NationStates

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 9:28 am**

Article d(ii) added to clarify that "requirement[s] for any person to engage in reasonable physical activity that does not harm any other person as a condition of their being employed at any institution or a student at any primary or secondary school..." are not curtailed or pre-empted by this resolution.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 9:42 am**

The Pan-Asiatic States believes that corporal punishment, especially against those who are a drain on society and criminals, is an effective means of administering reform. We do not sanction this proposed resolution.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 10:22 am**

Pan-Asiatic States wrote:The Pan-Asiatic States believes that corporal punishment, especially against those who are a drain on society and criminals, is an effective means of administering reform. We do not sanction this proposed resolution.

Vyn Nysen: "If only your sanctioning actually meant something, other than an empty gesture of disapproval. Corporal punishment has never been, nor will ever be an effective method of enforcing reform. It inspires only resentment which is exactly the opposite of what one would want to entice, namely reform. Force is the tool of those who lack the strength to convince, Ambassador."

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 10:35 am**

Daarwyrth wrote:
Pan-Asiatic States wrote:The Pan-Asiatic States believes that corporal punishment, especially against those who are a drain on society and criminals, is an effective means of administering reform. We do not sanction this proposed resolution.

Vyn Nysen: "If only your sanctioning actually meant something, other than an empty gesture of disapproval. Corporal punishment has never been, nor will ever be an effective method of enforcing reform. It inspires only resentment which is exactly the opposite of what one would want to entice, namely reform. Force is the tool of those who lack the strength to convince, Ambassador."

Quite the contrary, Your Excellency. It instills fear of government among the people, and that is much more convincing than any platitude we could offer—not because we lack such skills to do so, but because for many it is the only language they speak. After all, let's not forget, law-abiding citizens have nothing to fear of this policy. Only dangerous psychopaths and criminals, true drains on society, should rightfully fear corporal punishment. And in our country, they do.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 10:41 am**

Pan-Asiatic States wrote:
Daarwyrth wrote:Vyn Nysen: "If only your sanctioning actually meant something, other than an empty gesture of disapproval. Corporal punishment has never been, nor will ever be an effective method of enforcing reform. It inspires only resentment which is exactly the opposite of what one would want to entice, namely reform. Force is the tool of those who lack the strength to convince, Ambassador."

Quite the contrary, Your Excellency. It instills fear of government among the people, and that is much more convincing than any platitude we could offer—not because we lack such skills to do so, but because for many it is the only language they speak. After all, let's not forget, law-abiding citizens have nothing to fear of this policy. Only dangerous psychopaths and criminals, true drains on society, should rightfully fear corporal punishment. And in our country, they do.

Vyn Nysen: "Fate willing your citizens won't have to fear such for long. If this resolution passes, your nation will be forced to comply, should you choose to remain in the World Assembly."

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 10:45 am**

Daarwyrth wrote:
Pan-Asiatic States wrote:
Quite the contrary, Your Excellency. It instills fear of government among the people, and that is much more convincing than any platitude we could offer—not because we lack such skills to do so, but because for many it is the only language they speak. After all, let's not forget, law-abiding citizens have nothing to fear of this policy. Only dangerous psychopaths and criminals, true drains on society, should rightfully fear corporal punishment. And in our country, they do.

Vyn Nysen: "Fate willing your citizens won't have to fear such for long. If this resolution passes, your nation will be forced to comply, should you choose to remain in the World Assembly."

With all due respect, Your Excellency, we do not endow criminals with the same rights and privileges as that of our citizens. It is abhorrent that the instillment of fright among violators of the law is even considered a contentious political opinion in this assembly.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 10:51 am**

Pan-Asiatic States wrote:
Daarwyrth wrote:Vyn Nysen: "Fate willing your citizens won't have to fear such for long. If this resolution passes, your nation will be forced to comply, should you choose to remain in the World Assembly."

With all due respect, Your Excellency, we do not endow criminals with the same rights and privileges as that of our citizens. It is abhorrent that the instillment of fright among violators of the law is even considered a contentious political opinion in this assembly.

Vyn Nysen: "You cannot condemn other nations for being more progressive in their thinking than you are, Ambassador. Such a condemnation only reflects badly on your nation for its lack of broad perspectives, not the rest of this international community."

