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by The Two Jerseys » Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:24 am

by Hartwynd » Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:28 pm

by The Dourian Embassy » Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:57 pm
Hartwynd wrote:I have to say that repealing it could potentially lead to some good Samaritan's downfall. If it is repealed what is a good Samaritan to do but wait while the emergency personnel is too late to do any good.

by Discoveria » Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:41 pm
The Dourian Embassy wrote:Hartwynd wrote:I have to say that repealing it could potentially lead to some good Samaritan's downfall. If it is repealed what is a good Samaritan to do but wait while the emergency personnel is too late to do any good.
They already have to do that due to the current resolution's wording. If they're unsure of the situation, they cannot help in any way.


by Byritannia » Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:54 pm

by Novus Niciae » Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:40 am

by Bears Armed » Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:59 am
Hartwynd wrote:I have to say that repealing it could potentially lead to some good Samaritan's downfall. If it is repealed what is a good Samaritan to do but wait while the emergency personnel is too late to do any good.

by Quelesh » Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:21 pm

by Bergnovinaia » Sat Nov 03, 2012 3:23 pm

by Mikeswill » Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:44 pm
by Sanctaria » Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:45 pm
Mikeswill wrote:Currently the vote to Repeal "Assitance Givers Protection" stands:
Votes For: 7,023 (90%)
Votes Against: 758 (10%)
despite the ignominious misspelling of the word “Assistance” in the title of the repeal bringing into question if said legislation is a legitimate action.
As such Mikeswill hasl voted AGAINST the World Assembly Resolution "Repeal "Assitance Givers Protection"".


by Allinlia » Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:55 pm

by Vincetinople » Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:37 pm

by Mikeswill » Sat Nov 03, 2012 8:05 pm

by Free South Califas » Sun Nov 04, 2012 12:21 am
Bergnovinaia wrote:I may redraft AGP at some point in the near future, it just depends on how busy I am between IRL school and work. Hopefully the redraft will be spared the red pen from the Dourian Grammar Nazis. If anyone wishes to work on me with the redraft effort, providing some assitance [sic], I will gladly share co-authorship.
Yours,
Berg
Cowardly Pacifists wrote:The Dourian Embassy wrote:
I'd prefer not to seem petty, it's mispelled, but that's not the only flaw it presents. I did provide a link in the original post to the original resolution.
I don't think it's petty to insist that international legislation be spelled correctly. The laws we pass are a reflection on this Assembly as a whole, and we certainly don't look like a respectable international legislature when we can't correctly spell the title of our laws.
That said, it's your repeal. If you don't think that argument bears mentioning, so be it.

by Cowardly Pacifists » Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:13 pm

by Mousebumples » Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:13 pm
Cowardly Pacifists wrote:Congrats in advance on on what could be the most lopsided vote in favor of a repeal ever.

by Jim Henson » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:13 am
Mousebumples wrote:Cowardly Pacifists wrote:Congrats in advance on on what could be the most lopsided vote in favor of a repeal ever.
Unlikely. Repeal "On Expiration Dates" passed 91:9. Historically, if you follow voting trends, the margin just gets smaller - usually - at this point of the voting.
Otherwise, my congrats to the authoring delegation for their efforts on this repeal. I regret that I haven't been able to be more active during the repeal effort, but the end result is looking swell.

by Free South Califas » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:23 am
Votes For: 9,726 (91%)
Votes Against: 1,003 (9%)
[Delegate Votes]
Voting Ends: in 36 minutes

by Jim Henson » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:08 am

by Mousebumples » Tue Nov 06, 2012 10:36 am
Jim Henson wrote:Mousebumples wrote:Unlikely. Repeal "On Expiration Dates" passed 91:9. Historically, if you follow voting trends, the margin just gets smaller - usually - at this point of the voting.
Otherwise, my congrats to the authoring delegation for their efforts on this repeal. I regret that I haven't been able to be more active during the repeal effort, but the end result is looking swell.
It's actually getting bigger right now, but I don't think It will get to 91% before it's over.

by Sciongrad » Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:51 pm

by Connors nation » Thu Nov 08, 2012 12:21 pm
The Dourian Embassy wrote:A link to the resolution I'm going to repeal.Applauding the intentions of Ga #106 "Assitance Givers Protection,"
Seeking, however, to improve the quality of international law,
Believing that the resolution in question is poorly written,
Regretting that the ambiguity of its language precludes several of its clauses from being effectively enforced,
Recognizing that simply believing yourself capable of helping someone does not necessarily indicate capability to help effectively,
how do we vote
Notes that the resolution bars simple actions such as removing someone from harm's way, when doing so would be both warranted and acceptable.
Feeling that GA #106 unnecessarily ties the hands of nations who might be better arbiters of the merits of each individual case,
Emphasizes that harm resultant of negligence, even in the course of providing assistance, should still be actionable in civil court in at least some cases,
Accepting that most nations will pass their own laws on the subject without the interference of the World Assembly,
Hereby repeals Ga #106 "Assitance Givers Protection."
So the flaws inherent to this resolution are obvious, some maybe not so much.
The misspelling in the title is worth mentioning, but is not itself a basis for a repeal. Assuming that all the language problems didn't exist, the purpose of the resolution is very specific. It seeks to grant immunity to civil suits that might discourage people from helping emergency victims. This is an admirable goal, but not one I can hold is in the realm of the World Assembly. That said, there need to be concrete reasons for a repeal outside of Nat Sov.
Firstly, it makes no exceptions for those who are operating under impairment. Someone who has the proper training and has the opportunity to help, but who is clearly impaired(through drugs or alcohol, for instance), is protected from civil suits that might arise from their care, no matter how negligent. This is an obvious flaw.
Secondly, if you're unsure as to what occurred and you aren't an emergency responder, you may not help victims. I believe that will cause less people, not more, to provide assistance to those that need it in emergency situations. It makes a basic mistake that causes harm. It assumes all assistance is in the form of medical assistance. One can remove a victim from a dangerous situation and save his/her life.
Beyond that, and involving medical assistance: One can apply pressure to a wound without advanced medical training. One can be directed by someone who does have advanced medical training. One can assist those who do have medical training.
The ambiguity of language may make most of this moot. I can read it and wonder if it prohibits or allows anything. But assuming the language is sound, it does not do what it set out to do, which is to save lives. With that said, it has to go.
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