(PASSED) Repeal "Guns and Mental Capacity"

[Legendardisch]

ok if this law will be inserted or something then we will not follow it...


Our economy will be down you stupid dumb non thinker.

[The Altani Confederacy]

ok if this law will be inserted or something then we will not follow it...

Our economy will be down you stupid dumb non thinker.

This isn't a law to be "inserted" (incidentally, the images of what some ambassadors here may do with this legislation that your unfortunate phrasing inspired are just a tad bit disturbing). This is a repeal. Do you know what a repeal is? It means removing a law, not adding one. And how in the world will this affect your economy? As to your comment about "stupid dumb non thinkers", may we refer you to the Redundant Department of Redundancy Department?

[Flibbleites]

Our economy will be down you stupid dumb non thinker.

HEY! Knock off the Flaming.

[Scurvyia]

Quite so, we're all respectable gentlemen and women here. Let's at least remain civil!

Dillan Gerby
Official Scurvyian WA Representative

[The Altani Confederacy]

Quite so, we're all respectable gentlemen and women here.

*bursts out into uncontrollable laughter for several seconds*

Sorry, I couldn't help it. Respectable...gentlemen and women....in the GA....

*snickers under her breath a bit more*

Thank you, ambassador, that's the best laugh I've had in a while.

In any event, we support this repeal.

- Sophie Fournier
Delegate of Lavinium
Confederate Ambassador to the WA

[The Palentine]

Quite so, we're all respectable gentlemen and women here.

*bursts out into uncontrollable laughter for several seconds*

Sorry, I couldn't help it. Respectable...gentlemen and women....in the GA....

*snickers under her breath a bit more*

Thank you, ambassador, that's the best laugh I've had in a while.

In any event, we support this repeal.

- Sophie Fournier
Delegate of Lavinium
Confederate Ambassador to the WA

And you noticed the ambassador said it with a straight face, Ms. Fournier.

Excelsior,
Sen. Horatio Sulla
(Still good, but now with 50% more unwholesomeness than ever)

[Unibotian WA Mission]

Voting against because the repeal's content is rather weak as it doesn't satisfy the Reasonable Nation theory. Nations would not define such terms so vaguely, as it would be self-destructive to do so. I think this repeal encourages authors not to define things at all, because there is a tradition in the old-fogies of the WA to stretch definitions to absolutely wild and ridiculous applications even when no reasonable nation would actually want to do that -- so the point to defining for clarity is rather lost as you have to assume that the person reading your resolution is moronic and thoroughly unreasonable, so much so that they shouldn't be allowed to carry a loaded weapon under this resolution, let alone run a country. Any resolution is maliciously interpretable if you suffer from a severe lack of judgment, sensibility and awareness of reality whilst reading it, thus the conclusions of this repeal are neither shocking nor convincing.

[Tornik]

Tornik totally supports this nation and wishes to help it in future needs

[Tornik]

Voting against because the repeal's content is rather weak as it doesn't satisfy the Reasonable Nation theory. Nations would not define such terms so vaguely, as it would be self-destructive to do so. I think this repeal encourages authors not to define things at all, because there is a tradition in the old-fogies of the WA to stretch definitions to absolutely wild and ridiculous applications even when no reasonable nation would actually want to do that -- so the point to defining for clarity is rather lost as you have to assume that the person reading your resolution is moronic and thoroughly unreasonable, so much so that they shouldn't be allowed to carry a loaded weapon under this resolution, let alone run a country. Any resolution is maliciously interpretable if you suffer from a severe lack of judgment, sensibility and awareness of reality whilst reading it, thus the conclusions of this repeal are neither shocking nor convincing.

"Why" Tornik asks

[Herpusderpus]

It's beyond retarded that this repeal proposal was accepted in the first place, yet people still vote for it?
Its ludicrous claims have been refuted so badly in this thread.

Hell, the bandwagon effect was so strong on this one that even the author of the original resolution was affected by it.

GG.

[Alterrea]

Voting against because the repeal's content is rather weak as it doesn't satisfy the Reasonable Nation theory. Nations would not define such terms so vaguely, as it would be self-destructive to do so. I think this repeal encourages authors not to define things at all, because there is a tradition in the old-fogies of the WA to stretch definitions to absolutely wild and ridiculous applications even when no reasonable nation would actually want to do that -- so the point to defining for clarity is rather lost as you have to assume that the person reading your resolution is moronic and thoroughly unreasonable, so much so that they shouldn't be allowed to carry a loaded weapon under this resolution, let alone run a country. Any resolution is maliciously interpretable if you suffer from a severe lack of judgment, sensibility and awareness of reality whilst reading it, thus the conclusions of this repeal are neither shocking nor convincing.

