[DEFEATED] Condemn Southern Bellz

[Sedgistan]

Condemn Southern Bellz
A resolution to express shock and dismay at a nation or region.

Category: Condemnation | Nominee: Southern Bellz | Proposed by: Che Memorial Park

Description: DENOUNCING The Smoking Gun of Southern Bellz for interfering with a free and fair election by tampering with an election in progress and corruptly maintaining power, through the unjust ejection of candidate nations.

AWARE that universally applied principles of international law mandate the democratic election of Regional Delegates by providing in every region of the world that the nation with the most endorsements at the time of the votes are counted is automatically elected Regional Delegate;

NOTING that the nation of The Allied States of Devonitians replaced The Smoking Gun of Southern Bellz and became Regional Delegate of the South Pacific by using this democratic, universally accepted method of election,

APPRECIATING that The Allied States of Devonitians respected democratic rule by announcing free elections and by inviting and allowing all nations in the South Pacific to freely endorse other nations so as to freely and democratically select a new Regional Delegate,

UNDERSTANDING that after convincing enough nations to unendorse The Allied States of Devonitians, The Smoking Gun of Southern Bellz resumed the role of Regional Delegate,

RECOGNIZING that at the time The Smoking Gun of Southern Bellz resumed the role of Regional Delegate a democratic election was still in progress,

APPALLED that upon returning to power The Smoking Gun of Southern Bellz suspended democratic rule to remain in power, violating the political and civil rights of the nations of the South Pacific with a campaign of repression which included:

* Unilaterally terminating an election in progress,
* placing the South Pacific under a state of martial law,
* ejecting candidate nations which had received valid endorsements,
* effectively destroying the votes of nations which endorsed the candidate nations

NOTING that such actions effect democratic decision making of the world community because the Regional Delegate of the South Pacific with it's large number of votes has outsized influence over if resolutions pass or fail in the World Assembly;

PROTESTING that by ejecting candidate nations involved in an on-going election The Smoking Gun of Southern Bellz not only interfered with the civil and political rights of said nations, but effectively engaged in vote tampering by effectively destroying the ballots of a approximately 100 nations which the two candidate nations prior to ejection;

DENOUNCING the disenfranchisement of over 100 nations during an on-going election as an unwarranted attack on the right of the nations of a region to democratically select a Regional Delegate;

FINDING such actions to be dangerous, discriminatory, and a threat to the right of nations to democratically choose Regional Delegates;

FEARING such corruption and disregard for the spirit of democratic rule may spread unless these corrupt and undemocratic actions are condemned.

HOPING that by publicly condemning The Smoking Gun of Southern Bellz the Security Council will discourage other nations from the deplorable and undemocratic practice of undermining, tampering with or otherwise interfering with on-going elections;

The nations of the Security Council hereby condemn The Smoking Gun of Southern Bellz.

[Ballotonia]

Thoroughly against.

The proposal claims that the ONLY democratic way of running a region is endo-whoring. All regions who have their elections on their forum should take note.

The proposal puts forth that the WA should have the right to meddle in the internal affairs of regions, just because WA members/delegates vote. Those who enjoy their sovereignty should take note.

The proposal falsely calls the invader delegate Devonitians legitimate, and falsely portrays the legitimate and democratic delegate Southern Bellz as some sort of evil oppressor.

Ballotonia

[Port-du-sud]

We have not yet voted, we would like more details :

- Have there been any negotiations beetween Southern Bellz and complainants before the start of the condemnation vote procedure ?

- What is Southern Bellz stand ?

[The Cat-Tribe]

This is a "Through the Looking Glass" resolution so full of distortions and lies that I am ashamed it is even before the Security Council for a vote.

Description: DENOUNCING The Smoking Gun of Southern Bellz for interfering with a free and fair election by tampering with an election in progress and corruptly maintaining power, through the unjust ejection of candidate nations.

1. Southern Bellz regained power in The South Pacific by the very means this resolution calls democratic. She earned the most endorsements at the time votes are counted. Since then, her endorsements by natives have tripled.

2.The "free and fair" election in question was neither free nor fair -- as it was being interfered with constantly by the then Delegate Devonitians in multiple ways. Regardless, Southern Bellz -- despite having those who endorsed her constantly ejected for no other reason -- won the "election."

3.Once Southern Bellz won the election, it was over. There was nothing to "tamper" with. Nonetheless, nations can and currently are engaged in a true election for the Delegacy of TSP.

