[PASSED] Disability Welfare Act

[Stoner Republic]

Oh look, a resolution to force all member states of the World Assembly to become communistic crap-holes.

Voting Against.

Oh, so those who fought for your precious democracy in the goddamn Nam for example, and lost their limbs in the rice fields - should just go fuck themselves?

[Shiloh]

To the Desk of the World Assembly,

Shiloh's economy has went to hell from the last resolution. Due to the financial burden of this resolution, we will be voting against it.
That being said, we do not have any problems with the Disability Welfare Act itself.

Fortes in Unitate,
The Democratic States of Shiloh

[New Christland]

This frightens me, Watching as the Left-Wing takes over, I encourage you my friends to vote NO, We do not need a intellectual elite deciding our decisions for us. NO.

[Sanctaria]

This frightens me, Watching as the Left-Wing takes over, I encourage you my friends to vote NO, We do not need a intellectual elite deciding our decisions for us. NO.

I do not know which intellectual elite you are referring to, but whoever they are, they don't decide decisions for you. You'll find the World Assembly as a whole decides. It's called voting.

[Great Nepal]

Should ambassadors find communist intrusion not to be acceptable, our national office of loophole finder has found a way to define everyone as "able" according to this resolution: by small state intervention of course. By employing one person with serious disabilities to do pointless/simple jobs.
Therefore, proving that an individual with those disabilities are capable and effectual in terms of work and employment and rendering resolution void.

[Sanctaria]

Should ambassadors find communist intrusion not to be acceptable, our national office of loophole finder has found a way to define everyone as "able" according to this resolution: by small state intervention of course. By employing one person with serious disabilities to do pointless/simple jobs.
Therefore, proving that an individual with those disabilities are capable and effectual in terms of work and employment and rendering resolution void.

The resolution is aimed at providing benefits to those with severe disability because they could not work. If you find them work and give them remuneration, you won't find this Ambassador complaining.

[Great Nepal]

Should ambassadors find communist intrusion not to be acceptable, our national office of loophole finder has found a way to define everyone as "able" according to this resolution: by small state intervention of course. By employing one person with serious disabilities to do pointless/simple jobs.
Therefore, proving that an individual with those disabilities are capable and effectual in terms of work and employment and rendering resolution void.

The resolution is aimed at providing benefits to those with severe disability because they could not work. If you find them work and give them remuneration, you won't find this Ambassador complaining.

Very well. We will hire one person with those disabilities to sit at their home so as to ensure no lion tries to demolish their house.

[Sanctaria]

The resolution is aimed at providing benefits to those with severe disability because they could not work. If you find them work and give them remuneration, you won't find this Ambassador complaining.

Very well. We will hire one person with those disabilities to sit at their home so as to ensure no lion tries to demolish their house.

Unfortunately, I fear the Ambassador has had no first hand knowledge of people with serious disabilities. It's not as simple as saying "we'll find them a job they can do".

[Great Nepal]

Very well. We will hire one person with those disabilities to sit at their home so as to ensure no lion tries to demolish their house.

Unfortunately, I fear the Ambassador has had no first hand knowledge of people with serious disabilities. It's not as simple as saying "we'll find them a job they can do".

If government hires one person with severe disabilities to do boondoggle job; it certainly will be much cheaper on taxpayers than giving welfare for all disabled. Government can give one person job simply by signing on a piece of paper.

OOC: I think you didn't quite understand the loophole I pointed:-
- Government hires one deaf, blind person who cant speak and doesn't have a leg and has mental disability as public servant.
- The person will do pointless job (sitting in their house).
- Everyone who is deaf, blind, without speech, without leg and have mental disability, now isn't considered disabled under this proposal.
- Therefore, everyone in that group isn't entitled to welfare.
- Taxpayers save huge amount of money.

[Sanctaria]

Unfortunately, I fear the Ambassador has had no first hand knowledge of people with serious disabilities. It's not as simple as saying "we'll find them a job they can do".

If government hires one person with severe disabilities to do boondoggle job; it certainly will be much cheaper on taxpayers than giving welfare for all disabled. Government can give one person job simply by signing on a piece of paper.

OOC: I think you didn't quite understand the loophole I pointed:-
- Government hires one deaf, blind person who cant speak and doesn't have a leg and has mental disability as public servant.
- The person will do pointless job (sitting in their house).
- Everyone who is deaf, blind, without speech, without leg and have mental disability, now isn't considered disabled under this proposal.
- Therefore, everyone in that group isn't entitled to welfare.
- Taxpayers save huge amount of money.

