[DEFEATED] Condemn Region of Sion

[Sedgistan]

Um, I've just submitted this, and would just like to bring your attention to it; and possibly re-editing and re-submitting it if it comes back to the drawing board.

NOTING that the Region of Sion was established less than a month ago,

APPALLED that the above-mentioned region’s founder and members had self-nominated the region for a commendation by the Security Council,

BELIEVING that acting the action above would set an extremely dangerous precedent in the matters of the Security Council,

POSSIBLY CAUSING cases and reports of such self-nomination actions to surface in the matters of the Security Council,

CONCERNED that such cases would undermine and even disregard the credibility of the Security Council and possibly the whole World Assembly,

RECOGNISING the immediate need for the Security Council to act on this issue paramount to its own importance and original existence, thus

RESOLVING that condemnation is the only justified way to correct the region’s destructive and possibly irreparable actions,

HEREBY condemns the Region of Sion.

So, what do you think of this proposal? Please be free to give any comments and/or constructive criticisms, its my first time writing a condemnation and your remarks would just make writing and learning this a whole lot easier.

[Ballotonia]

IMHO, they're not worth either badge. Frankly, I hope to never hear from that region again.

Ballotonia

[Elke and Elba]

IMHO, they're not worth either badge. Frankly, I hope to never hear from that region again.

Ballotonia

True, but I believe a condemnation badge would stave off many people from joining the Region of Sion and reforming it as a new "Xcursion". After all they are not that great, and this is an issue for consideration for the SC.

Since we've reached a consensus of their worth, do please read and state comments regarding the writing style, issue, and importance etc. Thanks

[Riggedhinsoma]

I would support this Condemn against them as they are believeing they are "Better then everyone else, including the Security Council and the World Assembly" and regarding the fact, that they seem to be doing "Secret missions" which I seem to deem a bit strange and they themselves believe they wish to be Condemn rather then commendation regarding the message they posted on their own public region boards

Another condemnation has arrived; quite well written as well.
It says our behaviour has undermined "the credibility of the Security Council and possibly the whole World Assembly."
Needless to say I voted in favour of it. :-)

cherisey

Either way, they just want attention. In my eyes, they are just acting like a raiding region and only wish to gain attention either through a condemn or a commend just so they have a reason to suddenly do what they wish on other nations to force their way with theses "Secret missions" and all theses nations they are bringing in

[ACKJVR]

I think we should not give them anything. This would give them a puffed up sense of their own importance. In fact, everyone should just ignore them.

[Filchilie]

Ahh... this just made me laugh so much
How sad and funny that people think this. Ahhhhhh.... sometimes I think people take things waaaaaay to seriously.

[Sedgistan]

Filchilie, cut out the smiley spam.

[Elke and Elba]

I would support this Condemn against them as they are believeing they are "Better then everyone else, including the Security Council and the World Assembly" and regarding the fact, that they seem to be doing "Secret missions" which I seem to deem a bit strange and they themselves believe they wish to be Condemn rather then commendation regarding the message they posted on their own public region boards

Another condemnation has arrived; quite well written as well.
It says our behaviour has undermined "the credibility of the Security Council and possibly the whole World Assembly."
Needless to say I voted in favour of it. :-)

cherisey

Either way, they just want attention. In my eyes, they are just acting like a raiding region and only wish to gain attention either through a condemn or a commend just so they have a reason to suddenly do what they wish on other nations to force their way with theses "Secret missions" and all theses nations they are bringing in

Um, cherisey withdrew his vote seeing that its now turning against them. He thought he could seriously humiliate me like what they did to the new Region of Xcursion; provides you a reason to believe their playing a decoy.

[Riggedhinsoma]

Just goes to show you, they believe they have all the power in the world to do what they wish. Once it turns on them, they all get paranoid and all of a sudden "Oh, we never supported that, we were just kidding"

As two people from my region said

If that passes, I'm gonna try and condemn myself.

Heh, they have a colorful history, considering the region they spun off from. If they are worth a commendation, so are we all. Perhaps they should just start handing them out when you create a new nation or region.

In anywho, I still sport this condemn regarding the fact they are now trying to lie their way out of it and also regarding the fact that most of their members have confirmed, instead of being the "Oh so goody two-shoes" they claim they are, they are infact the bad guys/raiders from the spin off region they came from

Guys, we are the bad boys and what? It's cool to be bad. After all, if we are know as bad and cruel region, the nations of all the borders will come to our region because nothing is more interesting that to be part of the bad guys. Do you remember the times on high school? Now we are the gang of bad boys on the school yard. The chees club can condemn us, with every condemnation, we will become cooler.