The Community Attorney's Office reached the same conclusions here very well explained by the WA Representative of Unibot. Following its advice, the Senate of Alterrea decided to vote AGAINST this Repeal. Despite this, the message sent from the People's Democracy of Darenjo showed that even its own judicial system had some problems dealing with its own Resolution.

We have decided to support this repeal, because, after reading over both the repeal at vote, and our own resolution, we decided that enough (not all, but enough) of the repeal was true that GaMC was, rather than an effective and clear set of rules, something that was less effective than Darenjo can accept, and in some parts rather vague, unclear, or loophole-open.

The Senate has decided to change its vote because of this, from AGAINST to FOR. Unluckily, there is no time for the Great Council to ratify the new decision of the Senate. Because of this, the Leader of Alterrea used its reserve powers and ordered to ABSTAIN on this Repeal.

[Krioval]

It's beyond retarded that this repeal proposal was accepted in the first place, yet people still vote for it?
Its ludicrous claims have been refuted so badly in this thread.

Hell, the bandwagon effect was so strong on this one that even the author of the original resolution was affected by it.

GG.

I'm pretty sure that Darenjo was on board before this was submitted, so the "bandwagon effect" can hardly be said to apply.

Henrik Søgård
Imperial Chiefdom of Krioval

[Herpusderpus]

Gratz, guys. Another proud sheep victory for the WA.
Brotip: If you voted for the original resolution and also voted for this one you just got fucked over.

Now let's cut the crap, be honest and admit that the real reason for repealing wasn't because there was anything wrong with the original resolution, but because you don't mind that psychos have guns in your nation, because arms manufacturing is big in your nation or whatever.

[Mousebumples]

(OOC Note: I have no idea what the usual "lifespan" is of these threads before they get locked away in the archives, but I am planning to write up a post in this thread yet, as soon as I have the time to sit down and do it. Just between RL and having a second proposal at vote right now, I probably won't have the free time for another day or two. So, if the modly people could give me a few days to get that post written up before archiving this, that would be fabulous. )

[Bears Armed]

Now let's cut the crap, be honest and admit that the real reason for repealing wasn't because there was anything wrong with the original resolution, but because you don't mind that psychos have guns in your nation, because arms manufacturing is big in your nation or whatever.

"There are some of us whose homelands' laws might actually have been in compliance with the former resolution's terms anyhows, but whose governments think that policy on gun control should be determined nationally -- or even more locally -- rather than by the WA..."


Artorrios o SouthWoods,
ChairBear, Bears Armed Mission at the World Assembly.

[Darenjo]

Well, in response to the "bandwagon" comments, I was on board with this before it was submitted - indeed, before it was even brought onto the NS forums.

[Mousebumples]

I few general comments now that I (finally) have the time to address this thread:

(1) To the objections that the category restricts the definition of gun to being an actual firearm: Hirota made the argument that "This seems very similar as saying Human rights legislation is useless as it only affects Humans." In my mind, it seems to be opposite to that argument. His argument - that only firearms can be covered under Gun Control resolutions - seems to be more along the lines that human rights resolutions only affect humans. He's certainly welcome to that category interpretation; however, I prefer to go off of what the text of the now-repealed resolution actually says.

(2) I'll admit that I mostly just wanted to get this resolution repealed, as I don't think the WA should be interfering with national gun control laws. However, since Nat Sov arguments are illegal, I had to use other arguments. While some of the arguments are, perhaps, open to interpretation and would not be accepted by all, I feel that they are/were justifiable by the resolution's text. I've covered some of the examples previously in this thread, and I can expand upon the rationale for others, if there are further questions/objections. I wish I'd had more free time to be around to refute these arguments during the At Vote phase, but work (and RL) has a pesky way of interfering with NS fun.

(3) Many thanks to all - WA delegates and single-vote representatives - for their support of this repeal! I'd never authored (or submitted) a repeal before, and your votes in favor were greatly appreciated. And, once more, I'd like to thank Darenjo for his support. There's always the potential for difficulty when repealing a resolution authored by a GA regular that things will get contentious and ... overly political. His agreement that the resolution should be repealed (before I even submitted the repeal proposal) made everything run a bit more smoothly.

(4) I'll close with the same UN card I posted a few pages back.

Let nations decide for themselves on matters of national gun control. No replacement!