[DEFEATED] Commend Mahaj

[The Iron Rebel]

These proposals are getting ridiculous, I mean they are annoying, highly unnecessary. Kind of seems like Cormac is just desperate to pass one for attention, since the split personality Cormac vs Rainbow thing backfired.

[RiderSyl]

And reminding her of that is unnecessary and annoying, Cormac

Honestly, Quilor, what did you expect?

[Tim-Opolis]

And reminding her of that is unnecessary and annoying, Cormac

Honestly, Quilor, what did you expect?

Honestly, Syl, when are you going to stop following Cormac around in threads to make snide remarks.

[KaelThas Quilor]

When it stops being fun for him? I dunno.

[Consular]

So this is postponed now then?

[Ynys Prydain]

So this is postponed now then?

All of my drafts are postponed for submission for a week or two. I've just campaigned for two repeals and counter-campaigned a commendation; I would prefer to give Delegates a little bit of time to forget how sick they probably are of hearing from me before hearing from me again.

I'm still planning to pursue all proposals marked as postponed, eventually, though, albeit on an undetermined timetable, and people are free to continue commenting. I just wanted to be clear that none of these will be submitted anytime in the immediate future.

[RiderSyl]

Honestly, Syl, when are you going to stop following Cormac around in threads to make snide remarks.

He participates in the Gameplay forum, and the Security Council forum when it interests him.
I participate in Gameplay forum, and the Security Council forum when it interests me.
We don't like each other.
I post unfriendly remarks to him in the threads we both end up clicking on.
"Syl, stop following Cormac around!"

Honestly Tim, no.

[Consular]

So this is postponed now then?

All of my drafts are postponed for submission for a week or two. I've just campaigned for two repeals and counter-campaigned a commendation; I would prefer to give Delegates a little bit of time to forget how sick they probably are of hearing from me before hearing from me again.

I'm still planning to pursue all proposals marked as postponed, eventually, though, albeit on an undetermined timetable, and people are free to continue commenting. I just wanted to be clear that none of these will be submitted anytime in the immediate future.

*nods* That makes sense. Spam their inboxes too much and they'll vote against you just out of spite.

[Ramaeus]

*nods* That makes sense. Spam their inboxes too much and they'll vote against you just out of spite.

It depends on the account used for each mass-telegram, the content of the telegrams, and a few other factors.

[Chester Pearson]

*nods* That makes sense. Spam their inboxes too much and they'll vote against you just out of spite.

It depends on the account used for each mass-telegram, the content of the telegrams, and a few other factors.

And how many hidden puppets one has....

[Goddess Relief Office]

I'm not commenting on gameplay aspects since there are better people than I to give their 2 cents.

I'll only touch on the resolutions you mentioned on the proposal. I have to say, no offense to Mahaj, the majority of his resolutions are not of high quality. He did a lot of them, that's true, but quantity does not trump quality.

[Drop Your Pants]

I believe Mahaj is a worthy defender, as do several others who have commented in this thread.

I can find Tim and Topid supporting it, a random UDL member arguing morals with Syl and the short essay from Bruce. I miss anyone agreeing that Mahaj is a worthy defender?

[Ynys Prydain]

I believe Mahaj is a worthy defender, as do several others who have commented in this thread.

I can find Tim and Topid supporting it, a random UDL member arguing morals with Syl and the short essay from Bruce. I miss anyone agreeing that Mahaj is a worthy defender?

Who would you prefer that I commend? You? No.

I'm not commending Mahaj for being "a worthy defender" anyway. As others have noted, commending someone just for defending isn't sufficient.

[Solorni]

Why isn't Dyp commend worthy?

[Ynys Prydain]

Why isn't Dyp commend worthy?

He may be worthy of commendation, but I'm not personally interested in commending him. I could vote for someone else's proposal to commend him, potentially, but it's not something I personally feel the need to author.

[Drop Your Pants]

Why isn't Dyp commend worthy?

Because i'm not a high ranking defender, all i do is chase TBR and yell abuse at my colleagues for being useless I'll take a condemn though.

[Solorni]

You were delegate of Lazarus though

[Evil Wolf]

You were delegate of Lazarus though

Pffft, like that's something anyone would put in a Commend.

*trollface*

[Drop Your Pants]

You were delegate of Lazarus though

Another good reason to condemn me

[Great Brigantia]

"The Royal Commonwealth of Great Brigantia is pleased to announce that we will be taking up this draft," says Quinton Grayson, Secretary of World Assembly Affairs, a cup of coffee in one hand and The Miniluv Messenger in the other. "Our delegation will be submitting this draft to the Security Council Commendation Board sometime in the next few days. In the meantime, we would appreciate constructive suggestions from other delegations."

[Zaolat]

I may disagree with Mahaj getting a commend, but good luck bud.

[Benevolent Thomas]

Cormac, this is a lucid, well thought-out, intelligent commendation.

