[Passed] Repeal "Safety in Difficult Times"

[Arivali]

More logic I don't understand. The rules say you can't submit a repeal that says this resolution breaks the rules... so there! However, the ideology thing is one of the reasons we want this repealed so badly. The proposal was up for days, and I don't recall anyone saying anything about illegality. Then it was up for approval for like three days. Nobody said anything about illegality, and it reached quorum.

If that little sentence is such a huge deal, somebody should have said something much sooner. We could have changed it. But the way I see it, if there are rules, they should be enforced. If something slips past that breaks the rules, we should be able to use that for at least one argument. We just can't use it as the main reason. It isn't our only argument though. We pointed out faults and loopholes too.

[Philimbesi]

If that little sentence is such a huge deal, somebody should have said something much sooner.

That's because it's not such a huge deal, it's an attempt to turn around a vote, albeit a very bad attempt but one never the less.

[New Jovenia]

The People's Republic of Jovenia has voted for the approval of the resolution to repeal the previously-established resolution, "Safety in Difficult Times," for the following reasons:

1. The People's Republic of Jovenia strongly feels the issue of Social Welfare is an issue in which should be dealt with domestically.
2. The People's Republic of Jovenia is vehemently opposed to the World Assembly's interference in domestic economic policy that doesn't directly effect other member states.

Charles O'Hanson
Jovenian Ambassador to The World Assembly,
General Assembly

[Zooey Deschanel]

It is very good to see that the joke that is "Safety in Difficult Times" shall be repealed. We vote in favor of this repeal.

- Ambassador Allison Allen

[Retired WerePenguins]

Seriously, how many time do I have to say this.
If it's illegal tell us before it's up for vote!

How many time do I have to say this.
Checking the queue is YOUR DAMN JOB, not ours!
Seriously, you should be asking your boss to fix this problem for the past few years. If this passes, there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it since unlike resolutions, repeals cannot be "repealed" or struck out.



Edit: Minor pretty print edit.

[ImperialPoland]

Again, if you are concerned with social welfare, deal with it in your own country! Last I knew, the WA was an alliance of people coming together for the common good; not an international government. The stupid proposal is forced Socialism, and I am not a Socialist. I will either help repeal this fluffy feel good drivel, or I will be forced to abuse the hell out of the loopholes (which there are quite a few).

My thoughts exactly; couldn't have said it better myself.

[Zyberkalicystan]

Again, if you are concerned with social welfare, deal with it in your own country! Last I knew, the WA was an alliance of people coming together for the common good; not an international government. The stupid proposal is forced Socialism, and I am not a Socialist. I will either help repeal this fluffy feel good drivel, or I will be forced to abuse the hell out of the loopholes (which there are quite a few).

My thoughts exactly; couldn't have said it better myself.

I agree. FOR

[ThisIsNotACountry]

Safety in Difficult Times is a great resolution. Also, there is nothing wrong with being socialist. We socialists and communists help our people instead of leaving them to fend for themselves. This is what this resolution intendedf to do as well. Furthermore, the reasons for the repeal are ridiculous. You claim to be repealing this for its loophole possibilities. Howeverm it is clear to me that you are only trying to repeal it because it goes against your political ideology.

[Muswellbrook]

In my first venture into the workings of the world assembly, I have voted FOR this motion.

The Principality of Muswellbrook was founded upon the principles of a laissez faire economy, with the Princely Court directed to set policy to encourage same.

Therefore, allowing the fledgling nation to have foisted upon it a binding socialist resolution would mean sacrificing the Principality's very core values on the alter of international consensus.

Welfare and broader social policy is a matter for individual nations, who are better placed to set such policy according to the circumstances of their community, not a matter to be dictated by a global think tank hijacked by idealogues.

[Wiztopia]

Safety in Difficult Times is a great resolution. Also, there is nothing wrong with being socialist. We socialists and communists help our people instead of leaving them to fend for themselves. This is what this resolution intendedf to do as well. Furthermore, the reasons for the repeal are ridiculous. You claim to be repealing this for its loophole possibilities. Howeverm it is clear to me that you are only trying to repeal it because it goes against your political ideology.

So forcing nations to create a welfare program is a ridiculous reason for a repeal?

[Flibbleites]

Seriously, how many time do I have to say this.
If it's illegal tell us before it's up for vote!

How many time do I have to say this.
Checking the queue is YOUR DAMN JOB, not ours!

Yes, and we're not perfect. What's your point?

Seriously, you should be asking your boss to fix this problem for the past few years.

And what "problem" would that be?

If this passes, there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it since unlike resolutions, repeals cannot be "repealed" or struck out.

Yeah, because I'm sure we all want to be voting on Repeal "Repeal "Repeal "Repeal "Repeal "Repeal "Repeal "Repeal "Repeal "Repeal "Repeal "Biological Weapons Conference."""""""""""

[Astrolinium]

How many time do I have to say this.
Checking the queue is YOUR DAMN JOB, not ours!

Yes, and we're not perfect. What's your point?

Seriously, you should be asking your boss to fix this problem for the past few years.

And what "problem" would that be?

If this passes, there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it since unlike resolutions, repeals cannot be "repealed" or struck out.

Yeah, because I'm sure we all want to be voting on Repeal "Repeal "Repeal "Repeal "Repeal "Repeal "Repeal "Repeal "Repeal "Repeal "Repeal "Biological Weapons Conference."""""""""""

