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Postby Isabella van der Feltz » Sun Dec 17, 2023 9:53 pm


General Assembly Vote Recommendation

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Resolution at Vote: Repeal: "The Charter Of Civil Rights"
Vote Recommendation: For


Resolution Analysis

Overview

This proposal seeks to strike out General Assembly Resolution # 35 "The Charter Of Civil Rights". It further recognises provisions of later General Assembly resolutions, such as "Convention Against Genocide" and "Defending the Rights of Sexual and Gender Minorities", which establish strong protections against discrimination of minority groups. While this proposal may sound like it has an anti-human rights motive, it in fact criticises the target resolution's weakness in protecting against discrimination, in comparison to the aforementioned later resolutions.

Firstly, the repeal proposal notes that the target resolution's Article 1C allows World Assembly member nations to discriminate should it be required for "compelling practical purposes". The repeal proposal acknowledges that this provision could lead to WA member nations unfairly discriminating against many persons for weak and unjustified reasons. Secondly, the repeal proposal criticises the supposedly unclear standard of "unfair and unreasonable" in the target resolution's Article 2A. And finally, the repeal proposal recognises the proposed replacements for "The Charter Of Civil Rights" - by acknowledging that any of GA#35's intended effects could, in fact, be easily replaced simply by reinstating the protections against discrimination based on protected characteristics.

Recommendation

This proposal presents a strong argument for the repeal of the target resolution. GA#35 is an unneeded piece of legislation which is far more problematic than it should be - that is to say, it contains multiple loopholes and weak provisions which could, in fact, make it easier to discriminate than what was the resolution's original motive. We also firmly believe that the proposed replacement(s) presents a much more fervent stance on discrimination, in comparison to the repeal target.

For the above reasons, the Ministry of World Assembly Affairs recommends a vote For the General Assembly Resolution At Vote, Repeal: "The Charter Of Civil Rights".

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Postby Juansonia » Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:31 am

"Opposed on the grounds of no necessity. The 'flaws' with GA#35 can be addressed by separate, noncontradictory measures."

- LTC Maria-Fernanda Novo, WA Ambassador for the Armed Republic of Juansonia
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Postby Osheaga » Mon Dec 18, 2023 10:51 am

A foundational piece of legislation such as a Charter of Civil Rights simply should not be thrown away without a proper replacement in place, and piecemeal resolutions cannot take its place. Without a new Charter being issued first or as replacement, the Community of Osheaga categorically opposes this resolution and encourages all others to do the same.

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Postby Unibot III » Mon Dec 18, 2023 11:59 am

Ard Van Haldron rose to address a tiny, lunch-time audience. He reckoned a school field trip made up about half the assembly this afternoon - albeit better behaved than usual.

“We rise in opposition to today’s repeal,” said Ambassador Van Haldron. “We are of the opinion that any international anti-discrimination framework will require some sort of mitigating clause to allow the reasonable practice of government to proceed. Nor is it desirable for legislation to state with any such exclusivity what this mitigating clause may or may not imply - it’s better to address these questions on a one-on-one basis with additional legislation as the CoCR anticipated. The work of government reasonably requires some level of justifiable discrimination to operate: it’s how we decide which parents receive child benefits and which ones do not qualify, for instance… it’s also how we decide who is eligible for employment insurance and who is not - and how much they are entitled to, it’s how we decide which immigration applicants to approve and which to reject. These decisions and many more require categorizations which may appear, under the law, to be reductive and even arbitrary - but they are necessary decisions that cannot be made without some level of reduction.”

“We would have preferred that a repeal have focused on the “inhabitant of a member-state” language as this is the more critical issue with the CoCR: the CoCR only preserves the equal rights of those currently inhabiting a member-state. It ignores the rights of ex-pats or someone travelling temporarily outside of the country. For instance, some WA countries could place a head tax at customs on citizens of particular ethnicities if they are returning from outside of the WA. This appears to our delegation as a much more fundamental problem with the CoCR which has been underappreciated in years previous, despite criticism from immigration experts.”
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Postby Honeydewistania » Mon Dec 18, 2023 12:04 pm

Juansonia wrote:"Opposed on the grounds of no necessity. The 'flaws' with GA#35 can be addressed by separate, noncontradictory measures."

- LTC Maria-Fernanda Novo, WA Ambassador for the Armed Republic of Juansonia

In full agreement. Additionally, the argument that vital civil rights acts would be defeated due to the presence of this blanket legislation for 'feel good' mandates is an absolute exaggeration.
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Postby Imperium Anglorum » Mon Dec 18, 2023 12:38 pm

Juansonia wrote:"Opposed on the grounds of no necessity. The 'flaws' with GA#35 can be addressed by separate, noncontradictory measures."

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Juansonia wrote:"Opposed on the grounds of no necessity. The 'flaws' with GA#35 can be addressed by separate, noncontradictory measures."

In full agreement. Additionally, the argument that vital civil rights acts would be defeated due to the presence of this blanket legislation for 'feel good' mandates is an absolute exaggeration.

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Postby Kenmoria » Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:05 pm

Repeal "The Charter of Civil Rights" was passed 8,974 votes to 3,168.


