving Wordiness wrote:
Unibot II wrote:Well there are powerhouses like Europe that don't take votes at all and regional votes rarely extend beyond like three or four citizens, maybe ten on 10ki. You can use the argument that those who don't vote on the regional forums are abstaining from the process, but these votes only extends so far.. when a region is 99.99% unrepresented, sometimes voter apathy or participation is an issue requiring action and accommodation by the state.


Intersting! What would happen to the Dharma- Capitalist paradise treaty in that case?


Probably would be considered undemocratic. *whistles*
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