- Lutumba

[Elke and Elba]

Well if this proposal comes back to draft stage, i'll add more. They are ridiculing us for the submission of this proposal, which is against the spirit of submission to the SC, and are showing no remorse of their wrong.

Personally I'm being targeted, Cherisey is playing mind games with me, and now Yggdrasil itself is being ridiculed by them now, well that answers Riggedhinsoma's and all other out here's question on their goody-two shoes deceiving appearance, which they are, truly bad.

Another favour asked now: Any more evidence to show any form of action that could be condemned?

Edit: i think I didn't made myself clear in the proposal; their condemnation is not due to their age, but the fact they self-nominated itself, and really think they are the goody two shoes you have described (and proven they are not), I do need to make this clearer if it should come back.

[Riggedhinsoma]

If your being targeted, then you can put in the condemn that they are targeting any who say "wrong" about them and attempt to "force" you to see their way. Obvious fact

Other evidence to point towards their evil ways, is the public stuff they are posting on their own nation boreds, which can be quoted from their members and from the deleate itself

I see not how you think being cool with other nations hating us will benefit Sion at all. The more and more Regions that hate us the easier it will be for them to gain power over us. With each Region or nation that hates us they can convince others aswell, which leaves nations to want to stay away from us for fear of being ridiculed.

- Felucean

Guys, we are the bad boys and what? It's cool to be bad. After all, if we are know as bad and cruel region, the nations of all the borders will come to our region because nothing is more interesting that to be part of the bad guys. Do you remember the times on high school? Now we are the gang of bad boys on the school yard. The chees club can condemn us, with every condemnation, we will become cooler.

- Lutumba

Have you read the stupidity and paranoia from these people? ... unbelievable.
I am now being criticized for supporting the bloody thing while the wild paranoia about our secret mission rages.
Christ this is a game and for those sad individuals looking on our board the mission is a totally internal roleplay; nothing to do with your immature reptilian regions.
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=108284

- Cherisey

Another condemnation has arrived; quite well written as well.
It says our behaviour has undermined "the credibility of the Security Council and possibly the whole World Assembly."
Needless to say I voted in favour of it. :-)

Cherisey

28 days old and proposing a commendation for ourselves might have some bearing on the animosity. ;-)

Cherisey

Just to increase inter-regional tension a bit further I sent the nob who proposed the condemnation the following PM.
"I am sorry your proposal to condemn our region was withdrawn. I think we, as a region, might have voted for it.
Just remember to put the '/' in the right place if you decide to draft another one.
Best wishes."

The Grand Duchy of Mega Russia ~ You better get your troops ready as there might be storm coming. ;-)

Cherisey

In anyway, as you can clearly see, this isn't the very first time they have been attempted to be condemned, someone else has condemned them and when the person failed to fail with the draft, they tried to pick a fight with the person. They are clearly a raiding region but use the disguise as this "goody two-shoe, better then everyone in the world assembly" to cover themsleves up and then use theses "Secret missions" they do within their own forum-room to clearly plot the way of gaining their own region "published" and gain "Notice" and once that happenes, what do you think they will do? Obviously pick fights, try to raid other regions... the usual tactics of raiders. First act all awesome, good and innocent, gain "notice", once that notice is gain, break all they said before and then go power crazy.

[Elke and Elba]

If your being targeted, then you can put in the condemn that they are targeting any who say "wrong" about them and attempt to "force" you to see their way. Obvious fact

Other evidence to point towards their evil ways, is the public stuff they are posting on their own nation boreds, which can be quoted from their members and from the deleate itself

I see not how you think being cool with other nations hating us will benefit Sion at all. The more and more Regions that hate us the easier it will be for them to gain power over us. With each Region or nation that hates us they can convince others aswell, which leaves nations to want to stay away from us for fear of being ridiculed.

- Felucean

Guys, we are the bad boys and what? It's cool to be bad. After all, if we are know as bad and cruel region, the nations of all the borders will come to our region because nothing is more interesting that to be part of the bad guys. Do you remember the times on high school? Now we are the gang of bad boys on the school yard. The chees club can condemn us, with every condemnation, we will become cooler.