(OOC: I never thought that I would see the day when CoCR was repealed. Congratulations, Mage. This is something of which to be proud.)
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Postby Juansonia » Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:20 pm

"This assembly's obsession with perfection has removed all room for nuance and precaution. Voter trends so strongly in favor of repealing GA#35 - without any sufficient replacement written, let alone in effect - indicate that membership was a failed experiment. Juansonia's withdrawal is in effect, supplies are being packed as I speak. Farewell."
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Postby Kenmoria » Thu Dec 21, 2023 10:26 pm

Ambassador Fortier stands to speak. “I sure that I speak with many colleagues in thanking her Excellency Ambassador Novo for her Excellency’s insightful commentary in these most hallowed halls. Though I regret seeing the Armed Republic of Juansonia depart from this Assembly, I extend, as always, the hand of the People’s Republic of Kenmoria in friendship thereunto.”

“I also wish to congratulate this Assembly, and in particular the honourable delegation for the Communal Union of the Ice States, on passing this necessary repeal. For too long have rogue member-nations been allowed to wantonly exploit the generous wording of the Charter of Civil Rights for nefarious purposes. Now, with this repeal, the path is opened to stronger international legislation, for the benefit of the international population.”
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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Fri Dec 22, 2023 10:33 am

The clause in question was intended for historically black or women's colleges, or programs for people subject to family abuse. You people really are idiots.
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Postby Kenmoria » Fri Dec 22, 2023 10:37 am

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:The clause in question was intended for historically black or women's colleges, or programs for people subject to family abuse. You people really are idiots.

(OOC: I have no doubt that everyone here knew why the clause was in place, and I don’t think that anyone disagreed with those exceptions. The repeal was against the fact that what constitutes a “compelling, practical purpose” can include far less worthy examples, dependent on whatever a member-nation regards as compelling and practical.)
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Postby Omigodtheykilledkenny » Fri Dec 22, 2023 11:38 am

The resolution never included any parts forbidding the GA from modifying that right in future resolutions. Some author just got bored and wanted to write their own civil rights law.


Also, as a GA Secretariat member, I would think you'd be a bit less partial here. Guess I was wrong
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Postby Crazy girl » Fri Dec 22, 2023 11:52 am

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:You people really are idiots.


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Postby Kenmoria » Fri Dec 22, 2023 12:05 pm

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:Also, as a GA Secretariat member, I would think you'd be a bit less partial here. Guess I was wrong

(OOC: GenSec are still allowed to play the game, including directly passing resolutions. I am not aware of any rule preventing us from commenting on repeals.)
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Postby Juansonia » Fri Dec 22, 2023 12:57 pm

Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:The resolution never included any parts forbidding the GA from modifying that right in future resolutions. Some author just got bored and wanted to write their own civil rights law.
OOC: It's almost like most WA Authors assume that it's their duty to ignore the fact that repeal-and-replace includes a limbo period where the replacement is not in effect and can easily fail.
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Postby Urgench » Sat Jan 06, 2024 5:56 pm

OOC: Damn this is notalgic. It's been a decade since Mongkha Khan haunted these halls and argued with everyone in the most patronising tone possible while championing the CoCR's fundamental aims. Anyway it looks like the CoCR lasted a long time on the books. Fun times were had. Congrats to the repeal author. See you around.
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Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:You people really are idiots.


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Postby The Ice States » Sat Jan 06, 2024 7:51 pm

Urgench wrote:OOC: Damn this is notalgic. its been a decade since Mongkha Khan haunted these halls and argued with everyone in the most patronising tone possible while championing the CoCR's fundamental aims. Anyway it looks like the CoCR lasted a long time on the books. Fun times were had. Congrats to the repeal author. See you around.

Ooc: Definitely did not expect to see you return for this, but welcome back!
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Postby Urgench » Sun Jan 07, 2024 7:41 am

The Ice States wrote:
Urgench wrote:OOC: Damn this is notalgic. its been a decade since Mongkha Khan haunted these halls and argued with everyone in the most patronising tone possible while championing the CoCR's fundamental aims. Anyway it looks like the CoCR lasted a long time on the books. Fun times were had. Congrats to the repeal author. See you around.

Ooc: Definitely did not expect to see you return for this, but welcome back!



OOC: Thanks! And in the spirit of remembering teh good old days I should say I don't think this repeal would have had much merit under what I can only assume must now be defunct gameplay conventions. But from what I can tell the CoCR was one of the most cited resolutions ever passed, and therefore must have impacted the development of WA law from 2009 till 2023 so a sneaky repeal of it using lines of reasoning the old WA would likely have laughed at is a significant achievement for which you should be commended. We had respect for that sort of hustle around here back in the day.
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Postby Yelda » Sun Jan 07, 2024 8:33 am

Crazy girl wrote:
Omigodtheykilledkenny wrote:You people really are idiots.


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But they actually are idiots.

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Postby Crazy girl » Sun Jan 07, 2024 9:40 am

Yelda wrote:
Crazy girl wrote:
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But they actually are idiots.


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