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 11:22 am**

Daarwyrth wrote:
Pan-Asiatic States wrote:
With all due respect, Your Excellency, we do not endow criminals with the same rights and privileges as that of our citizens. It is abhorrent that the instillment of fright among violators of the law is even considered a contentious political opinion in this assembly.

Vyn Nysen: "You cannot condemn other nations for being more progressive in their thinking than you are, Ambassador. Such a condemnation only reflects badly on your nation for its lack of broad perspectives, not the rest of this international community."

Such a condemnation reflects only that we value the spirit of national stability, peace, and the rule of law in our country. If these are not things that the state you represent upholds, then perhaps your people should look to other states for leadership. Indeed, who can argue against such ideals?

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 11:55 am**

McTernan: What, is my thing that good or what that people aren't really arguing about what it actually says now?

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 12:00 pm**

Pan-Asiatic States wrote:
Daarwyrth wrote:Vyn Nysen: "You cannot condemn other nations for being more progressive in their thinking than you are, Ambassador. Such a condemnation only reflects badly on your nation for its lack of broad perspectives, not the rest of this international community."

Such a condemnation reflects only that we value the spirit of national stability, peace, and the rule of law in our country. If these are not things that the state you represent upholds, then perhaps your people should look to other states for leadership. Indeed, who can argue against such ideals?

Vyn Nysen: "Ambassador, it seems diplomatic tact and skill have utterly abandoned you, for these insults you lay at the door of my delegation and nation speak of your incompetence at the craft of diplomacy. You have no idea what the ideals of my nation are, what values our society upholds, and yet you presume to tell me and my nation what to do? Do you expect this to foster goodwill from other nations? Because I assure you that you are currently digging yourself into a hole it will be difficult to climb out of.

Crime is virtually non-existent within Daarwyrth because of significant state investment in social policies and welfare, which are by far a more efficient approach to eliminate crime than fear will ever be. Our approach tackles the root of the problem, your approach of fear only tackles the symptoms. If you fail to see that, or refuse to see that, that is your problem and not mine. Yet laying baseless insults at the feet of my delegation and nation will not foster you diplomatic goodwill or respect, Ambassador.

And that is the last thing we will say on this subject, as we don't wish to divert the focus from this proposal draft any further."

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 12:02 pm**

I strongly oppose this proposal.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 5:07 pm**

Deacarsia wrote:I strongly oppose this proposal.

Thank you for seeing reason.

Posted: **Tue May 25, 2021 6:14 pm**

My focus group is broadly supportive of Article d as written - although one concern has led me to add an extra exemption at the end of Article d(i) - and have no thoughts as to Article a (or any other Article).

With that in mind, I will likely go ahead with submission no later than 5pm BST on Thursday (maybe earlier).

Posted: **Wed May 26, 2021 9:02 am**

And we are Proposal-A-Go-Go, of course

Posted: **Wed May 26, 2021 9:04 am**

Tinhampton wrote:And we are Proposal-A-Go-Go, of course

Vyn Nysen: "Fortune of the Seas to you, Delegate-Ambassador. We hope this proposal will achieve quorum swiftly, and be passed during the vote."

Posted: **Wed May 26, 2021 5:10 pm**

McTernan: Oh yes, Dame Maria Whatsherface, this one did actually get to vote in eight hours! And well before my Alex Smith-mandated bedtime, too...

AS OF 0110 BST ON THURSDAY: Approvals: 61 out of 61 needed (Tinhampton, TESDAI, Creator Land, Roma Sparta, Our lord Hot Pocket, So Pep, Floyssauu, Zukchiva, You Should See Me in a Crown, LollerLand, Novum Orientis, Momma Ayu, Greater Cesnica, Benderk, Stedinia, Baloo Kingdom, Timmy City, The Socialist Republic of Alaska, Ospeia, Mikeswill, Aubistan, Germany from nondescript period of time, New Technocratic Prussia, Bearded Dragones, Noble Titans, Orca and Narwhal, Yuapian, Rhode 1sland, Baden-Wurttemburg, Zatchbell548, Calamari Lands, Sedgistan, New Bismuthium, OF Courscant, For The worlds of the midrim, Karine, New Alentejo, Agalaesia, Spectral Empire, Birb Bois United Front, West Selania, Imperiya Snezhnaya, The Syndicate arnarcist, New Wolvers, Libonesia, Zarnath 2, Candensia, South Boston Irishmen, Felistia, The Anarchist Federation of Spain, Wischland, Scakulever, Sufferlandia, Zombiedolphins, Wadelhelpia, Meshakhad, Fritzentein, Paleocacher, Zamastan, Grey County, Narvatus)

Alexander Smith, Tinhamptonian Delegate-Ambassador to the World Assembly, about five minutes later: Contrary to what Jimmy said earlier, I trust my ambassadors to manage their own sleep schedules. This proposal was brought to quorum, one-third in part to a concerted lobbying effort and two-thirds in part to the following campaign telegram that the understudy sent without a personal signature for some reason:

Greetings, Delegate. I politely ask for your approval of my Corporal Punishment Ban.