Only if the repeal title has the eyeroll smiley.

[ThisIsNotACountry]

Safety in Difficult Times is a great resolution. Also, there is nothing wrong with being socialist. We socialists and communists help our people instead of leaving them to fend for themselves. This is what this resolution intendedf to do as well. Furthermore, the reasons for the repeal are ridiculous. You claim to be repealing this for its loophole possibilities. Howeverm it is clear to me that you are only trying to repeal it because it goes against your political ideology.

So forcing nations to create a welfare program is a ridiculous reason for a repeal?

It's not forcing. There's a little button that says "Resign."

[Wiztopia]

So forcing nations to create a welfare program is a ridiculous reason for a repeal?

It's not forcing. There's a little button that says "Resign."

Nice troll post.

[Rangel11]

Against this resolution!

[Separatist Peoples]

So forcing nations to create a welfare program is a ridiculous reason for a repeal?

It's not forcing. There's a little button that says "Resign."

Just because this resolution does what you like doesn't mean it is liked or even needed in other nations. After this was passed, my nation's economy took a hit, as did the category. That alone was enough for me to oppose it. However, this hardly is an international issue, and has a plethora of loopholes, all of which were being utilized for the duration of it's effect in the C.D.S.P.

[Greater Peterstan]

Again, if you are concerned with social welfare, deal with it in your own country! Last I knew, the WA was an alliance of people coming together for the common good; not an international government.

Many delegates have celebrated this statement, for some reason, so I thought I would weigh in.

There seems to be a great, ongoing, debate about what the WA is, or is not - what constitutes a legitimate area for collective action versus what is an area of national sovereignty.

This tension, of course, is an absolute necessity, since there is no specific division of powers, clearly written, telling us what is "in-bounds" vs. out of bounds.

This is an issue that faces all political bodies - including each and every nation, who themselves must decide how authority will be shared domestically among cities, states, or provinces, and externally with whatever international groups they are members of.

Delegate Arivali asserts that the WA isn't an "international government", as such, but merely a collection of nations coming together to pass binding legislation for the "common good". (Sarcasm is mine, deliberately inserted).

So, in other words, an international government.

The scope of the World Assembly is determined fluidly on a ongoing proposal-by-proposal basis. Indeed, going back and looking over the rules and etiquette of the WA, I notice that there is a whole classof proposals categorized under the rubric of "social justice" - suggesting that these matters are indeed within the scope of the WA. Close enough to require its own category, at least.

You can have intelligent and well-reasoned positions about what the WA should or should not do, make those arguments, and let the votes fall as they may. But in my humble opinion, simply crying NatSov at every turn - without any real discussion of the substance of the matter isn't very convincing, nor very entertaining to read.

But most importantly, it isn't a concept which is clearly defined in the law, and therefore isn't a trump card that defeats all other arguments.

Nor, by the way, is throwing the words "socialist" and "communist" around as some kind of ad hominem attack.

As a proudly social-democratic nation, Greater Peterstan will always seek to push the WA towards the protection of the world's most vulnerable citizens. Sometimes, this will involve "encouraging" reluctant nations by expanding the scope of the international legal framework.

This delegate, and the citizens I represent, won't lose much sleep over this - those who advocate for absolute sovereignty most often do so to provide a thin philosophical veneer to their own bad behavior.

Although SIDT has flaws, we do not find the arguments in favor of a repeal to be convincing. Unfortunately, looking at the numbers at this point, it would seem that a repeal is all but inevitable. Such is democracy!

Greater Peterstan will continue to advocate for universal social welfare at every opportunity, and we will continue to support the use of the World Assembly to achieve that aim for those not under our direct protection.

[Arivali]

Safety in Difficult Times is a great resolution. Also, there is nothing wrong with being socialist. We socialists and communists help our people instead of leaving them to fend for themselves. This is what this resolution intendedf to do as well. Furthermore, the reasons for the repeal are ridiculous. You claim to be repealing this for its loophole possibilities. Howeverm it is clear to me that you are only trying to repeal it because it goes against your political ideology.

No, there isn't anything wrong with being Socialist. However, it is wrong to tell everyone else they have to be Socialist too. If you care to read the rules, it's illegal to impose your political ideologies on other nations. This particular piece of resolution slipped past, and was passed because it appealed to emotion.

Do you know more about what my nation needs than I do? Do you know what state my economy is in? Do you know whether my people are lazy, or hard working? I do. I've been taught how to effectively govern them from a young age. If there is a problem with unemployment, the Lords and I know what will work best for our people. We will handle it.

You people act as if without SiDT half the world's population will be starving in the streets. That is simply not true. There may be a few psychotic dictators out there who don't care, but chances are, they aren't WA members anyway. The rest of us deal with issues the way we feel is best. A large chunk of my budget is being spent on Social Welfare, and I've been completely ignoring SiDT.

[Free Underwear Fliers]

The good people of FUF have voted for this bill. While we believe in helping the less fortunate in

society,one of,if not the,main tenets of FUF is a non-interventionist foreign policy. As long

as they don't hurt their own citizens,or make unjustified war on others,all nations should be allowed

to legislate according to their needs and desires.

[Charlotte Ryberg]

The true opinion prevailed to the end. The repeal has been passed!