AGAINST

I just can't do it. Not to be "that guy" but Mahaj is a name that has become synonymous with incompetency. Yes, he has a lot of SC proposals under his belt. Yes, he was a member of the UDL's hierarchy. Yes, he's had roles in the GCRs. But that does not mean that there is any quality to this quantity of "achievement". His SC resolutions are meh (written that is. Some of them are of actual importance), his tenure as UDL's CotB was one of the organization's decline, and I can't recall Mahaj being integral to any GCR community (although I wouldn't count that as noteworthy anyways. How is being a big shot in Osiris any more special than being important to a region such as Europeia or Taijitu?).

Don't hate me Mahaj. I like you, I just don't think you're commend worthy.

[Ambroscus Koth]

"The Royal Commonwealth of Great Brigantia is pleased to announce that we will be taking up this draft," says Quinton Grayson, Secretary of World Assembly Affairs, a cup of coffee in one hand and The Miniluv Messenger in the other. "Our delegation will be submitting this draft to the Security Council Commendation Board sometime in the next few days. In the meantime, we would appreciate constructive suggestions from other delegations."

Ambroscus Koth slides into the room, snatching a copy of the draft in question on the way to his seat...

"Ah...so you're the new ambassador from Cormac's administration, eh? Quinton, Quinton, I'm sure we'll get along fine. So about this here proposal!" Koth slammed the paper down onto the table and sat dangerously far back in his chair, slowly stroking his beard as he thought over his words.

"The State of Mahaj has been a thorn in my side for years, they have...always mucking around in our invasion plans. Alas! I knew a day would come where someone would seriously attempt to commend that damned Capitals-loving administration, and by god is this draft a piece of art. Don't think I missed that 'swiftly' reference either...SC#95 was one hell of a ride," Koth rambled as be began chuckling at the memory of Liberate Christmas. Oh, the good ol' days...

"In any case, there's a few things I don't really like here. First and foremost is the part about his contributions to Osiris. Sure, he was definitely THERE, and he was loyal and did some work...but hardly enough to throw into a commendation. Call me back when he does some ASBS tier shit, ya know? Now that's what I call padding!" Koth took a long drink from his mug of coffee, emptying it with frightening speed. He shook his head and continued,

"Blegh, the UDL. Hate seeing that joke of an organization show up in proposals. Of course the organization improved relations during his administration...the org no longer had a Unibot-sized anchor holding it down in the foreign affairs department! I hardly think Mahaj through his own force of personality achieved that. Let's not forget that the UDL nosedived in activity and pretty much became even more of a joke than it already was once he took over. Wasn't he pretty inactive for most of his tenure as Chief as well? Tsk tsk..." Koth cleared his throat and scribbled something down on his copy of the draft before continuing,

"And finally, his resolutions. I'll have you know that I still, to this very day, custom order toilet paper to have miniature copies of Liberate Christmas on each sheet. That's how much I think of the quality of most of his work. Typos, weak arguments, hasty writing, generally not the best this esteemed body has ever passed...but that's really as far as my opinion goes on this proposal. Honestly, I think it has a good chance of passing, but after all that nation has put my people through, I doubt I can vote for it in good faith, Ambassador Grayson."

EDIT: typos are fun

[Great Brigantia]

Quinton Grayson clears his throat and loosens his tie, taking a sip of a clear liquid that ambassadors should assume is water. "Lots to get through here. Right, let's get to it..."

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I'm going to respond to both of you with the same comments, as you make very similar points.

I don't think Mahaj's Security Council resolutions can be dismissed as "meh." Some are of higher quality than others, but the resolutions that are arguably of lesser quality are the liberation resolutions. Only so much can go into liberation resolutions; the situations are usually very similar, and there isn't much that is new or interesting to say about raiders imposing a password on a region they've been occupying. What's important about liberation resolutions is getting the job done before it's too late, and Mahaj has delivered in that regard.

Regarding the UDL's decline, that decline began the moment Unibot resigned as Chief of the Band. I say this not to place blame on Unibot, but rather to point out the unique role Unibot played in the UDL's operation. Unibot essentially did the work of an entire regional government. Very few people can take up that level of responsibility. After Unibot resigned, the absurdly long Conclave process -- which was designed by Solm, not by Mahaj -- left the UDL without a leader for months, during which many UDL members just faded away. By the time Mahaj was elected Chief of the Band, the UDL had already significantly declined. Another way to look at it, than what you've proposed, is that it's remarkable the UDL didn't completely collapse and disband after Unibot's resignation. I think that's the more accurate way to look at it and I think Mahaj deserves the credit for holding things together during, undoubtedly, the most difficult period in the UDL's history.

Finally, regarding Mahaj's participation in Osiris, I don't think it is anymore significant than participation in a region like Europeia or Taijitu. There have been others that have been commended for participation in Feeder and Sinker regions, as well as other regions. There's no question to those that also participated in Osiris during Mahaj's tenure there, particularly in the region's earlier history, that Mahaj's contributions were significant and demonstrated dedication to the community. That is as valuable in Mahaj's case as it was in the cases of, for example, Eluvatar, Mcmasterdonia, Astarial, etc.

[Drop Your Pants]

implemented important reforms in the way the UDL engaged with the most prominent regional communities in the world

He certainly did, and not all for the best.