My proposal will require member states to forbid corporal punishment in all circumstances. It will require schools to teach about how corporal punishment is illegal.

It will not ban military training or PE lessons in schools. Likewise, it will not stop your nation's police officers from defending themselves or doing their job effectively.

I hope that this telegram has given you a good idea of what my Corporal Punishment Ban will do, and what it will not do. I also hope that you find it to be sensible and worthy of your approval.

Thank you,
The Self-Administrative City of Tinhampton

Posted: **Wed May 26, 2021 9:32 pm**

The Pan-Asiatic States laments the Corporal Punishment Ban proposal reaching quorum, and hopes that the sovereignty-loving peoples of the World Assembly will stand together in solidarity to oppose it.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 2:27 pm**

Pan-Asiatic States wrote:The Pan-Asiatic States laments the Corporal Punishment Ban proposal reaching quorum, and hopes that the sovereignty-loving peoples of the World Assembly will stand together in solidarity to oppose it.

“With all due respect, Ambassador, I’m afraid the majority of us no longer live in the dark ages when it comes to such issues. We are a very religious nation, so that should say something when we realize that the effective and trustworthy scientific studies have shown that corporal punishment has a purely negative effect on people’s psyche.”

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 4:18 pm**

Eh, our delegation wishes to ask but a simple question: will this soon-to-be resolution outlaw corporate punishment when it’s done with the consent of the punished? You see- in our colonial prisons we, sometimes, offer prisoners a chance not to go to solitary for misconduct, instead they either have to do some additional work or suffer from corporal punishment. Don’t worry- the methods are completely harmless to ones physical health though...

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 4:20 pm**

Is there some competition to see who can have the most obnoxious thread tags?

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 4:54 pm**

Gruenberg wrote:Is there some competition to see who can have the most obnoxious thread tags?

Sadly - or perhaps happily - not

RE LS: I don't see the point in consensual corporal punishment =P

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 6:38 pm**

Tinhampton wrote:
Gruenberg wrote:Is there some competition to see who can have the most obnoxious thread tags?

Sadly - or perhaps happily - not

RE LS: I don't see the point in consensual corporal punishment =P

OOC: L.S' example of corporal punishment is certainly not consensual. The overtones of coercion render it nonconsensual.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 6:43 pm**

Tinhampton wrote:
Gruenberg wrote:Is there some competition to see who can have the most obnoxious thread tags?

Sadly - or perhaps happily - not

RE LS: I don't see the point in consensual corporal punishment =P

Well, people have their interests. But in all seriousness, I could see inmates deciding to undergo Corporal Punishment to avoid solitary confinement, considering how crappy it usually is.

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 6:44 pm**

South Americanastan wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:Sadly - or perhaps happily - not

RE LS: I don't see the point in consensual corporal punishment =P

Well, people have their interests. But in all seriousness, I could see inmates deciding to undergo Corporal Punishment to avoid solitary confinement, considering how crappy it usually is.

"Solitary? That's curious. I wrote a resolution that all but prohibits it."

Posted: **Thu May 27, 2021 6:47 pm**

Greater Cesnica wrote:
South Americanastan wrote:Well, people have their interests. But in all seriousness, I could see inmates deciding to undergo Corporal Punishment to avoid solitary confinement, considering how crappy it usually is.

"Solitary? That's curious. I wrote a resolution that all but prohibits it."

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Eh, our delegation wishes to ask but a simple question: will this soon-to-be resolution outlaw corporate punishment when it’s done with the consent of the punished? You see- in our colonial prisons we, sometimes, offer prisoners a chance not to go to solitary for misconduct, instead they either have to do some additional work or suffer from corporal punishment. Don’t worry- the methods are completely harmless to ones physical health though...

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