4. Unlike Devonitians who ejected "candidate nations" at whim and restricted candidates to those nations that fit his personal agenda, Southern Bellz only ejected a very few nations (most of whom have come back to TSP) who refused to comply with long-standing TSP law that pre-dates Bellz's rule.

AWARE that universally applied principles of international law mandate the democratic election of Regional Delegates by providing in every region of the world that the nation with the most endorsements at the time of the votes are counted is automatically elected Regional Delegate;

Again, by this standard of "elections," Southern Bellz never did anything wrong and was democratically elected -- twice!!

NOTING that the nation of The Allied States of Devonitians replaced The Smoking Gun of Southern Bellz and became Regional Delegate of the South Pacific by using this democratic, universally accepted method of election,

Of course, Devonitians never publicly announced that he was seeking the Delegacy, violated TSP law in the manner he sought the Delegacy, and used stealth and trickery to become Delegate.

Within 2 days of the residents of TSP recognizing that Devonitians had taken the Delegacy, he was gotten rid of by the "democratic, universally accepted method of election" -- despite his trying to force all nations in TSP to endorse him, his ejecting nations that did not endorse him, and his ejection of nations that endorsed Southern Bellz.

APPRECIATING that The Allied States of Devonitians respected democratic rule by announcing free elections and by inviting and allowing all nations in the South Pacific to freely endorse other nations so as to freely and democratically select a new Regional Delegate,

Flat out lies. Devonitians publicly announced only certain nations could run for Delegate, created arbitrary rules for candidates, ejected candidates at whim -- even if they complied with his rules, required nations in TSP to endorse him, ejected nations that endorsed Southern Bellz, etc. Devonitians also suppressed any discussion of election, candidates, Bellz, or his rule with which he didn't agree. (All of which were measures the author of this condemnation supported, publicly saying this "was just a game" and "people shouldn't take it so serious."

UNDERSTANDING that after convincing enough nations to unendorse The Allied States of Devonitians, The Smoking Gun of Southern Bellz resumed the role of Regional Delegate,

Hypocritical, misleading, and untrue.

The natives of TSP reacted swiftly to Devonitians take-over. Many of us, including myself, campaigned against Devonitians and for restoration of Bellz. Devonitians own tyranny caused many nations to withdraw their endorsements.

Most importantly, in the words of this very resolution, Bellz was re-elected Delegate -- despite interference by Devonitians -- through the "democratic, universally accepted method of election."

RECOGNIZING that at the time The Smoking Gun of Southern Bellz resumed the role of Regional Delegate a democratic election was still in progress,

False. Already explained that the election was a farce. Who could run was restricted. How people could vote was being coerced. People voting "wrong" were being ejected.

Regardless, Bellz won. The election was over.

APPALLED that upon returning to power The Smoking Gun of Southern Bellz suspended democratic rule to remain in power, violating the political and civil rights of the nations of the South Pacific with a campaign of repression which included:

Bellz did no such thing. She has not the power to suspend the "democratic" process of endorsements. She did not engage in repression.

To the contrary, she stopped the campaign of repression implemented by Devonitians (and supported by the author of this comdenation).

* Unilaterally terminating an election in progress,

Won the election, thus temporarily halting it (although it could have continued). And a new election is currently ongoing.

* placing the South Pacific under a state of martial law,

False. Bellz did no such thing. Bellz enforced democratically enacted law of the TSP regarding elections. Nothing more, nothing less.

* ejecting candidate nations which had received valid endorsements,

True, but deceptive. Bellz ejected nations, who -- even given a second chance to do so -- refused to comply with TSP law that pre-dated Bellz and was democratically enacted.

* effectively destroying the votes of nations which endorsed the candidate nations

Poppycock. Nations, pursuant to game mechanics, can endorse multiple nations. It is unknown how many (if any) nations had voted for the ejected (illegal) candidates but had not endorsed Bellz. Regardless, as this resolution states, Bellz had already won the "democratic, universally accepted method of election."

NOTING that such actions effect democratic decision making of the world community because the Regional Delegate of the South Pacific with it's large number of votes has outsized influence over if resolutions pass or fail in the World Assembly;

Non sequitur.

As Bellz did nothing wrong, there is no concern here.

Contrast this with the attitude of this resolution's author during the briefy dictatorship of Devonitians, when he defended any and all actions by the Delegate that were within the Delegates power and ridiculed anyone who objected as being "silly."

PROTESTING that by ejecting candidate nations involved in an on-going election The Smoking Gun of Southern Bellz not only interfered with the civil and political rights of said nations, but effectively engaged in vote tampering by effectively destroying the ballots of a approximately 100 nations which the two candidate nations prior to ejection;

Already answered in spades. This is built on one lie after another.

