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Bengalai
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Founded: Jul 07, 2011
Ex-Nation

Postby Bengalai » Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:54 am

Wiztopia wrote:"1. Requires member states with such to designate at least one institute of higher education as a candidate for accreditation by OEX for a student exchange or study abroad program. "

Why should a nation be forced to designate one at all?


We agree. Why not allow a nation to designate all its educational establishments for accreditation? It will allow for more international exchanges.

We yield the floor

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NERVUN
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Postby NERVUN » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:24 pm

Shikkago wrote:
This proposal also creates a scholarship program to help students who are in need of financial assistance in order to study abroad or go on an exchange.


Why do we need an intern'l Govt-run org (OEX) to set up scholarships? We have private universities that accomplish this task quite well. Our citizens do not like having their tax money seized for such optional programs.

Or do we misunderstand your proposal?

Not all nations or people have the same abilities, Honored Ambassador. But we would like to remind the honored representative from Shikkago that the WA lacks any ability to levy a tax and thus any scholarships created would be funded through member donations.
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Wiztopia
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Postby Wiztopia » Thu Jul 21, 2011 4:59 pm

NERVUN wrote:
Shikkago wrote:
Why do we need an intern'l Govt-run org (OEX) to set up scholarships? We have private universities that accomplish this task quite well. Our citizens do not like having their tax money seized for such optional programs.

Or do we misunderstand your proposal?

Not all nations or people have the same abilities, Honored Ambassador. But we would like to remind the honored representative from Shikkago that the WA lacks any ability to levy a tax and thus any scholarships created would be funded through member donations.


Can you answer my question?

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NERVUN
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Postby NERVUN » Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:34 pm

Wiztopia wrote:
NERVUN wrote:Not all nations or people have the same abilities, Honored Ambassador. But we would like to remind the honored representative from Shikkago that the WA lacks any ability to levy a tax and thus any scholarships created would be funded through member donations.


Can you answer my question?

Yes, though I would hope you understand that while I am eager for this to pass, I'm also slightly busy with other things such as people posting inappropriate images.

In any case, there are two reasons why each nation should designate at least one school as a candidate. First is that an exchange/study abroad program with the stated goals of allowing for more understanding between nations through allowing their youths to see what life is like in another country would be rather meaningless if every nation could just opt out. We have, of course, built in some protections for, shall we say, less enthusiastic nations. Member nations are allowed to select just one school if they wish and select the school. The school/higher education institution does not have to be a college or university (or your nation's equivlent), it can also be a technical/trade school if you so wish. We also do not mandate the exchange of students, that students must study abroad, or where students should go if they do wish to. That choice is left up to the indivdual student and his or her family/teacher/whatever to decide. We would assume of course that more popular nations offering a wide range of schools with wide ranging programs will see more applications than less popular nations just offering a journeyman rating in A/C repair, but given the diversity in the world, who are we to decide if they will or not? Someone might indeed want to go to the most avoided nation that the WA ranks and study there, why should they be denied that oppertunity because that member state decides to stay hermited? (OOC: If I may use a real world example, far more students are interested in coming to the US to study than to North Korea, but even they do have some student exchanges).

OOC: The second reason is more WA rules'ish. It's hard to make somethion optional and if I did so, it would probably be chucked out of the queue as doing nothing but creating a comittiee.
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Postby The Treorai » Thu Jul 21, 2011 7:59 pm

First off, This is a blantent disregarued for a nations freedom to decide what they will focus on in their budget.

Secondly, I do not want to "donate" to another WA member's education system. This is almost a parallel to Communism, and state Property. I realise that a majoraty of nations in the WA are communist, but I, and another Majoraty of the WA are Anti-Communist.

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Postby Mallorea and Riva » Thu Jul 21, 2011 8:03 pm

The Treorai wrote:First off, This is a blantent disregarued for a nations freedom to decide what they will focus on in their budget.

Secondly, I do not want to "donate" to another WA member's education system. This is almost a parallel to Communism, and state Property. I realise that a majoraty of nations in the WA are communist, but I, and another Majoraty of the WA are Anti-Communist.

If you want better education, get it in your own nation, and don't make the rest of the world fallow your ideals

-Treorai Bren I


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Postby NERVUN » Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:23 pm

Netown wrote:We need to begin drafting a repeal of this trash.

Upon what grounds, Honored Ambassador?
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Postby NERVUN » Thu Jul 21, 2011 9:24 pm

The Treorai wrote:First off, This is a blantent disregarued for a nations freedom to decide what they will focus on in their budget.

Secondly, I do not want to "donate" to another WA member's education system. This is almost a parallel to Communism, and state Property. I realise that a majoraty of nations in the WA are communist, but I, and another Majoraty of the WA are Anti-Communist.

If you want better education, get it in your own nation, and don't make the rest of the world fallow your ideals

-Treorai Bren I

Ah... Honored Ambassador, perhaps you have read another proposal and confused it with this one? There's nothing about one nation donating to another nation's education system.
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Hoowhatsah
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Founded: Jul 10, 2011
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An Idea

Postby Hoowhatsah » Fri Jul 22, 2011 2:08 pm

The nation of Hoowhatsah is in agreement. However, we would like to add a thought.

Our proposition is as follows:

While this is a sound and proven idea we would like to see it go further. We recognize that those who attend institutions of higher learning are typically globally minded individuals. The population that most often has the most friction with foreigners are those that receive less education or quite frankly poor. It is these communities that need a "spokesperson" with which they can relate to. We propose that a lottery for a decided population be held if government works funds permit. One individual in a large community of around 10,000 will in time have more of an effect on a low income community, then the effect that several "elites", as the lower income individuals see them, will have on said community.

This thought requires much fine tuning, and is just a thought.

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Chow X
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Postby Chow X » Sun Jul 24, 2011 5:25 am

thats cool.

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Charlotte Ryberg
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Sun Jul 24, 2011 10:25 am

NERVUN, Thanks for the clarifications you have presented to the venerable ambassador from Minoa. Again, since the prohibition of certain nationalities as a consequence of the Minoan war of 2024 (the effects are still apparent to this day despite remarkable growth and recovery) would automatically imply no eligibility for visas, we consider the said enquiry resolved. As such, we are in favour.

Minoa is in the same situation as RL Germany: the Section 86 we talked about is actually intended to stop extremism and Nazism from hurting the country's democratic values ever again.
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NERVUN
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Postby NERVUN » Sun Jul 24, 2011 3:15 pm

While I'm a big believer in NOT counting one's chickens before they've hatched, I'm also going to be rather busy today and away from my computer until later this evening so I won't be seeing the results for a bit. So, let me just say thank you to all those who voted for and supported this.

International exchanges/study abroad is personally important to me. I was very involved in helping the international students at my university and, indeed, the woman I married was an international student from Japan. I came to Japan on an exchange program (Admittedly as a teacher instead of a student) and feel that one of the most important aspects of my job/life over here is to break down stereotypes on BOTH sides.

So thank you again, and for those whom said I was going to visit... *Mod hat on* well, funnily enough there's an old ruling preventing that. We're going to revisit that rule as it was written before influence and tags and is in need of changing. That said, it was decided that it would be unfair for me to get an advantage that other players trying to get their proposals passed did not have. We'll announce the changes after we've decided on the wording.
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