As I've already explained to the Ambassador, he must have no first hand knowledge of those who are disabled to assume that every disability is the same.

OOC: I understood. I don't see it.

[Flibbleites]

The United States, Ambassador? There are many United States and I am unsure as to which one you are referring to.

The real one you retard. The United States of America was built on the idea of an extremely LIMITED government that would not interfere with the lives of it's people but to protect them. No welfare, no healthcare, you make your own way.

OOC: While in the WA forum it is assumed that you're an ambassador representing your nation, I suggest your ambassador learn to be more diplomatic lest you the player find yourself warned for Flaming.

Flibbleites
Game Moderator

[Allrule]

Oh look, a resolution to force all member states of the World Assembly to become communistic crap-holes.

Voting Against.

"Oh look, another capitalist nation controlled by bourgeois jaywalker capitalists who run the economy for their own benefit and drop all others like hot rocks.

Voting For." said Horace Smith, the Allrulian ambassador to the WA.

He then grabbed the decadent jaywalker imperial capitalist ambassador from Verendre (aka tyrannyland), dragged him out into the hall, and defenestrated him.

[Christian Democrats]

Oh look, a resolution to force all member states of the World Assembly to become communistic crap-holes.

Voting Against.

"Oh look, another capitalist nation controlled by bourgeois jaywalker capitalists who run the economy for their own benefit and drop all others like hot rocks.

Voting For." said Horace Smith, the Allrulian ambassador to the WA.

He then grabbed the decadent jaywalker imperial capitalist ambassador from Verendre (aka tyrannyland), dragged him out into the hall, and defenestrated him.

Communism does offer more equality than capitalism; though, I'd rather live in an unequal society in which only some do well (capitalism) than a society in which everyone is equally poor and miserable (communism).

[Allrule]

"Oh look, another capitalist nation controlled by bourgeois jaywalker capitalists who run the economy for their own benefit and drop all others like hot rocks.

Voting For." said Horace Smith, the Allrulian ambassador to the WA.

He then grabbed the decadent jaywalker imperial capitalist ambassador from Verendre (aka tyrannyland), dragged him out into the hall, and defenestrated him.

Communism does offer more equality than capitalism; though, I'd rather live in an unequal society in which only some do well (capitalism) than a society in which everyone is equally poor and miserable (communism).

"Of course Communism is a horrible system where everyone is miserable, Mr. Ambassador." said Horace.

"After all, the big businessmen said so, and they would never lie, right?... In any case, I would like to inform you that Allrule is not a capitalist nation. We are a SOCIALIST nation, fine thank you. We don't squash private enterprise like bugs under our feet. We allow private enterprise, although said private enterprise is regulated. We also allow our citizens to criticize governmental policy, though we admit criticism of the Party itself is not very well tolerated.

Anyway, the subject of the debate here is the Disability Welfare Act, not Communism, Capitalism, or Socialism. Please get back on topic."

[Van Diemen]

It is recognized that this proposal was written with the best intentions, however, as the wording stands, Van Diemen will be voting against such a resolution. As has been mentioned previously, the economic ramifications are potentially destructive towards many countries within the World Assembly, especially newly formed nations. Systems of welfare are built with good in mind, but are often vulnerable to abuse that can increase taxes and ultimately hamper the standard of living within a nation due to the aforementioned abuse. Also, the idea of enforcement may be an issue, as the cost of monitoring all countries involved to ensure compliance is a extremely costly endeavor.

As far as the moral and ethical observations go, it is this nation's surmise that in its current form there are many murky areas within the wording that can be misinterpreted, and, as the recommendation towards the end of the resolution, confusing. As that sentence is written, it would appear as though members of the World Assembly are being asked to slacken or desist from welfare aiding those who are not disabled, which this nation believes is not the intent at all, simply a poor wording choice or misunderstanding.

In the future, however, we would gladly support a clearer version of this resolution, and would suggest an option allowing for the contracting of privatized systems of care and education for the disabled through government provided incentive, which would lessen the overall cost on governments while boosting a nation's economy by supporting its own privately owned corporations.

[Sanctaria]

It is recognized that this proposal was written with the best intentions, however, as the wording stands, Van Diemen will be voting against such a resolution. As has been mentioned previously, the economic ramifications are potentially destructive towards many countries within the World Assembly, especially newly formed nations. Systems of welfare are built with good in mind, but are often vulnerable to abuse that can increase taxes and ultimately hamper the standard of living within a nation due to the aforementioned abuse. Also, the idea of enforcement may be an issue, as the cost of monitoring all countries involved to ensure compliance is a extremely costly endeavor.