DENOUNCING the disenfranchisement of over 100 nations during an on-going election as an unwarranted attack on the right of the nations of a region to democratically select a Regional Delegate;

Again, the contradicts this resolutions own definition of what a democratic election is. By that definition, Bellz won a democratic election -- despite interference against her by Devonitians.

FINDING such actions to be dangerous, discriminatory, and a threat to the right of nations to democratically choose Regional Delegates;

Sheer puffery based on refuted premises.

FEARING such corruption and disregard for the spirit of democratic rule may spread unless these corrupt and undemocratic actions are condemned.

Again, puffery based on refuted premises and incongruent with the author's slavish devotion to the tyrannical rule of Devonitians -- who actually did act in a corrupt and undemocratic manner.

HOPING that by publicly condemning The Smoking Gun of Southern Bellz the Security Council will discourage other nations from the deplorable and undemocratic practice of undermining, tampering with or otherwise interfering with on-going elections;

Not only is this based on lies, it is an insult to The South Pacific, which democratically re-elected Southern Bellz AND has drastically increased its support for her since this kerfluffle occurred.

We know what happened. We were there. We were the victims of Devonitians rule. We chose Southern Bellz, freely and fairly -- despite threats and ejections by Devonitians. We have increased our support of her since then. We don't need bitter former supporters of Devonitians telling us that it was Bellz and not Devonitians that was a tyrant. We know better.

We can only hope the nations of the world will listen to the TRUTH.

[Tandjanni]

الريهانَي تنجننِ
الريهان انشو اكرنكو
ان الاستل، ان ايل، ان الج

الاومٍمبرسن الهاد اَيارِهً

From the Hand of the Light of Heaven

On Behalf of Sinei ngua Taniha

The Light of Heaven is shocked that such a twisted proposal has been brought to vote. He wholeheartedly opposes this perte de temps.

Anashū, the Light of Heaven

[Port-du-sud]

We have decided to vote against because no negotiation beetween the protagonists has been engaged before the condemnation procedure.

AGAINST

[Mahaj WA Seat]

Fully Against.

[Ballotonia]

Let's deconstruct this for a bit in more detail:

DENOUNCING The Smoking Gun of Southern Bellz for interfering with a free and fair election by tampering with an election in progress and corruptly maintaining power, through the unjust ejection of candidate nations.

It's not a free and fair election when a region just bounces back from being invaded. There were hostile non-native nations in there which were allowed by the invader delegate (Devonitians) to endo-whore up to take over the delegacy. Devonitians was rather selective in who was or wasn't allowed to do so, and thus allowing such a farce to proceed is neither fair nor does it even remotely qualify as democracy.

AWARE that universally applied principles of international law mandate the democratic election of Regional Delegates by providing in every region of the world that the nation with the most endorsements at the time of the votes are counted is automatically elected Regional Delegate;

This simply claims that in all regions elections should be held by endorsement swapping, and arrangements such as elections on forums (which TSP doesn't even have) are illegitimate. A sweeping opinion (and not 'international law'), and utterly contradictory to what has become a standard implementation of democracy throughout NS.

NOTING that the nation of The Allied States of Devonitians replaced The Smoking Gun of Southern Bellz and became Regional Delegate of the South Pacific by using this democratic, universally accepted method of election,

This sounds nice, but only because the very concept of democracy has just been defined as equal to endo-whoring in the clause above. In reality, Devonitians moved into The South Pacific with the hostile intention of overthrowing the legitimately sitting Delegate, and start an oppressive regime. Hence, Devonitians kicked out natives, etc... The regular stuff we see in situations like that.

APPRECIATING that The Allied States of Devonitians respected democratic rule by announcing free elections and by inviting and allowing all nations in the South Pacific to freely endorse other nations so as to freely and democratically select a new Regional Delegate,

... with the exception of those Devonitians did not approve of. Hence the natives getting kicked when they endorsed another native nation which Devonitians didn't want to see become Delegate. As a result, this did not even remotely qualify as a 'free election'.

UNDERSTANDING that after convincing enough nations to unendorse The Allied States of Devonitians, The Smoking Gun of Southern Bellz resumed the role of Regional Delegate,

OMG! Something in here that's actually true! Yes, after a few days of seeing what Devonitians made of the situation, he lost so many endorsements his reign could not be maintained. No surprise.