- Lutumba

Have you read the stupidity and paranoia from these people? ... unbelievable.
I am now being criticized for supporting the bloody thing while the wild paranoia about our secret mission rages.
Christ this is a game and for those sad individuals looking on our board the mission is a totally internal roleplay; nothing to do with your immature reptilian regions.
viewtopic.php?f=24&t=108284

- Cherisey

Another condemnation has arrived; quite well written as well.
It says our behaviour has undermined "the credibility of the Security Council and possibly the whole World Assembly."
Needless to say I voted in favour of it. :-)

Cherisey

28 days old and proposing a commendation for ourselves might have some bearing on the animosity. ;-)

Cherisey

Just to increase inter-regional tension a bit further I sent the nob who proposed the condemnation the following PM.
"I am sorry your proposal to condemn our region was withdrawn. I think we, as a region, might have voted for it.
Just remember to put the '/' in the right place if you decide to draft another one.
Best wishes."

The Grand Duchy of Mega Russia ~ You better get your troops ready as there might be storm coming. ;-)

Cherisey

In anyway, as you can clearly see, this isn't the very first time they have been attempted to be condemned, someone else has condemned them and when the person failed to fail with the draft, they tried to pick a fight with the person. They are clearly a raiding region but use the disguise as this "goody two-shoe, better then everyone in the world assembly" to cover themsleves up and then use theses "Secret missions" they do within their own forum-room to clearly plot the way of gaining their own region "published" and gain "Notice" and once that happenes, what do you think they will do? Obviously pick fights, try to raid other regions... the usual tactics of raiders. First act all awesome, good and innocent, gain "notice", once that notice is gain, break all they said before and then go power crazy.

Targeting came after the submission, and of course I won't give up this easily, they deserve to be condemned. Ahhh... I don't really think they would raid. They do belong to the old Xcursion, but if they do raid later on we could double-up another condemnation for different issues.

[Sedgistan]

Since you have revealed partially the correspondence me and Cherisey had I think it might be fair for all to see all of it.

The Principality of Cherisey:

I am sorry your proposal to condemn our region was withdrawn. I think we, as a region, might have voted for it.
Just remember to put the '/' in the right place if you decide to draft another one.
Best wishes.

The Protectorate of Elke and Elba:

(I don't have the exact reply, for I don't keep track of my own sent telegrams) [ I said something about sending in a new one then.]

The Principality of Cherisey:

;-)

(I didn't send anything back at this point.)

The Principality of Cherisey:

I have sent you an email. Regards,

The Protectorate of Elke and Elba:

I'm afraid I hadn't received your email. For your information, (something about Yggdrasil's election, where they had ridiculed the region for only having one candidate for Development Minister.)

The Principality of Cherisey:

Hi there,
That is odd as someone tried to login using your nation's name. The email address was <Mod edit: removed>
I assume if it wasn't you then someone has just used your name getting it from the regional noticeboard.
Sorry to bother you then, all the best,

[Riggedhinsoma]

So they tried to hack your account?

[Elke and Elba]

So they tried to hack your account?

Not sure about the point; it seems fine and well to me.

EDIT: I'll go change my password now. Do you think this proposal would really work against them. Cause one of them seems to say that on the regional message board;

Felucean: I see not how you think being cool with other nations hating us will benefit Sion at all. The more and more Regions that hate us the easier it will be for them to gain power over us. With each Region or nation that hates us they can convince others aswell, which leaves nations to want to stay away from us for fear of being ridiculed.

Which actually should do them some harm.

[Sedgistan]

I assumed so, regarding the fact that Cherisey said

That is odd as someone tried to login using your nation's name. The email address was <Mod edit: removed>

Maybe, it's another secret mission by Cherisey with him targeting you? That's my guess

[Sedgistan]

Best not to post other people's email addresses here, ok? Especially when they appear to have an RL name in them.

[Elke and Elba]

Best not to post other people's email addresses here, ok? Especially when they appear to have an RL name in them.

Ok, I'm just reporting what Cherisey said.

Is it possible to look into why as to the said person above had access to the email? I believe something fishy right here...

[Riggedhinsoma]

You may have a sleeper/spy within your nation gaining information from your forum

[Elke and Elba]

You may have a sleeper/spy within your nation gaining information from your forum

Not possible, that ain't my email and that i hadn't informed my region of this proposal thru the forum.

[Khrond]

......................................................... and the stupidity marches on...

Seriously people, use a little common sense when trying to read these comments you've gotten off our page... They're all in regards of having people like you making us out into being the badguy... and how this witchhunt is only going to make the region more popular because what you're doing...