As has already been pointed out, the cost of any and all benefits on a country's finances will vary from country to country. I don't feel the need to repeat what's already been said.

As far as the moral and ethical observations go, it is this nation's surmise that in its current form there are many murky areas within the wording that can be misinterpreted, and, as the recommendation towards the end of the resolution, confusing. As that sentence is written, it would appear as though members of the World Assembly are being asked to slacken or desist from welfare aiding those who are not disabled, which this nation believes is not the intent at all, simply a poor wording choice or misunderstanding.

The wording underwent significant reviews, calling it confusing would just insult your Ambassador's intelligence. The wording clearing recommends that nations invest in infrastructure for the disables so they can go to work and live like any other person. It go towards ending stigma. You know, which is a good thing.

In the future, however, we would gladly support a clearer version of this resolution, and would suggest an option allowing for the contracting of privatized systems of care and education for the disabled through government provided incentive, which would lessen the overall cost on governments while boosting a nation's economy by supporting its own privately owned corporations.

The proposal doesn't dictate how the benefits are doled out or, indeed, what constitutes benefits, which many Ambassadors are overlooking. Provided they meet the strict criteria, each nation is free to determine these itself.

[Mahopac]

"Do to the negative effects on the Mahopac economy as of result of the "Organ and Blood Donations Act", and the fear that this will do the same, I have decided to vote AGAINST this resolution."

[Linux and the X]

[quote="Calzonia";p="7961944]The real one you retard.[/quote]
Surely you misspoke. It would be quite absurd if you actually intended to call someone a "retard" pejoratively while discussing disabilities. If you did, well, you offered to resign. Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.

[Sanctaria]

The real one you retard.

Surely you misspoke. It would be quite absurd if you actually intended to call someone a "retard" pejoratively while discussing disabilities. If you did, well, you offered to resign. Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out.

I didn't notice that, Ambassador. Well spotted!

[7th Wonderland]

This bill is an extraneous piece of legislation as it leaves to each individual piece of legislature the task of determining who is permanently disabled and who is not. With or without government mandated programs, civilized societies can provide for their disabled members whether through welfare or alternative employment options. The current wording of this act makes it an unnecessary fluff and a more forceful version would make it an insane one. 7th Wonderland is forced to vote against this piece of legislation in favor of those individuals and parties that desire a minimalist civic society, cutting down on corruption and other inefficiency. We ask that others find the wise council in their own societies to do the same.

[Ironmacedonia]

The great nation of Ironmacedonia disagrees with this proposition to some extent. A person may have a disability from fighting for the great nation of Ironmacedonia in a war, or it may be a disability due to the individuals own irresponsible behaviour. Thus, a man whom has lost his leg in a battle for our great nation should be entitled to some degree of benefits, however, an idiot who lost an arm "tomb-stoning" would only be entitled to basic medical care to ensure his survival.

In other words, if it is your fault, then you must deal with the consequences. This should also act as a deterrent for further irresponsible acts.

[Het woasland]

Oh look, a resolution to force all member states of the World Assembly to become communistic crap-holes.

Voting Against.

[Stoner Republic]

I love how democracy is nowadays considered almost an equivalent of fascism.
NO! We ARE democratic - we are not communists, but DEMO CRATIC means "people-ruling", not "rich schmucks ruling".
And when you say that crippled people just need to go die - this isn't democratic, it's just stupidly evil.

[The Eternal Kawaii]

In the Name of the Eternal Kawaii, may the Cute One be praised

While our nation agrees with the premise that people with disabilities should not be denied the chance to work because of them, we are skeptical that this proposal will work as intended. The authors have stated that this is a complicated subject. Too complicated, we believe, to be properly covered in a single resolution. We believe this issue would be better addressed at the national level, rather than having the WA shoehorn in a single solution that may not be financially viable for some member states.

[Moronist Decisions]

The Lion in Council believes that while there is an opportunity for abuse, this is genuinely designed only to help those who are completely unemployable - and believes further that this will only protect those who are at the extremes of unemployability - of whom there will not be enough to break the bank. We therefore support this resolution.

Jane Crick
Alternate Member of the Council of Morons
Minister of Foreign Affairs
Chief Representative to the World Assembly