RECOGNIZING that at the time The Smoking Gun of Southern Bellz resumed the role of Regional Delegate a democratic election was still in progress,

Apparently it's a rule here to write ones biggest key lie in bold font. There were no free democratic elections in progress, the oppression by Devonitians made it impossible to do anything in freedom.

APPALLED that upon returning to power The Smoking Gun of Southern Bellz suspended democratic rule to remain in power, violating the political and civil rights of the nations of the South Pacific with a campaign of repression which included:

* Unilaterally terminating an election in progress,
* placing the South Pacific under a state of martial law,
* ejecting candidate nations which had received valid endorsements,
* effectively destroying the votes of nations which endorsed the candidate nations

... or what really happened: following the rule of the invader delegate the place was in chaos, with non-natives left and right also trying to endo-whore themselves to the delegacy. So Southern Bellz did what any decent leader would do: clean house to allow the region to free itself from the hostile outside influences. Only then can the region return to business as usual, which includes free and fair democratic elections without such outside influences.

NOTING that such actions effect democratic decision making of the world community because the Regional Delegate of the South Pacific with it's large number of votes has outsized influence over if resolutions pass or fail in the World Assembly;

This reasoning makes it OK for the World Assembly to meddle in any region's internal affairs just because WA members (and Delegates) vote in the WA. Count me as very strongly opposed.


... and you know what? I'm gonna stop commenting on each line here, cause beyond this point in the proposal it's just more of the same drivel.

If this passes, it'll have to be repealed just to get rid of the formalized record of lies (and that's a valid argument regardless or not what ones personal opinion of Southern Bellz may be).

Ballotonia

[Draculanovia]

The Draculanovian people and the Delegate for the Pacific Freedom Fighters hereby abstain until such a time as we have more information. I have personally received messages from two parties, one pushing for and one pushing against, and quite frankly both simply contradict each other and call each other liars, and quite frankly, I can NOT allow my region or my people to fall into a personal feud between two parties. If at any point I receive further information which can NOT be refuted in some form or another, or until the absolute truth becomes known to me, I am forced to abstain.

Alright, now comes a request on my end. I would like the detailed history of all events between both nations in this issue sent to me by an individual who has no position within the TSP has no interest in holding a position, preferably someone who is totally neutral and has no connection with either of the involved parties or their supporters.

Anyways, for the moment, I am abstaining until I get a lot more information.

-President Dracul
Draculanovian Head Of States
Chief Ambassador to the World Assembly from Pacific Freedom Fighters

[A mean old man]

Absolutely against. I think the others have already done a fine job explaining what a load of lies this resolution is.

[Draculanovia]

I believe that both sides of the arguments have committed their share of offenses. I would ask that all those who are involved on both sides please contact me. I would like to try and handle this mess from a diplomatic, third party mediated stand point and see what we can do. Quite frankly I don't think condemning is the best way of handling it, nor do I feel that putting it out there for everyone to have to deal with is the best way of handling it. Negotiation, discussing both sides and their viewpoints, and trying to establish a peaceful environment I do feel to be the best way to deal with it, and I wish to mediate the discussions. I feel we can work it out in a manner that benefits all, reconciles the event, and could potentially prove helpful for all sides.

-President Dracul
Draculanovian Head of State
Pacific Freedom Fighters Delegate to the World Assembly

[Lordieth]

Totally and utterly against. It's such complete rubbish I don't even want to explain how totally disingenuous it is. If people can't see this for what it is I'm not wasting my time picking it apart.

[NeoByzantine]

how do we know this is all true about them. wheres the proof that their corrupt

[A mean old man]

For: 2,534. Against: 2,370.

How stupid are these people?
I mean, I know there are those with agendas, particularly the larger delegates who are voting on this, but the hoardes of lemmings...
Well, their eyes can be opened with a repeal.

[Punk Reloaded]

This is truly amazing. For one, I think this is one of the best written commend/condemn resolutions I've read. Che deserves a lot of credit for putting this together.

I'll note that he was very upset with how things went down and decided to put the angst to good use. I believe that is why you are seeing many rank and file WA members vote in favor of this resolution.

In TWP, we have taken the position that what Bellz has done does not warrant a condemnation - basically one needs to be more than inactive to get a badge like this. Che presents other arguments as well, but TWP's primary issue with Bellz and TSP government as a whole was inactivity leading to insecurity.

Unless there is a deluge of calls for me to vote FOR this resolution, TWP will probably will continue to abstain.