This whole BS is getting rather ridiculous about the commendation thing... Obviously, the topic got voted on and approved to the point of being put up on the main page for everybody to vote on in the World Assembly... What was that... seventy-something people approving it? Yet, this thread would rather take a Fox news approach and put together this massive conspiracy theory that we're out seemingly to destroy Nationstates because Cheresey wrote and pushed through a commendation for his region...

"CONCERNED that such cases would undermine and even disregard the credibility of the Security Council and possibly the whole World Assembly,"

To demonize him for getting his issue pushed through does far more damage undermining and disregarding the WA because you're questioning their judgment because they did, in fact pass it all the way to public vote on the main page... But I digress, another story for another time... seeing as this is about more witchhunt than WA policy...

Now with email hacking and region crashing and any other conspiracy theory BS that certain people wish to come up with... Christ...

The fact is... besides for the game itself, my nation and my Region... I couldn't give a damn about any other region or nation on the game... (Yes, because it is a game...) I'm not about to hack somebody's email or crash a region (I wouldn't even begin to know how to do that...) because I don't care to do that... I'm just here to have a little fun and role play with Sion and develop my nation... couldn't give two craps about Nationstates politics and bs like this...

[Hiraga]

Well I for one approve of this measure, and this should move as fast as possible. You have my up vote, guaranteed.

[Swift Sure]

APPALLED that the above-mentioned region’s founder and members had self-nominated the region for a commendation by the Security Council,

I personally don't think it's appalling and don't feel that this is worth a condemnation. I feel it's important to encourage members to participate in the Council and not discourage members to take risks.

[Riggedhinsoma]

......................................................... and the stupidity marches on...

Seriously people, use a little common sense when trying to read these comments you've gotten off our page... They're all in regards of having people like you making us out into being the badguy... and how this witchhunt is only going to make the region more popular because what you're doing...

This whole BS is getting rather ridiculous about the commendation thing... Obviously, the topic got voted on and approved to the point of being put up on the main page for everybody to vote on in the World Assembly... What was that... seventy-something people approving it? Yet, this thread would rather take a Fox news approach and put together this massive conspiracy theory that we're out seemingly to destroy Nationstates because Cheresey wrote and pushed through a commendation for his region...

"CONCERNED that such cases would undermine and even disregard the credibility of the Security Council and possibly the whole World Assembly,"

To demonize him for getting his issue pushed through does far more damage undermining and disregarding the WA because you're questioning their judgment because they did, in fact pass it all the way to public vote on the main page... But I digress, another story for another time... seeing as this is about more witchhunt than WA policy...

Now with email hacking and region crashing and any other conspiracy theory BS that certain people wish to come up with... Christ...

The fact is... besides for the game itself, my nation and my Region... I couldn't give a damn about any other region or nation on the game... (Yes, because it is a game...) I'm not about to hack somebody's email or crash a region (I wouldn't even begin to know how to do that...) because I don't care to do that... I'm just here to have a little fun and role play with Sion and develop my nation... couldn't give two craps about Nationstates politics and bs like this...

TL;DR, put it simpley in small words for what this guy said "Since I'm part of his region, of course I'm gonna defend him".

And explain why the delegate of your region changed the password more then three times and been deleteing public posts on the board?

* 2 hours ago: The Principality of Cherisey rejected Region of Xcursion's request for regional embassies.
* 4 hours ago: The Republic of The Passenger of the region Region of Xcursion proposed constructing embassies.
* 6 hours ago: The Principality of Cherisey password-protected the region.
* 6 hours ago: The Principality of Cherisey updated the World Factbook entry.
* 6 hours ago: The Principality of Cherisey removed regional password protection.
* 6 hours ago: The Principality of Cherisey updated the World Factbook entry.
* 6 hours ago: The Principality of Cherisey updated the World Factbook entry.
* 6 hours ago: The Principality of Cherisey updated the World Factbook entry.
* 6 hours ago: The Principality of Cherisey changed the regional password.
* 6 hours ago: The Principality of Cherisey updated the World Factbook entry.

[Cherisey]

Not that it is any of your concern but we are testing a feature on our website.
It involves a number a security features to keep people like you out.
Although you don't deserve an explanation let me give you one.
Our website is an integrated website, forum, wikipedia and database system. It is the only one in operation in the game.
As both recruitment and security are open pages it is vital foreign regions cannot access it.
Thus, operating a script system, the logon checks that the member is playing this game and that the said nation is in our region.
That is why the password was changed as we are working on integration either via OpenID or a self created system.
Now do you feel satisfied? Will you sleep better at night?