But, let this be a stern warning to all of you who have decried the pleas of the many who believed the inactivity of The South Pacific led to the coup by Devonitians feeling that level of inactivity was unacceptable. This should serve as a warning against future inactivity of any of the feeder delegates and we need to be aware of the responsibility we have while serving our regions.

I am a bit surprised by the vote but encouraged that WA members are 'getting it' when it comes to the reason for this condemnation.

[The Cat-Tribe]

The Draculanovian people and the Delegate for the Pacific Freedom Fighters hereby abstain until such a time as we have more information. I have personally received messages from two parties, one pushing for and one pushing against, and quite frankly both simply contradict each other and call each other liars, and quite frankly, I can NOT allow my region or my people to fall into a personal feud between two parties. If at any point I receive further information which can NOT be refuted in some form or another, or until the absolute truth becomes known to me, I am forced to abstain.

Alright, now comes a request on my end. I would like the detailed history of all events between both nations in this issue sent to me by an individual who has no position within the TSP has no interest in holding a position, preferably someone who is totally neutral and has no connection with either of the involved parties or their supporters.

Anyways, for the moment, I am abstaining until I get a lot more information.

-President Dracul
Draculanovian Head Of States
Chief Ambassador to the World Assembly from Pacific Freedom Fighters

Ambassador,

I have no government position with the TSP. I have never held one (with the exception of being Ambassador to another region for about 2 weeks about 4-5 years ago). I have no interest in ever holding a position in the TSP government.

I am not "totally neutral," because I am a native of the TSP who knows what happened. I was shocked by the takeover by Devonitians but publicly announced I was open to see if he had positive changes in mind. He didn't. He was a petty tyrant. As soon as I began to question his rule, I was suppressed -- dozens of times. Also, he began ejecting innocent natives and even ejecting candidates for the Delegacy. This led me to become an outspoken opponent of his tin-pot regime.

Southern Bellz was and is a friend, but I am not blind to mistakes she made. They just aren't found in this proposed condemnation. It is a pack of lies by a disgruntled Devonitians supporter, who (as I said earlier) made fun of any objections to Devonitians ejection of native nations and suppression of dissent during Devonitian's reign of terror.

Sincerely,
TCT

[Draculanovia]

Thank you, my esteemed colleague. I wanted to find out exactly what happened and I appreciate you letting me know as bluntly and briefly as you could. I very much appreciate that. I still would rather that a diplomatic and mediated attempt be tried first, however, I trust that my colleagues, including yourself, will do what they feel is right. Hopefully it proves to be so and does not prove to be yet another thing to have to repeal further down the road.

[Ballotonia]

Thank you, my esteemed colleague. I wanted to find out exactly what happened and I appreciate you letting me know as bluntly and briefly as you could. I very much appreciate that. I still would rather that a diplomatic and mediated attempt be tried first, however, I trust that my colleagues, including yourself, will do what they feel is right. Hopefully it proves to be so and does not prove to be yet another thing to have to repeal further down the road.

If it passes, there will be repeal(s). There are just too many blatant lies in this proposal to allow it to stand as a resolution on the books.

Ballotonia

[Starkana]

There is too much controversy surrounding the legitimacy of this resolution. I have to vote against and urge others to do the same.

[The Quedly]

I must say against, where are the direct sources

[Jeux II]

Fully Against this.

[A mean old man]

If it passes, there will be repeal(s). There are just too many blatant lies in this proposal to allow it to stand as a resolution on the books.

Ballotonia

If it does you can leave this one to me, Ballo.

[-Newfoundland-]

As WA delegate for a sister region to one that itself was couped by a subversive endorsement collector who had no regard for the region's political system and established conventions, I feel it imperative that we shoot down this proposal as a message to such agents in all regions of this world. I concur completely with The Cat-Tribe and Ballotonia's estimations of this proposal, and am concerned at how close we are to seeing this hogwash voted through. If there is any concerted effort to lobby against this proposal that seeks my help, I shall not hesitate in giving it to them.

[Alterrea]

For: 2,534. Against: 2,370.

How stupid are these people?
I mean, I know there are those with agendas, particularly the larger delegates who are voting on this, but the hoardes of lemmings...
Well, their eyes can be opened with a repeal.

Also the tiny Community of Alterrea has its OWN agenda not only big delegates!
To decide how to vote on this Resolution, the Leader of Alterrea flipped a one Pound coin...
The Will of the Pink Demiurge That no one has ever seen will solve this crucial international issue between giant nations...

[Lowell Leber]

I say now this is what the SC should be about! That said this codemnation is so full of lies that anyone who investigates this matter even casually as we have would have to vote no.